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[SandTrout]

ddv.rsa wrote...

Only a navy? That's all that really counts against the Reapers. But for the sake of the argument let's say they are most effective infantry. Are infantry really in such short supply as to warrant opening a can of worms like the genophage cure?

I'm willing to bet that even without curing the genophage, you could still leverage Grunt and Wrex to get some Krogan warriors. 

I'm not one to throw away a resource to be used against the Reapers. If we live long enough for the Krogan to be our biggest problem, then things are looking up. Frankly, we're probably going to be dealing with a pretty massive horde of Husks and Husk derivations, so yes, infantry is going to be in short supply when we're dealing with the Hudson-only-knows-how-many husked Batarians the Reapers have at their disposal after they swept that sector of space.

As for Wrex and Grunt, they may be able to pull some decent leverage, but remember that Wrex is seen as a radical by most Krogan, and Grunt bares the stigma of being tank-bred, so their pull, if any, will be very limited, I think, and would not compare to the amount of leverage that a genophage cure represents.

Edit: Yes, I agree that if the Krogan had a viable navy, they would be a much more valuable asset against the Reapers, but you made the argument that implied that they would not be as effective as the infantry of other species, which I disagree with.

Modifié par SandTrout, 26 septembre 2011 - 07:54 .

[ddv.rsa]

In that there are less of them, and in that they are not as well equipped, I think their infantry is weaker. The Council races all have scientists and military industries working constantly to outfit their troops with the latest technology. Tuchanka is a pile of rubble with no scientists or heavy industry. I don't see Krogan weapons and armor being on par with that of the Council races.

Edit: And constant clan warfare doesn't necessarily equate to good soldiers. Which do you think are more effective troops- Somalian militia who spend their lives fighting or US soldiers who enlist for a few years?

Modifié par ddv.rsa, 26 septembre 2011 - 08:07 .

[SandTrout]

The assumption that the Krogan are not as well equipped as other nations seems flawed to me. It would appear that most Krogan clans have a serious weapons program. Note the Lord High Researcher of clan Urdnot. Also, though the Krogan probably have less total resources dedicated to research in general, all of their research that they do is dedicated to munitions and armor. The fact that they can carry more than most organic species is also a bonus. At least in the terms of military hardware, I would expect the Krogan to be at least on-par with most species.

[ddv.rsa]

Seriously? To have an arms industry you'd need engineers, who are each the product of years of study. Do the Krogan even have universities?

[SandTrout]

ddv.rsa wrote...

Seriously? To have an arms industry you'd need engineers, who are each the product of years of study. Do the Krogan even have universities?

You don't need universities to have engineers. For most of history, engineering was a craft learned by apprentices. We know that Krogan have engineers such as the Lord High Researcher and the Mechanic in any case.

[SkittlesKat96]

Its been hinted in the comics and novels (and even in the ME 2 mission summaries and in Tuchanka) that the Krogan have powerful ground warfare vehicles and tanks and they do have lots of scientists and mechanics that focus on warfare. Krogan are MADE for ground warfare, just since they are small in number this has made things very troublesome for their military. Krogan are even capable of making warships, just they have sanctions/prohibitions on them that prevent them from making them.

So I'm not saying they have a great infantry but I'm sure its high up and I'm sure they have good armor and weaporny.

And that is only their munitions and equipment we are talking about, the actual Krogan themselves are very powerful and more disciplined than we give them credit for. A Krogan Battlemaster is said to be as strong as ten soldiers of any other military, and they are fearless and methodical.

And the beautiful thing is that the Krogan love fighting (or at least I think so, I may have my facts wrong.) From the way Wrex and Grunt put it fighting the Rachni was fun for the Krogan.

That said though whether the Krogan and Rachni are worth saving and using as infantry in ME 3 is a bit different and I don't have an opinion on that. They are both pretty risky choices though.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Grim Intent wrote...

Sometimes I really wonder about the state of people's minds that post in these forums...
You're hopeless and clearly don't see what's blatantly obvious at this point. Listen kiddo, you can try all you like to justify why you kept the base but the fact remains the same. It is considered a Renegade Action. A pretty serious one considering the amount of points you gain in that alignment for doing so. Maybe you should look up the definition of Renegade before you pursue debate any further...

Here, let me simplify it for you. It's a traitor, an outlaw. Not exactly good things to be labeled as... If you honestly think you made the right decision in keeping the base then I guess your Moral Compass is broken. It's clear that I can't convince any of you otherwise though no matter how many facts I spout in your face to convert you so I give up. I'll just laugh pretty hard when you boot up ME3 and by the end of the game everyone dies and you realize you made some pretty poor decisions through your playthroughs to feel more like a badass and got everyone killed in the process. Meanwhile you'll most likely be left scratching your head as to why it turned out that way...
You sir, are the silly one.
 

I could care less what the redicolous label for the decision is. Real-life has no such labels, and I do not let them control me. Morals? Moral compass? Dont' make me laugh....

Keeping the base is the most logical decision. The smartest decision one can make at that point. It's made for the benefit of the whole galaxy.
Regardless of how it plays out, that is one thing that is without doubt.

