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[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Davie McG wrote...

That's why being a serial killer is illegal.

No, being a serial killer was illegal long before the concept of "human rights" was invented. So there is no connection.
 messy things do begin happening to me.

I reserve the right to not be serial killed:bandit:

[Davie McG]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Davie McG wrote...


To be fair I always wondered why they didn't reverse engineer it before activating it and ending up Lord knows where, could have fired us into an exploding star for all we knew. Would have been better to reverse engineer it then decide for ourselfs where we want to relay jump to.

What if instead of the Council on the other side of the relay it was a batarian empire? Or the rachni? Or a krogan empire? Or the turian Hierarchy unrestricted by the Council?

We'd be extinct or somebody's client race in no time.

The Rachni were extinct when we activated the relay, but all your other point are fair, it would have still been a massive risk to activate it.

[SandTrout]

The entire concept of not opening unmapped relays as a means of preventing another Rachni War is patently idiotic.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Davie McG wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Davie McG wrote...


To be fair I always wondered why they didn't reverse engineer it before activating it and ending up Lord knows where, could have fired us into an exploding star for all we knew. Would have been better to reverse engineer it then decide for ourselfs where we want to relay jump to.

What if instead of the Council on the other side of the relay it was a batarian empire? Or the rachni? Or a krogan empire? Or the turian Hierarchy unrestricted by the Council?

We'd be extinct or somebody's client race in no time.

The Rachni were extinct when we activated the relay, but all your other point are fair, it would have still been a massive risk to activate it.

"I wonder what this glowing thing DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOES.
o...kay faster then light,awesome.

[ThePwener]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

"You humans don't prepare like turians,not as much discipline"

"Prepare as much" ? Im sorry, but after playing ME1 - 2 I laugh at that.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

SandTrout wrote...

The entire concept of not opening unmapped relays as a means of preventing another Rachni War is patently idiotic.

Indeed,what would stop the [Insert Rachni subsititute] from hitting the relay,if anything you would want to hit all the relays,because if the species isn't advanced enough to use the relays you can snuff them out before they become a threat,or make nice with them before they become a problem.

[Someone With Mass]

ThePwener wrote...
Guess what? The aliens did exactly that before the Rachni. Humanity was knew, holding it over them is naive and close minded.

Guess why they outlawed the activation of unmapped relays to begin with.

And I think they would rather take the death of a few humans over potentially unleashing another threat like the rachni upon the galaxy.

Because you know what? You don't have to open up every single relay there is.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

ThePwener wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

"You humans don't prepare like turians,not as much discipline"

"Prepare as much" ? Im sorry, but after playing ME1 - 2 I laugh at that.

Was paraphrasing Garrus.

[Zulu_DFA]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

I reserve the right to not be serial killed[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/bandit.png[/smilie]

Serial killers don't care. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie]

[SandTrout]

Since Saphra apparently ignored my extensive post explaining why the Council's Mapped Relay policy is stupid, I'll repost:

Someone With Mass wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

Shows how evil the Turians really are with being cool on attacking a new alien race and then going to war with them when they fight back. That doesn't help your case.

Maybe they should've given the rachni a chance to attack them some more too.

Humanity was stupid enough to open up a relay they had no idea of where it was going or what was on the other side. That's why the turians attacked.

Stupidity is outdoing "evil" by quite a lot.

That is an inaccurate analysis of the actual danger regarding opening up relays. The stupidity is to think that not opening up your end of the relay because the other side is unmapped will stop an alien invasion. Since it's possible to open up an unmapped relay pair, that inherently means that your relay can be activated from the other side regardless of whatever laws the Citadel has in place. The Rachni could have opened up access to Citadel space just as easily from their side.

The best that leaving an unmapped relay pair deactivated from your side does is delay the inevitable, and probably by not all that long. If you make contact in a Relay system, and the inhabbitants are expansionistic like the Rachni, then they were very likely to be close to opening up the relay from their end as well. And since you don't know what's on the other side of the relay, the delay is not providing you time to prepare for it. You cannot prepare for an unknown.

