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[Labrev]

Honestly, that to me was just the look of a man who got a base full of Collector tech. I'd probably have the same look on my face as well.

He said it himself, it could be the single greatest discovery since the 'relays. If you think its only significance is for beating the Reapers, you are mistaken.

[SandTrout]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Honestly, that to me was just the look of a man who got a base full of Collector tech. I'd probably have the same look on my face as well.

He said it himself, it could be the single greatest discovery since the 'relays. If you think its only significance is for beating the Reapers, you are mistaken.

Of course its significance goes beyond the Reapers, but at the time, we had every reason to believe that TIM would use it against the Reapers.

[Labrev]

We still do now anyway. TIM is not indoctrinated.

[SandTrout]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

We still do now anyway. TIM is not indoctrinated.

That has not been explicitly stated. I forget the exact quote, but it was something alon the lines of "TIM wasn't your enemy all along," which simply means that he was not indoctrinated in ME2, but it does not preclude any posibilities from ME3.

Right now with have two sets of apparently contradictory data.

1) From our experience in ME2, TIM is about as dedicated of a ally against the Reapers as we can expect from anyone because his goals are mutually exclusive with the Reapers'.

2) Cerberus forces are trying to kill you on a regular basis and protecting Reaper assets for reasons unknown.

[Lotion Soronarr]

IIRC; it has been explicitly stated. In an interview or a tweet. Can't recall which exactly.

[Ieldra]

SandTrout wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

We still do now anyway. TIM is not indoctrinated.

That has not been explicitly stated. I forget the exact quote, but it was something alon the lines of "TIM wasn't your enemy all along," which simply means that he was not indoctrinated in ME2, but it does not preclude any posibilities from ME3.

Right now with have two sets of apparently contradictory data.

1) From our experience in ME2, TIM is about as dedicated of a ally against the Reapers as we can expect from anyone because his goals are mutually exclusive with the Reapers'.

2) Cerberus forces are trying to kill you on a regular basis and protecting Reaper assets for reasons unknown.

Mac Walters said TIM will be "still very much himself" and wasn't "an enemy all along", but also that there have been "influences in his life". That would rule out indoctrination. That contact with the Reaper artifact likely has some subtle influence on him, but which form that influence takes remains a mystery. It might pervert his cause or focus it, it might also do nothing but giving him knowledge. 

As for the Reaper assets Cerberus is supposedly protecting, it could be that they're Cerberus assets, made from Reaper technology but serving Cerberus' purposes. The Shepard hunt remains the weirdest part. It doesn't appear to make sense.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 20 octobre 2011 - 08:00 .

[SandTrout]

As for the Reaper assets Cerberus is supposedly protecting, it could be that they're Cerberus assets, made from Reaper technology but serving Cerberus' purposes. The Shepard hunt remains the weirdest part. It doesn't appear to make sense.

I actually meant the Ranoch scene where the Normandy does a bomb-drop on a "Reaper base" that stands up and starts chasing Shepard and Legion. There were Cerberus troops guarding the facility, which turned out to be a Reaper.

[Dean_the_Young]

Personally, my first thought after seeing that was 'why couldn't we have sealed the blast door and trapped the Reaper?'

I mean, trapped Reaper? Easy to study? Anyone?

[SandTrout]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Personally, my first thought after seeing that was 'why couldn't we have sealed the blast door and trapped the Reaper?'

I mean, trapped Reaper? Easy to study? Anyone?

I really hope you're being facetious here.

[Dean_the_Young]

Think like a Cerberus scientist, Trout.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 20 octobre 2011 - 02:57 .

[SandTrout]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Think like a Cerberus scientist, Trout.

I like by internal organs in their current arangement, so no, thanks.

More to the point, I severely doubt that a blast-door of any type would be able to hold a Reaper for any amount of time. If it wanted out, it could create a warp-field to decintigrate anything it close range.

[Dean_the_Young]

SandTrout wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Think like a Cerberus scientist, Trout.

I like by internal organs in their current arangement, so no, thanks.

More to the point, I severely doubt that a blast-door of any type would be able to hold a Reaper for any amount of time.

I'd disagree. Reapers are strong, but not infinite force devices.

If it wanted out, it could create a warp-field to decintigrate anything it close range.

Can Reapers do that? I don't think 'warp tech' is something that really goes in the ME universe.

That'd certainly be an ability worth the test to find out. And if we can devise tests to help us build warp-field defenses...

[SandTrout]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Can Reapers do that? I don't think 'warp tech' is something that really goes in the ME universe.

That'd certainly be an ability worth the test to find out. And if we can devise tests to help us build warp-field defenses...

Really?

You're better than this, Dean.

[Dean_the_Young]

SandTrout wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Can Reapers do that? I don't think 'warp tech' is something that really goes in the ME universe.

