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[Golden Owl]

Kmead15 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

New morality topic!

Saving the sick batarian in Garrus' recruitment mission.

One way of predicting how an epidemic will affect a population is the SIRS model. In that model, rate of new infections in a population is given by the term ßSI, which represents the infection rate times the number of individuals suspectible to the disease times the number of people infected. Because you let that one batarian live, the number of infected is now one higher than it would have been without your intervention, meaning that more healthy people will be infected.  Once again, Paragon Shepard ignores the greater good just so he can feel all warm and fuzzy about himself!

Seriously though, I heal him.

That makes no sense what so ever...

[Aumata]

Golden Owl wrote...

Kmead15 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

New morality topic!

Saving the sick batarian in Garrus' recruitment mission.

One way of predicting how an epidemic will affect a population is the SIRS model. In that model, rate of new infections in a population is given by the term ßSI, which represents the infection rate times the number of individuals suspectible to the disease times the number of people infected. Because you let that one batarian live, the number of infected is now one higher than it would have been without your intervention, meaning that more healthy people will be infected.  Once again, Paragon Shepard ignores the greater good just so he can feel all warm and fuzzy about himself!

Seriously though, I heal him.

That makes no sense what so ever...

It does make since actually.  He still have the plague by you helping him get better you made him a walking contagion, to infect others, which could have actually played out like that in Mass Effect 2.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

But you killed everyone between the entrance and Mordin's lab,except a few humans who can't get the plague anyway.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 05 septembre 2011 - 01:56 .

[Golden Owl]

Aumata wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

Kmead15 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

New morality topic!

Saving the sick batarian in Garrus' recruitment mission.

One way of predicting how an epidemic will affect a population is the SIRS model. In that model, rate of new infections in a population is given by the term ßSI, which represents the infection rate times the number of individuals suspectible to the disease times the number of people infected. Because you let that one batarian live, the number of infected is now one higher than it would have been without your intervention, meaning that more healthy people will be infected.  Once again, Paragon Shepard ignores the greater good just so he can feel all warm and fuzzy about himself!

Seriously though, I heal him.

That makes no sense what so ever...

It does make since actually.  He still have the plague by you helping him get better you made him a walking contagion, to infect others, which could have actually played out like that in Mass Effect 2.

...who remains in the quarantine zone until either the plague is cured or all the carriers are dead....It changes nothing.

Modifié par Golden Owl, 05 septembre 2011 - 02:02 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

Everyone in the quariantine zone was already dead anyway, except for the superior humans and vorcha.

[Someone With Mass]

That batarian was barely strong enough to stand. There's no way that he'd get past the guards. Especially when the quarantine doors are locked, as the turian outside said that he wouldn't let anyone out or in besides Shepard and his team.

Hence the word "quarantine".

Helping one batarian won't hurt anyone.

[SalsaDMA]

111987 wrote...

Actually, the project's original goal was to, and I quote, "This is Project Overlord. An attempt to influence the Geth by interfacing a human mind with a VI."

"We wanted to turn the Geth's religious impulse into a weapon...we realized they could be swayed. And if a proper figurehead was created...a virus with a face, if you will, the Geth might be controlled."

Doesn't this make it a flawed concept?

Cerberus are purely dealing with heretics. If Legions loyalty mission have been done (which is most of the playthroughs, I would wager), then regardless of the actual choice done in that mission there should be no more heretics, and thus the 'angle of control' implied by overlord trying to utilize the religious connection bewteen the heretics and the reapers would not exist anymore (either because they were blown up or rewritten to ignore the religious worship).

So whenever someone stepped in and told the Geth "I am your GOD, obey me now!!!" they would raise their eyeplate, put their arms slightly in the air and say, with air-quotes: "Ahh... Obeying selfproclaimed Gods... We dismissed that claim already..."

[111987]

SalsaDMA wrote...

111987 wrote...

Actually, the project's original goal was to, and I quote, "This is Project Overlord. An attempt to influence the Geth by interfacing a human mind with a VI."

"We wanted to turn the Geth's religious impulse into a weapon...we realized they could be swayed. And if a proper figurehead was created...a virus with a face, if you will, the Geth might be controlled."

Doesn't this make it a flawed concept?