The functional effect of the restriction on opening up unmapped realys is only the restriction of expansion by younger nations such as the Alliance, Elcor, Volus, and Hanar. The Big Three have more than enough colonies as it is, as well as the resources to actually scout out new Relays. The Relay restictions are only a means to kneecap the Council's competitors.

[ThePwener]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Because you know what? You don't have to open up every single relay there is.

Because of fear born of fear? Are you kidding me? I'll open as many as I damn like. There is no way to know what is on the other side, so we'll just stay here and rot away instead of taking risks and advancing out species.

Aweasome.

[Someone With Mass]

Well, if neither side know of each other's existence and don't have any reasons to go beyond their mapped routes, guess what everyone will have. Peace.

[ThePwener]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Was paraphrasing Garrus.

Just beause he's Garrus doesn't mean he's correct.

[SandTrout]

ThePwener wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Because you know what? You don't have to open up every single relay there is.

Because of fear born of fear? Are you kidding me? I'll open as many as I damn like. There is no way to know what is on the other side, so we'll just stay here and rot away instead of taking risks and advancing out species.

Aweasome.

Actually, it is far more of a risk to leave the Relays unexplored than to explore them. If Humanity is the one pushing out, we have the initiative in any confrontation, and the option of corralling potential threats early on.

[ThePwener]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Well, if neither side know of each other's existence and don't have any reasons to go beyond their mapped routes, guess what everyone will have. Peace.

*facepalm*

Yeah, let's not open up relays and stay in the same systems forever. Im sure that's what everyone does.

[xXljoshlXx]

SandTrout wrote...

The entire concept of not opening unmapped relays as a means of preventing another Rachni War is patently idiotic.

I don't see why you wouldn't open umapped relays if their is another race might as well get over with now instead of letting the other race increase in strength. 

[Someone With Mass]

ThePwener wrote...

Because of fear born of fear? Are you kidding me? I'll open as many as I damn like. There is no way to know what is on the other side, so we'll just stay here and rot away instead of taking risks and advancing out species.

Aweasome.

No, because taking unnecessary risks is just stupid.

By the way, if humanity had stumbled upon a hostile alien race and was broght to the brink of extinction because some idiot wanted to roleplay another episode of Star Trek, I'd have laughed at them.

[ThePwener]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Indeed. A better policy would be my policy of actively dismantling foreign relays and replacing them with our own. Expansion would be a lot slower but it would be safer and more predictable.

Are you stupid or are just pretending to be? By that same logic, we could have made Ipads in the 1920s if we had one already.

No, we couldn't have.

[Golden Owl]

Saphra Deden wrote...

No one deserved to be killed by the turians but it was incredibly reckless to ever activate the Charon relay. Anything could have been on the other side. I'd have kept it powered down and dismantled it instead. I'd study the technology and then build my own relays. I'd NEVER activate an alien relay

This is what I would hope the human race would do...Opening and using an unknown quantity such as the Relay would be like stumbling around unmapped canyon country while wearing a blind fold, why would you?

[Someone With Mass]

ThePwener wrote...
*facepalm*

Yeah, let's not open up relays and stay in the same systems forever. Im sure that's what everyone does.

Unless humanity was dying out because of low resources or polluted planets, I don't give a damn about what the "cool" kids were doing. Opening uncharted territory for absolutely no good reason is just idiotic.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

ThePwener wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Was paraphrasing Garrus.

Just beause he's Garrus doesn't mean he's correct.

I see the problem,you didn't detect my sarcasm.Actually it was less sarcasm and more,so much for that theory.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 16 août 2011 - 01:31 .

[ThePwener]

Someone With Mass wrote...

No, because taking unnecessary risks is just stupid.

Tell that to Shepard who saved Humanity by taking "unnecessary risks".

Playing it safe only gets you so far. Everything has a limit.