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[BlueMagitek]

Come on everybody, chill out. ~_^

So, did we go over the Overlord decision? Given Legion, I think it's best that we don't do it; while being able to control / communicate with Geth is significant, it would likely attract the ire of the Geth. I don't think they'd take kindly to an organic race with the ability to control them, especially given their history with the Quarians.

[Seboist]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Seboist wrote...
There's no excuse to be made. We save lives while you waste 'em.

Right...how many died aboard the Destiny Ascension again?

Who gives a ****, we saved BILLIONS by rushing to destroy Sovereign. You're lucky Bioware lets you Paragons have your cake and eat it.

[RAF1940]

Volus Warlord wrote...

HomelessGal wrote...

I approve of the title.

I think keeping the base is more interesting in a narrative sense, though Retribution and Invasion seem to make the choice almost irrelevant.

Nearly all the choices you make are irrelevant in the long run.

I hope not.

[IndigoWolfe]

Seboist wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Paragons enjoy watching a million mothers mourn the loss of a million sons. You people disgust me.

And Renegades would just make up pathetic excuses for it.

There's no excuse to be made. We save lives while you waste 'em.

So I guess the million bullets a million Renegades poured into a million different Shialas, colonists and Wrexes were actually magical healing bullets that revived them once they were off screen?

[Kaiser Shepard]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Come on everybody, chill out. ~_^

So, did we go over the Overlord decision? Given Legion, I think it's best that we don't do it; while being able to control / communicate with Geth is significant, it would likely attract the ire of the Geth. I don't think they'd take kindly to an organic race with the ability to control them, especially given their history with the Quarians.

The moment those geth chose to follow Sovereign, they gave up any and all 'rights' I would otherwise consider them to have.

[Someone With Mass]

Seboist wrote...

Who gives a ****, we saved BILLIONS by rushing to destroy Sovereign. You're lucky Bioware lets you Paragons have your cake and eat it.

Yeah.

I'd rather be Paragon than be a whiny little douchebag who complains about everything and enforces violence and suffering upon others because Renegade had a pissy childhood.

[Seboist]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Paragons enjoy watching a million mothers mourn the loss of a million sons. You people disgust me.

And Renegades would just make up pathetic excuses for it.

There's no excuse to be made. We save lives while you waste 'em.

So I guess the million bullets a million Renegades poured into a million different Shialas, colonists and Wrexes were actually magical healing bullets that revived them once they were off screen?

Like Mordin says, executing dangerous people helps others.

[BlueMagitek]

That wasn't the entire Geth species, though. A portion of Asari & Krogan joined Saren as well, would you have them dominated?

[Golden Owl]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Seboist wrote...
There's no excuse to be made. We save lives while you waste 'em.

Right...how many died aboard the Destiny Ascension again?

SWM....there are much better arguements to be made (Feros for example)...please don't use the DA, we don't find out how many souls were on the DA until ME2, so it's a moot point for a decision made in ME1.

[Someone With Mass]

Seboist wrote...

Like Mordin says, executing dangerous people helps others.

By that logic, you should kill everyone you meet. Which is what you do.

[Dave of Canada]

Someone With Mass wrote...
I'd rather be Paragon than be a whiny little douchebag

I laughed.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 29 août 2011 - 01:51 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

 

Someone With Mass wrote...

Seboist wrote...
There's no excuse to be made. We save lives while you waste 'em.

Right...how many died aboard the Destiny Ascension again?

More souls than will ever forgive him...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Paragons enjoy watching a million mothers mourn the loss of a million sons. You people disgust me.

And Renegades would just make up pathetic excuses for it.

There's no excuse to be made. We save lives while you waste 'em.

So I guess the million bullets a million Renegades poured into a million different Shialas, colonists and Wrexes were actually magical healing bullets that revived them once they were off screen?

...but we won't apologize for radical actions.

BlueMagitek wrote...

That wasn't the entire Geth species, though. A portion of Asari & Krogan joined Saren as well, would you have them dominated?

And the orthodox geth thusly aren't so unworthy that they deserve to be dominated.

As for the organics that joined Saren, that's a different story, seeing how you don't know how many joined out of free will. Still, I'd say extermination probably is the safer option, seeing how you can never be too careful with indoctrination.

Then again, if we could use the tech from the Collector Base to use indoctrination on the already indoctrinated in an attempt to have them (directly or indirectly) fight the Reapers, why not?

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 29 août 2011 - 01:54 .

[Seboist]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Like Mordin says, executing dangerous people helps others.

By that logic, you should kill everyone you meet. Which is what you do.

Everyone that can be executed in ME isn't completely innocent. My Shepard plays the part of Spectre like she's expected of.

[Someone With Mass]

Seboist wrote...

Everyone that can be executed in ME isn't completely innocent. My Shepard plays the part of Spectre like she's expected of.

There's no such thing as complete innocence.

[IndigoWolfe]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Paragons enjoy watching a million mothers mourn the loss of a million sons. You people disgust me.

And Renegades would just make up pathetic excuses for it.

There's no excuse to be made. We save lives while you waste 'em.