Cerberus are purely dealing with heretics. If Legions loyalty mission have been done (which is most of the playthroughs, I would wager), then regardless of the actual choice done in that mission there should be no more heretics, and thus the 'angle of control' implied by overlord trying to utilize the religious connection bewteen the heretics and the reapers would not exist anymore (either because they were blown up or rewritten to ignore the religious worship).

So whenever someone stepped in and told the Geth "I am your GOD, obey me now!!!" they would raise their eyeplate, put their arms slightly in the air and say, with air-quotes: "Ahh... Obeying selfproclaimed Gods... We dismissed that claim already..."

Not all of the Heretic Geth were destroyed if you destroyed the base. A significant amount of them, yes, but not all.

[legion999]

111987 wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

111987 wrote...

Actually, the project's original goal was to, and I quote, "This is Project Overlord. An attempt to influence the Geth by interfacing a human mind with a VI."

"We wanted to turn the Geth's religious impulse into a weapon...we realized they could be swayed. And if a proper figurehead was created...a virus with a face, if you will, the Geth might be controlled."

Doesn't this make it a flawed concept?

Cerberus are purely dealing with heretics. If Legions loyalty mission have been done (which is most of the playthroughs, I would wager), then regardless of the actual choice done in that mission there should be no more heretics, and thus the 'angle of control' implied by overlord trying to utilize the religious connection bewteen the heretics and the reapers would not exist anymore (either because they were blown up or rewritten to ignore the religious worship).

So whenever someone stepped in and told the Geth "I am your GOD, obey me now!!!" they would raise their eyeplate, put their arms slightly in the air and say, with air-quotes: "Ahh... Obeying selfproclaimed Gods... We dismissed that claim already..."

Not all of the Heretic Geth were destroyed if you destroyed the base. A significant amount of them, yes, but not all.

No the virus will convert or destroy the heretics depending on what option you take.

[111987]

legion999 wrote...

111987 wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

111987 wrote...

Actually, the project's original goal was to, and I quote, "This is Project Overlord. An attempt to influence the Geth by interfacing a human mind with a VI."

"We wanted to turn the Geth's religious impulse into a weapon...we realized they could be swayed. And if a proper figurehead was created...a virus with a face, if you will, the Geth might be controlled."

Doesn't this make it a flawed concept?

Cerberus are purely dealing with heretics. If Legions loyalty mission have been done (which is most of the playthroughs, I would wager), then regardless of the actual choice done in that mission there should be no more heretics, and thus the 'angle of control' implied by overlord trying to utilize the religious connection bewteen the heretics and the reapers would not exist anymore (either because they were blown up or rewritten to ignore the religious worship).

So whenever someone stepped in and told the Geth "I am your GOD, obey me now!!!" they would raise their eyeplate, put their arms slightly in the air and say, with air-quotes: "Ahh... Obeying selfproclaimed Gods... We dismissed that claim already..."

Not all of the Heretic Geth were destroyed if you destroyed the base. A significant amount of them, yes, but not all.

No the virus will convert or destroy the heretics depending on what option you take.

No. You don't use the virus on the Heretic Geth to destroy them; that's not how the virus functions. Think about it, if you were releasing the virus in both outcomes, why would the staton be blown up?

All you do is blow up the base.

[Omega4RelayResident]

Aumata wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

Kmead15 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

New morality topic!

Saving the sick batarian in Garrus' recruitment mission.

One way of predicting how an epidemic will affect a population is the SIRS model. In that model, rate of new infections in a population is given by the term ßSI, which represents the infection rate times the number of individuals suspectible to the disease times the number of people infected. Because you let that one batarian live, the number of infected is now one higher than it would have been without your intervention, meaning that more healthy people will be infected.  Once again, Paragon Shepard ignores the greater good just so he can feel all warm and fuzzy about himself!

Seriously though, I heal him.

That makes no sense what so ever...

It does make since actually.  He still have the plague by you helping him get better you made him a walking contagion, to infect others, which could have actually played out like that in Mass Effect 2.

The plague was airborne anyway... so infected batarian walking around spreading the plague is a moot point....

Save him

[Omega4RelayResident]

111987 wrote...

legion999 wrote...