Now, when the galaxy is burning around you, I'm sure you can take comfort in knowing you fed your own broken ego.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 26 septembre 2011 - 10:16 .

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

My moral compas is working AOK. I could care less what the redicolous label for the decision is. REal-life has bno such labels, and I do not let them control me.

Keeping the base is the most logical decision. The smartest decision one can make at that point. It's made for the benefit of the whole galaxy.
Regardless of how it plays out, that is one thing that is without doubt.

Now, when the galaxy is burning around you, I'm sure you can take comfort in knowing you fed your own broken ego.

Still going on about how Cerberus will suddenly go all BFF on the galaxy and protect as much as possible? That's nice.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Still championing the cause of trolling?
Get a life SWM.

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Still championing the cause of trolling?
Get a life SWM.

Says the pathetic armchair warrior who's not wasting any second to try and make fun of my comments with puny insults. 

Not so fun when you're on the receiving end, huh?

[Lotion Soronarr]

Nothing with you involved is fun...

Quit trolling already. You are not interesting. You are not contributing anything. You're just being a boring, irritating douche.

[Dave of Canada]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Not so fun when you're on the receiving end, huh?

Considering your tendency to insult anybody who supports Cerberus due to your petty vendetta, I assume he (and anybody else who supports Cerberus) knows how it feels to be on the "receiving end" of your repetitive posts.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 26 septembre 2011 - 10:33 .

[AlexXIV]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Grim Intent wrote...

Sometimes I really wonder about the state of people's minds that post in these forums...
You're hopeless and clearly don't see what's blatantly obvious at this point. Listen kiddo, you can try all you like to justify why you kept the base but the fact remains the same. It is considered a Renegade Action. A pretty serious one considering the amount of points you gain in that alignment for doing so. Maybe you should look up the definition of Renegade before you pursue debate any further...

Here, let me simplify it for you. It's a traitor, an outlaw. Not exactly good things to be labeled as... If you honestly think you made the right decision in keeping the base then I guess your Moral Compass is broken. It's clear that I can't convince any of you otherwise though no matter how many facts I spout in your face to convert you so I give up. I'll just laugh pretty hard when you boot up ME3 and by the end of the game everyone dies and you realize you made some pretty poor decisions through your playthroughs to feel more like a badass and got everyone killed in the process. Meanwhile you'll most likely be left scratching your head as to why it turned out that way...
You sir, are the silly one.
 

I could care less what the redicolous label for the decision is. Real-life has no such labels, and I do not let them control me. Morals? Moral compass? Dont' make me laugh....

Keeping the base is the most logical decision. The smartest decision one can make at that point. It's made for the benefit of the whole galaxy.
Regardless of how it plays out, that is one thing that is without doubt.

Now, when the galaxy is burning around you, I'm sure you can take comfort in knowing you fed your own broken ego.

Keeping the base would be a smart decision if you could keep it under control or maybe Council or be it only Alliance control. But handing it to Cerberus, a supposed illegal/terrorist organisation? Well shady at least. I would say that this is quite the leap of faith. Even if they are doing the right thing in ME2, and even if Shep owes them his/her life. And even if Liara gave Shep's body to them (something I still can't understand).

Modifié par AlexXIV, 26 septembre 2011 - 10:36 .

[TobyHasEyes]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Nothing with you involved is fun...

Quit trolling already. You are not interesting. You are not contributing anything. You're just being a boring, irritating douche.

 Everyone should quit this topic. It is not interesting. It is not contributig anything. It's just boring.

[SandTrout]

I don't know, I was enjoying my discussion with ddv.rsa.

Granted, some people are far less interesting than others.

[Someone With Mass]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Considering your tendency to insult anybody who supports Cerberus due to your petty vendetta, I assume he (and anybody else who supports Cerberus) knows how it feels to be on the "receiving end" of your repetitive posts.

My petty vendetta? The whole galaxy will be a better place with Cerberus gone. No more idiots who jeopardizes the safety of communications networks or preforms sadistic experiments because they think it's somehow necessary to inject a soldier with thresher acid, even if they can get even better results if they started behaving like a modern scientist instead of someone who's stuck in the 40's with no way of analyzing the particles of the acids instead.

Not to mention that they're trying to play God by detonating eezo refineries to try and get some human biotics by killing dozens of ordinary humans. Just because they think they should challenge every race in every field with their sloppy guesswork.

I show no respect for Cerberus supporters, because they deserve none.

[SandTrout]

Considering that you advocate the submission of your own species to the whims of other species who's sole qualifying characteristic is that they achieved space-travel first (completely separate from the Cerberus issue), you don't have a lot of leverage to throw around when it comes to who deserves respect, SWM.

[Dave of Canada]

Someone With Mass wrote...

My petty vendetta?

Yes, your petty vendetta. The petty vendetta which makes you incapable of realizing everything you just wrote has been answered countless times through multiple threads which you took part in, you just refuse to accept the answer and when your logic is flawed (and you get called out on it) you resort to insults and say something along the lines of "I don't care what some armchair idiots on the internet think".