So I guess the million bullets a million Renegades poured into a million different Shialas, colonists and Wrexes were actually magical healing bullets that revived them once they were off screen?

...but we won't apologize for radical actions.

There's a point where radical action end becomes a stupid waste of potential resources.

[BlueMagitek]

And the orthodox geth thusly aren't so unworthy that they deserve to be dominated.

As for the organics that joined Saren, that's a different story, seeing how you don't know how many joined out of free will. Still, I'd say extermination probably is the safer option, seeing how you can never be too careful with indoctrination.

We see Geth come to different conclusions; while they are likely bound to some extent by their programming, they still have the ability to make choices and shouldn't be exterminated just because some of them made a choice to follow a Reaper.

Once again, exterminating everyone due to a fraction of their species joining the enemy isn't the right answer at all.

[Mad180]

Seboist wrote...

Everyone that can be executed in ME isn't completely innocent. My Shepard plays the part of Spectre like she's expected of.

Didn't know Spectres were Asari Justicars.

[Kaiser Shepard]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

There's a point where radical action end becomes a stupid waste of potential resources.

Sure, but it isn't where you choose the entire galaxy over its would-be government.

BlueMagitek wrote...

We see Geth come to different conclusions; while they are likely bound to some extent by their programming, they still have the ability to make choices and shouldn't be exterminated just because some of them made a choice to follow a Reaper.

Once again, exterminating everyone due to a fraction of their species joining the enemy isn't the right answer at all.

I never said their entire species deserves termination, just the faction that did choose to throw their lot in with Sovereign.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 29 août 2011 - 02:13 .

[Seboist]

Legion's Geth can't be trusted beyond being allies against the Reapers. They never made overtures of peace to anyone for the past 2-300 years and killed anyone who ventured into their turf. That they did nothing against the Heretics while they were on the verge of unleashing Armageddon with Sovereign in ME1 doesn't win them any points either.

Another area of concern is that Dyson sphere they're building. That even Legion doesn't know what the end result of it will be is troublesome.

[Golden Owl]

Seboist wrote...

Legion's Geth can't be trusted beyond being allies against the Reapers. They never made overtures of peace to anyone for the past 2-300 years and killed anyone who ventured into their turf. That they did nothing against the Heretics while they were on the verge of unleashing Armageddon with Sovereign in ME1 doesn't win them any points either.

Another area of concern is that Dyson sphere they're building. That even Legion doesn't know what the end result of it will be is troublesome.

Good point...I'm looking forward to seeing if that one plays out and how it may in ME3.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Golden Owl wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Legion's Geth can't be trusted beyond being allies against the Reapers. They never made overtures of peace to anyone for the past 2-300 years and killed anyone who ventured into their turf. That they did nothing against the Heretics while they were on the verge of unleashing Armageddon with Sovereign in ME1 doesn't win them any points either.

Another area of concern is that Dyson sphere they're building. That even Legion doesn't know what the end result of it will be is troublesome.

Good point...I'm looking forward to seeing if that one plays out and how it may in ME3.

[BlueMagitek]

Seboist wrote...

Legion's Geth can't be trusted beyond being allies against the Reapers. They never made overtures of peace to anyone for the past 2-300 years and killed anyone who ventured into their turf. That they did nothing against the Heretics while they were on the verge of unleashing Armageddon with Sovereign in ME1 doesn't win them any points either.

Another area of concern is that Dyson sphere they're building. That even Legion doesn't know what the end result of it will be is troublesome.

They awoke into sentience and almost suffered genocide for it.  They have every right to be untrustworthy of organics, who don't trust AI at all either as we can see from ME on the Citadel.  We don't know what they were doing about the heretics, if anything.  It's like assuming hte Blue Wizards from Lord of the Rings did nothing against Sauron; they did, we just didn't hear anything about it. 

Oh no?  They're advancing in technology, it's to be expected of an alien species that isn't content with just learning how to use the tech that the Reapers left behind.  Heck, Humanity is advancing as well, it doesn't mean we're going to turn Imperalistic all of a sudden.

I never said their entire species deserves termination, just the faction that did choose to throw their lot in with Sovereign.

Yes, but Overlord will provide a means to control or influence all of the Geth.  If anything it'd encourage them to join our enemies.

[Someone With Mass]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...
*unicronsnip*

Oh, that'd be fun.

[JGDD]

Seboist wrote...

Legion's Geth can't be trusted beyond being allies against the Reapers. They never made overtures of peace to anyone for the past 2-300 years and killed anyone who ventured into their turf. That they did nothing against the Heretics while they were on the verge of unleashing Armageddon with Sovereign in ME1 doesn't win them any points either.

Another area of concern is that Dyson sphere they're building. That even Legion doesn't know what the end result of it will be is troublesome.

Do we know that it was Legion's Geth that anyone contacted? Could have just as easily been the Heretics. It's unknown exactly which faction the envoys ran into when venturing into the Perseus Vail.

That they never interfered with them only suggests they were allowed to go down their own path. That is until the Heretics decided the opposing Geth were a danger to them and decided to try and rewrite the main faction.