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[SandTrout]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Well, if neither side know of each other's existence and don't have any reasons to go beyond their mapped routes, guess what everyone will have. Peace.

That is an idiotic statement for the following reasons:

1) Any species that is not looking to expand through the Relay network is not prone to going to war with whoever is on the other side.

2) The Relay can still be activated from the other side.

3) If you have not made contact with the species on the other side yet, then you cannot set up any sort of agreement not to activate the relay.

4) If you refuse to expand, you are left as a sitting duck for the first expansionist power that happens along.

There are zero advantages to delaying activating a Mass Relay pair until the other side is mapped.

[ThePwener]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Was paraphrasing Garrus.

Just beause he's Garrus doesn't mean he's correct.

I see the problem,you didn't detect my sarcasm.

Oh.....

[SandTrout]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Well, if neither side know of each other's existence and don't have any reasons to go beyond their mapped routes, guess what everyone will have. Peace.

Indeed. A better policy would be my policy of actively dismantling foreign relays and replacing them with our own. Expansion would be a lot slower but it would be safer and more predictable.

Ok, this idea is actually valid because we actually maintain control.

[ThePwener]

Someone With Mass wrote...

ThePwener wrote...
*facepalm*

Yeah, let's not open up relays and stay in the same systems forever. Im sure that's what everyone does.

Unless humanity was dying out because of low resources or polluted planets, I don't give a damn about what the "cool" kids were doing. Opening uncharted territory for absolutely no good reason is just idiotic.

Yeah, let's not advance our species and rot here forever. That's actually the complete opposite of what would really happen.

[SandTrout]

Someone With Mass wrote...

ThePwener wrote...
*facepalm*

Yeah, let's not open up relays and stay in the same systems forever. Im sure that's what everyone does.

Unless humanity was dying out because of low resources or polluted planets, I don't give a damn about what the "cool" kids were doing. Opening uncharted territory for absolutely no good reason is just idiotic.

Read the history of the Americas and say that again with a streight face.

[ThePwener]

SandTrout wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Well, if neither side know of each other's existence and don't have any reasons to go beyond their mapped routes, guess what everyone will have. Peace.

Indeed. A better policy would be my policy of actively dismantling foreign relays and replacing them with our own. Expansion would be a lot slower but it would be safer and more predictable.

Ok, this idea is actually valid because we actually maintain control.

How many times do I have to say it? Nobody knows how to make one even if we "dismantled it". It took the Protheans 50,000 ****ing years to find out how they worked.

[Davie McG]

ThePwener wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Indeed. A better policy would be my policy of actively dismantling foreign relays and replacing them with our own. Expansion would be a lot slower but it would be safer and more predictable.

Are you stupid or are just pretending to be? By that same logic, we could have made Ipads in the 1920s if we had one already.

No, we couldn't have.

The Protheans did. It also didn't take them 50,000 years, thats just the time it took for them to evolve, explore space, find relays, build the empire and then go extinct. It's currently unknown what the time period between them starting to study and reverse engineer the relays and the time they were caught short by the reapers was.

I'm not saying it was done in a few years, it could have taken centuries, but it was done.

Modifié par Davie McG, 16 août 2011 - 01:35 .

[ThePwener]

Saphra Deden wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

Are you stupid or are just pretending to be? By that same logic, we could have made Ipads in the 1920s if we had one already.

No, we couldn't have.

We'd already be using eezo and mass effect fields so I don't think relays would be that far ahead of us.

Yeah, because it's not like it took the Protheans 50,000 years and made they're first prototype AFTER the reaper invasion.

Yeah, yor right, that didn't happen.

[ThePwener]

Davie McG wrote...

The Protheans did. It also didn't take them 50,000 years, thats just the time it took for them to evolve, explore space, find relays, build the empire and then go extinct. It's currently unknown what the time period between them starting to study and reverse engineer the relays and the time they were caught short by the reapers was.

I'm not saying it was done in a few years, it could have taken centuries, but it was done.

Exactly, there is a process. You can't skip steps in the big game called evolution. There are more important things to do first. Plus, making relays and using them is the same concept as using the ones that are already there. We can't see what's on the other side.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

For once,saphra actually has a point,your example of iPads in the 1920s is a bit different,protheans were well into being intersteller,the technological jump wouldn't have been as huge as iPad in the 1920s.they would still no doubt be jumping an entire or maybe even 2 generations of tech,but still,they did it.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 16 août 2011 - 01:41 .

[Someone With Mass]

SandTrout wrote...
That is an idiotic statement for the following reasons:

1) Any species that is not looking to expand through the Relay network is not prone to going to war with whoever is on the other side.

2) The Relay can still be activated from the other side.

3) If you have not made contact with the species on the other side yet, then you cannot set up any sort of agreement not to activate the relay.

4) If you refuse to expand, you are left as a sitting duck for the first expansionist power that happens along.

There are zero advantages to delaying activating a Mass Relay pair until the other side is mapped.