111987 wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

111987 wrote...

Actually, the project's original goal was to, and I quote, "This is Project Overlord. An attempt to influence the Geth by interfacing a human mind with a VI."

"We wanted to turn the Geth's religious impulse into a weapon...we realized they could be swayed. And if a proper figurehead was created...a virus with a face, if you will, the Geth might be controlled."

Doesn't this make it a flawed concept?

Cerberus are purely dealing with heretics. If Legions loyalty mission have been done (which is most of the playthroughs, I would wager), then regardless of the actual choice done in that mission there should be no more heretics, and thus the 'angle of control' implied by overlord trying to utilize the religious connection bewteen the heretics and the reapers would not exist anymore (either because they were blown up or rewritten to ignore the religious worship).

So whenever someone stepped in and told the Geth "I am your GOD, obey me now!!!" they would raise their eyeplate, put their arms slightly in the air and say, with air-quotes: "Ahh... Obeying selfproclaimed Gods... We dismissed that claim already..."

Not all of the Heretic Geth were destroyed if you destroyed the base. A significant amount of them, yes, but not all.

No the virus will convert or destroy the heretics depending on what option you take.

No. You don't use the virus on the Heretic Geth to destroy them; that's not how the virus functions. Think about it, if you were releasing the virus in both outcomes, why would the staton be blown up?

All you do is blow up the base.

111987 is correct about this.... but in light of all the events the Overlord Project is not needed because the Cerberus doctor Gavin Archer is operating under the assumption that all Geth are like the Heretics... Since the Heretic main base is destroyed there is almost no point in controlling only a handfull of Geth that may be left out there in the Universe.... or if they are re-written then there is no point to try to brainwash a possible ally.

Modifié par Omega4RelayResident, 05 septembre 2011 - 10:14 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

Why not? The geth on Aite are completely isolated from the other geth factions and were heretics to begin with.

[Omega4RelayResident]

Okay so we are plugging in Gambit after all?

[Omega4RelayResident]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Why not? The geth on Aite are completely isolated from the other geth factions and were heretics to begin with.

Did Legion not say that all Geth would eventually become re-written?

[Kaiser Shepard]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

Okay so we are plugging in Gambit after all?

It all seems harmless. If our work spares a million users the excessive laughter of a million posts, my conscience will rest easy.

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Why not? The geth on Aite are completely isolated from the other geth factions and were heretics to begin with.

Did Legion not say that all Geth would eventually become re-written?

Assuming they are linked up to the heretic network, which these geth aren't.

[Omega4RelayResident]

I meant the pulse tha eminated from the station if you chose to rewrite them.... you dont think it would reach that far?

[Kaiser Shepard]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

I meant the pulse tha eminated from the station if you chose to rewrite them.... you dont think it would reach that far?

Not without the FTL channels activated, no. And seeing how David doesn't upload himself from the crashed heretic ship, I'd guess it's a safe thing to say whatever FTL communication equipment they had on it was damaged.

After accepting David as their new god, though, I'm sure he could've given them the command to never again link up with the other geth, at least not without safety procedures in place Forgot how the virus from Sovereign was a one time use only one; there is only one chance of infection. As a virus himself, however, he is able to overwrite pretty much everything.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 07 septembre 2011 - 09:30 .

[Omega4RelayResident]

So what is a handfull of Geth worth?

[Kaiser Shepard]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

So what is a handfull of Geth worth?

Can't geth self-replicate? Also, in either scenario they could attempt to win over / corrupt the other geth.

[Omega4RelayResident]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

So what is a handfull of Geth worth?

Can't geth self-replicate? Also, in either scenario they could attempt to win over / corrupt the other geth.

Which brings us back to destroy the Project because it is too dangerous.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

Which brings us back to destroy the Project because it is too dangerous.

True, which leads to either free David because he doesn't deserve the suffering, and Shepard "shutting" down the project because he doesn't trust anyone else with that kind of power.

[Omega4RelayResident]

That SOB gave me the hicups from laughing so hard

[Kaiser Shepard]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

That SOB gave me the hicups from laughing so hard

My face and lungs hurt right now, so you aren't the only one afffected. :')

[ddv.rsa]

Any suggestions on a new morality topic?