Replace "armchair idiots" with "twerp" for variety, those tend to be your favorites.

I show no respect for Cerberus supporters, because they deserve none.

You show no respect to anybody who disagrees with you, that's why they "deserve" none.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 26 septembre 2011 - 10:57 .

[TobyHasEyes]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

My petty vendetta?

Yes, your petty vendetta. The petty vendetta which makes you incapable of realizing everything you just wrote has been answered countless times through multiple threads which you took part in, you just refuse to accept the answer and when your logic is flawed (and you get called out on it) you resort to insults and say something along the lines of "I don't care what some armchair idiots on the internet think".

Replace "armchair idiots" with "twerp" for variety, those tend to be your favorites.

I show no respect for Cerberus supporters, because they deserve none.

You show no respect to anybody who disagrees with you, that's why they "deserve" none.

 Whereas those who support Cerberus have a solid reputation for respectful debate with those they disagree with?

 Come on, all topics that reach this length (short of those character threads elsewhere) have rash and personal posts from people of all persuasions

 Hence why it does seem topics should have an expiry date

Modifié par TobyHasEyes, 26 septembre 2011 - 11:46 .

[AlexXIV]

TobyHasEyes wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

My petty vendetta?

Yes, your petty vendetta. The petty vendetta which makes you incapable of realizing everything you just wrote has been answered countless times through multiple threads which you took part in, you just refuse to accept the answer and when your logic is flawed (and you get called out on it) you resort to insults and say something along the lines of "I don't care what some armchair idiots on the internet think".

Replace "armchair idiots" with "twerp" for variety, those tend to be your favorites.

I show no respect for Cerberus supporters, because they deserve none.

You show no respect to anybody who disagrees with you, that's why they "deserve" none.

 Whereas those who support Cerberus have a solid reputation for respectful debate with those they disagree with?

 Come on, all topics that reach this length (short of those character threads elsewhere) have rash and personal posts from people of all persuasions

 Hence why it does seem topics should have an expiry date

It does have an expiry date. Just not expiring in the near future.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Still championing the cause of trolling?
Get a life SWM.

Says the pathetic armchair warrior who's not wasting any second to try and make fun of my comments with puny insults. 

Not so fun when you're on the receiving end, huh?

Ah, right where I left you two. 

Carry on.

[Aeowyn]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Considering your tendency to insult anybody who supports Cerberus due to your petty vendetta, I assume he (and anybody else who supports Cerberus) knows how it feels to be on the "receiving end" of your repetitive posts.

My petty vendetta? The whole galaxy will be a better place with Cerberus gone. No more idiots who jeopardizes the safety of communications networks or preforms sadistic experiments because they think it's somehow necessary to inject a soldier with thresher acid, even if they can get even better results if they started behaving like a modern scientist instead of someone who's stuck in the 40's with no way of analyzing the particles of the acids instead.

Not to mention that they're trying to play God by detonating eezo refineries to try and get some human biotics by killing dozens of ordinary humans. Just because they think they should challenge every race in every field with their sloppy guesswork.

I show no respect for Cerberus supporters, because they deserve none.

Yes because Cerberus were the only ones doing that.

[Dean_the_Young]

TobyHasEyes wrote...

 Whereas those who support Cerberus have a solid reputation for respectful debate with those they disagree with?

I'll challenge you to find  where Dave has made similar unprovoked personal attacks like SWM does regularly.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 26 septembre 2011 - 12:38 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

AlexXIV wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
I could care less what the redicolous label for the decision is. Real-life has no such labels, and I do not let them control me. Morals? Moral compass? Dont' make me laugh....

Keeping the base is the most logical decision. The smartest decision one can make at that point. It's made for the benefit of the whole galaxy.
Regardless of how it plays out, that is one thing that is without doubt.

Now, when the galaxy is burning around you, I'm sure you can take comfort in knowing you fed your own broken ego.

Keeping the base would be a smart decision if you could keep it under control or maybe Council or be it only Alliance control. But handing it to Cerberus, a supposed illegal/terrorist organisation? Well shady at least. I would say that this is quite the leap of faith. Even if they are doing the right thing in ME2, and even if Shep owes them his/her life. And even if Liara gave Shep's body to them (something I still can't understand).

It makes no real difference. You think the Alliance or council are better? Their scientists havn't been shown to be any more competent in that regard.
Leap of faith? No, not really. Ceberus up untill that point fought the reapers and worked in the interested of humantiy wihout exception. Over 20 years of consistent behavior. Assuming they'd betray everyone is a leap of faith in this case. Why would they?

And assuming they do betray you - then the technology would still be there, where you could reach it. Cerberus would research it, document it. And you could take it from them. Far easier and better than trying to take it from the reapers, no?

Either way, by saving the base, you ensure the data/technology is still out there.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

I show no respect for Cerberus supporters, because they deserve none.

I show no respect for idiots, because they deserve none.

See how easy it is to throw around stupid generalizations?

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 26 septembre 2011 - 01:07 .