The rachni. They were territorial creatures, yet they attacked on sight and didn't stop until almost all of them were dead.

If the aliens had activated your relay, they probably would've found out about you either way. If they haven't already made contact with you, that either means that they're not using the relay, or something's wrong with its twin. Like the Charon relay that was encased in ice.

And if you don't want to be conquered by an expanding alien force, just disable the relays. Or, hell, throw a lot of debris in its vicinity. Nothing can survive that.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 16 août 2011 - 01:40 .

[Someone With Mass]

SandTrout wrote...
Read the history of the Americas and say that again with a streight face.

I can just look at today's America and say that with a straight face.

[ThePwener]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Where are you getting 50,000 years from? You have no idea how old the Prothean interstellar civilization was.

Exactly, it could be less, or more. Point is, there was no way Humanity could have made a relay after finding one.

[Golden Owl]

ThePwener wrote...

Davie McG wrote...

The Protheans did. It also didn't take them 50,000 years, thats just the time it took for them to evolve, explore space, find relays, build the empire and then go extinct. It's currently unknown what the time period between them starting to study and reverse engineer the relays and the time they were caught short by the reapers was.

I'm not saying it was done in a few years, it could have taken centuries, but it was done.

Exactly, there is a process. You can't skip steps in the big game called evolution. There are more important things to do first. Plus, making relays and using them is the same concept as using the ones that are already there. We can't see what's on the other side.

But by de-constructing, learning to understand the concepts, the whys, what it does, etc....then re-constructing, gives us a much better idea of what it is, what it does, etc.... takes many blind folds off...we still don't know whats on the other side, but by knowing what it does, we can be much better prepared for that leap.

[Davie McG]

ThePwener wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Where are you getting 50,000 years from? You have no idea how old the Prothean interstellar civilization was.

Exactly, it could be less, or more. Point is, there was no way Humanity could have made a relay after finding one.

So it's possible for both the Protheans and the reapers or who ever made them but not for us?

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Where would humanity be if they would have been able to skip the current cycle,and just used the headstart the Protheans gave us for the next one,50k years of advancing,we would become super beings.

[SandTrout]

[quote]Someone With Mass wrote...

The rachni. They were territorial creatures, yet they attacked on sight and didn't stop until almost all of them were dead.[/quote]The Rachi were expansionistic and likely about to activate that
same relay pair anyways. The result would have been the same but with the Rachni having the advantage of initiative from the get-go.

[quote]If the aliens had activated your relay, they probably would've found out about you either way. If they haven't already made contact with you, that either means that they're not using the relay, or something's wrong with its twin. Like the Charon relay that was encased in ice.[/quote] If something is wrong with the twin, then there is still no problem, if there isn't, it's a liability to leave it unexplored.

And if you don't want to be conquered by an expanding alien force, just disable the relays. Or, hell, throw a lot of debris in it's vicinity. Nothing can survive that.[/quote] Not true, ships survive debris all the time due to kinetic barriers, also, normal Relay Transit results in thousands of kilometers of drift, meaning that your debris field would need to be absolutely massive in order to have any effect at all.

Disabling the relay is another matter, but is separate from the Council's policy.

[ThePwener]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

For once,saphra actually has a point,your example of iPads in the 1920s is a bit different,protheans were well into being intersteller,the technological jump wouldn't have been as huge as iPad in the 1920s.they would still no doubt be jumping an entire or maybe even 2 generations of tech,but still,they did it.

From your logic....

This pistol



Is the same as this one

Modifié par ThePwener, 16 août 2011 - 01:46 .

[Someone With Mass]

Davie McG wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Where are you getting 50,000 years from? You have no idea how old the Prothean interstellar civilization was.

Exactly, it could be less, or more. Point is, there was no way Humanity could have made a relay after finding one.

So it's possible for both the Protheans and the reapers or who ever made them but not for us?

Nope, because the Protheans and the Reapers both have something humanity will never have in Mass Effect.

Patience.

[ThePwener]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Where would humanity be if they would have been able to skip the current cycle,and just used the headstart the Protheans gave us for the next one,50k years of advancing,we would become super beings.

And oblivious of the Reapers and destroyed by them.

Modifié par ThePwener, 16 août 2011 - 01:48 .

[Saaziel]

Someone With Mass wrote...



Nope, because the Protheans and the Reapers both have something humanity will never have in Mass Effect.

Patience.

Patience.

[SandTrout]

Someone With Mass wrote...

SandTrout wrote...
Read the history of the Americas and say that again with a streight face.

I can just look at today's America and say that with a straight face.

Today's America is not expanding into anything, let alone anything unknown. The European explorers of the 1500's and 1600's were. The indigenous Americans were not prepared to deal with expansionist powers like the Europeans, but refusing to cross the Atlantic from their side did not help at all. In fact, the Europeans managed to conquer both continents regardless of the fact that the Americas had been isolated up until that point.

Modifié par SandTrout, 16 août 2011 - 01:50 .