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[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Still,I agree with trout,my original post on the subject got ignored,explore the relays before whatever is on the other side becomes a problem...or a threat.


Also...120 and first.

and 120 wow.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 16 août 2011 - 02:44 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

I know, right? How the hell did this topic suddenly get so active again today? Although its momentum seems to have slowed down again... bedtime for most of us, I suspect.

Also, what did you guys think of the Cerberus Centurions are Shepard clones theory posted earlier today? The way I see it, it makes all the missing pieces fall into place.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

I know, right? How the hell did this topic suddenly get so active again today? Although its momentum seems to have slowed down again... bedtime for most of us, I suspect.

Also, what did you guys think of the Cerberus Centurions are Shepard clones theory posted earlier today? The way I see it, it makes all the missing pieces fall into place.

Zulu actually had a reasonable explanation *gasp* about the new army TIM has amassed.

I can beleive a couple of clones,but this isn't star wars,and Shepard isn't Jango fett.



It is actually pretty crazy the thread was moving so fast,it is a far cry from lotions "god of logic" trip.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 16 août 2011 - 03:26 .

[SandTrout]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

I know, right? How the hell did this topic suddenly get so active again today? Although its momentum seems to have slowed down again... bedtime for most of us, I suspect.

Also, what did you guys think of the Cerberus Centurions are Shepard clones theory posted earlier today? The way I see it, it makes all the missing pieces fall into place.

Clones: Yes. Shepard Clones: No. That thread turned more to humor than anythink else, like the 'what are Reapers made of' thread.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

SandTrout wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

I know, right? How the hell did this topic suddenly get so active again today? Although its momentum seems to have slowed down again... bedtime for most of us, I suspect.

Also, what did you guys think of the Cerberus Centurions are Shepard clones theory posted earlier today? The way I see it, it makes all the missing pieces fall into place.

Clones: Yes. Shepard Clones: No. That thread turned more to humor than anythink else, like the 'what are Reapers made of' thread.

That thread is just people saying random words.


I would know.


Maybe a Shepard v Shepard bossfight ala Fable 3,but it would go too highlander and you would just scream there can only be one.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 16 août 2011 - 03:21 .

[Seboist]

Cloning is an interesting possibility. Okeer's Krogan cloning was partially derived from Collector technology and the Collectors themselves were cybernetic clones, so it's possible.

[ThePwener]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Eh, I kind of feel that cloning just robs Cerberus of any real depth. We might as well just be killing geth.

Depth? The galaxy is at war and people are dying. Not a lot of people jumping into the whole Pro-Human thing.

[ThePwener]

That makes ME a dumb action game? wut

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

There is plenty more depth to be had, simplifying Cerberus' forces doesn't mean the game will be "dumb"

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 16 août 2011 - 03:43 .

[Davie McG]

Have to agree with Saphra, cloning would be a pretty feeble excuse for a plot twist.

Perhaps thorian creepers that they've managed to clone from back in ME1, but not a boss battle with evil Shepard, that would be retarded.

[Seboist]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Eh, I kind of feel that cloning just robs Cerberus of any real depth. We might as well just be killing geth.

Certainly, along with "indoctrination" aka nanomachines aka dracula's magic.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Zulu's explanation of the Cerberus army makes the most sense,so much so that it is hard to debate,but I'm sure y'all will try.


And I thought killing Shepard and having Cerberus bring him back was a "dumb" way to force me to work with them,and Shepard standing there and letting the beam hit him was also "dumb",but I still loved the game and thought it had plenty of depth.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 16 août 2011 - 03:49 .

[ThePwener]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

There is plenty more depth to be had, simplifying Cerberus' forces doesn't mean the game will be "dumb"

It's already a step in the wrong direction.

Why is that exactly? I don't see your point.

[Seboist]

ThePwener wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

There is plenty more depth to be had, simplifying Cerberus' forces doesn't mean the game will be "dumb"

It's already a step in the wrong direction.

Why is that exactly? I don't see your point.

Fighting clone troops has no more meaning than fighting Loki Mechs or Varren.

[Davie McG]

What is zulu's theory about the Cerberus army?

Edit: Or where might I find it if it's too long winded to explain?

Modifié par Davie McG, 16 août 2011 - 03:49 .

[SandTrout]

Davie McG wrote...

What is zulu's theory about the Cerberus army?

Edit: Or where might I find it if it's too long winded to explain?

The short of it is that Terra Firma has gained control of a portion of the Alliance military and turned it over to TIM.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

HomelessGal wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...
Zulu's explanation of the Cerberus army makes the most sense,so much so that it is hard to debate,but I'm sure y'all will try.

What was it, again? That an irrelevant political party will suddenly turn out to be a major military power?

This is probably not gonna work as intended.

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

ddv.rsa wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

ddv.rsa wrote...

In ME3 they seem to be openly warring against the Alliance.

Where?

It
looks that way. The Alliance is fighting the Reapers, and Cerberus is
allied with the Reapers (at least Cerberus troops have been seen
supporting a Reaper). I take that to mean they're allied against the
Alliance.

BW have also stated Cerberus troops make up 40% of the
enemies you'll face, with husks making up another large chunk. With
them as the main organic enemy I'm will to venture they're against  the
Alliance.

And I'm willing to venture to suggest that the
army they've mustered overnight is mainly composed of the Alliance
reservists, indoctrinated - in the actual sense of the word - by the
Terra Firma party activists.

What if TIM had actually been building that army for year in...wait for it...secret...bum bum bum

That's
exactly what I mean. Former Alliance servicemen, mobilized by the Terra
Firma (a political party in the Alliance) = TIM's army built in secret.

HA it worked.

And it only took a ton of reading.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 16 août 2011 - 03:58 .

[Sisterofshane]

SandTrout wrote...

For the discussions of Human Rights in the context of Mass Effect, Cerberus's goal is to first and foremost ensure 1 critical Human Right which supercedes all others: The right of survival. Human Rights cannot exist without humans, and we cannot control any rights if we are subservient to an alien power.

The morally questionable part is the fact that Cerberus violates the rights of individuals on a limited scale in order to protect the rights of the species as a whole. This is not an idea that I agree with, but I do understand it.

I would not trust TIM if he were to take a position of overt power, but in the face of being eradicated by an alien power, almost anything can be theoretically justified. Survival trumps all other priorities.

Cerberus doesn't have the right to take away individual freedoms.  Hobbes, Locke and Rousseau have it right.  The individual gives us certain rights to the government in order to obtain security in other, more basic rights.  For example, I have given up my right to take property from my neighbor forcibly, because I know the government will stop my neighbor from forcibly taking land from me.

Cerberus is not a government -- they are a private orgainization.  They should not have the ability to do anything to anyone who does not see them as an official political entity.  Heck, even the Alliance oversteps it's bounds here and there, but at least they do it with official government recognition.

Read up on Social Contract theory.  It's part of why Cerberus is still considered to be an illegal enterprise, despite all of their "intentions", because they violate certain, unalienable rights.