That'd certainly be an ability worth the test to find out. And if we can devise tests to help us build warp-field defenses...

Really?

You're better than this, Dean.

Oh, you meant biotics.

I was thinking 'alternative sci-fi tech V'. Mass Effect doesn't have 'warp field defenses.' It has warp as a specific biotic power, it has biotic barriers, and other biotic abilities...

Now, the next question: do Reapers themselves even have biotics? Or is that something they leave to their minions, while they themselves use e-zero core mass effect tech fields? That would be worth finding out.

[SandTrout]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Oh, you meant biotics.

I was thinking 'alternative sci-fi tech V'. Mass Effect doesn't have 'warp field defenses.' It has warp as a specific biotic power, it has biotic barriers, and other biotic abilities...

Now, the next question: do Reapers themselves even have biotics? Or is that something they leave to their minions, while they themselves use e-zero core mass effect tech fields? That would be worth finding out.

Biotics are identicle in principal as using an eezo core based ME field. The only difference is that a ship has a core, and a biotic has eezo nodules within their nervous system.

Disruptor toporpedoes opperate on the same principal as the biotic warp power, so I don't see any reason why the most advanced ME useing species in the galaxy would not be able to manipulate their mass-effect core in a similar manner.

[Dean_the_Young]

Well, mass effect cores are different from specialized weapons. And there's the matter of proximity: sure, a disruptor torpedoe might (might) be able to break any door... but it might break you as well.

Biotics and E-zero tech have been used in different ways. I can't think of a non-organic biotic 'pull' or 'throw' example, for example. It's the sci-fi from the fantasy separation.

[SandTrout]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Well, mass effect cores are different from specialized weapons. And there's the matter of proximity: sure, a disruptor torpedoe might (might) be able to break any door... but it might break you as well.

Biotics and E-zero tech have been used in different ways. I can't think of a non-organic biotic 'pull' or 'throw' example, for example. It's the sci-fi from the fantasy separation.

Range is apparently a big issue making ship-to-ship use of ME base weapons impractical. Remember that 'close' range for ships is measured in kilometers, compared to infantry combat that is fequently within a few meters.

As for examples of technologically based 'Push' and 'Pull':

Codex...

The Tantalus drive generates mass concentrations that the Normandy
"falls into", allowing her to move without the use of heat-emitting
thrusters.

[Dean_the_Young]

SandTrout wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Well, mass effect cores are different from specialized weapons. And there's the matter of proximity: sure, a disruptor torpedoe might (might) be able to break any door... but it might break you as well.

Biotics and E-zero tech have been used in different ways. I can't think of a non-organic biotic 'pull' or 'throw' example, for example. It's the sci-fi from the fantasy separation.

Range is apparently a big issue making ship-to-ship use of ME base weapons impractical. Remember that 'close' range for ships is measured in kilometers, compared to infantry combat that is fequently within a few meters.

Of course. But in the case of the blast-doors restraining a Reaper, we would be talking meters, not kilometers. Can disrupter torpedoes be used that close?

As for examples of technologically based 'Push' and 'Pull':

Codex...

The Tantalus drive generates mass concentrations that the Normandy
"falls into", allowing her to move without the use of heat-emitting
thrusters.

Which is nowhere near comparable in effect to the biotic push/pull abilities. The normandy drive is compared to 'falling into' a gravity well... which might be the same concept, but dramatically different to biotic abilities.

[SandTrout]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Well, mass effect cores are different from specialized weapons. And there's the matter of proximity: sure, a disruptor torpedoe might (might) be able to break any door... but it might break you as well.

Biotics and E-zero tech have been used in different ways. I can't think of a non-organic biotic 'pull' or 'throw' example, for example. It's the sci-fi from the fantasy separation.

Range is apparently a big issue making ship-to-ship use of ME base weapons impractical. Remember that 'close' range for ships is measured in kilometers, compared to infantry combat that is fequently within a few meters.

Of course. But in the case of the blast-doors restraining a Reaper, we would be talking meters, not kilometers. Can disrupter torpedoes be used that close?

The topedoes themself provide most effect at their point of impact, so the concept is most certainly feasable at the ranges that we're talking about. Since disruption fields (IE: Biotic Warp) can be used without destroying the source, then there is no reason that a Reaper could not pull off a similar feat with its own mass-effect core to create a very localized effect.

As for examples of technologically based 'Push' and 'Pull':

Codex...

The Tantalus drive generates mass concentrations that the Normandy
"falls into", allowing her to move without the use of heat-emitting
thrusters.

Which is nowhere near comparable in effect to the biotic push/pull abilities. The normandy drive is compared to 'falling into' a gravity well... which might be the same concept, but dramatically different to biotic abilities.

No, it is identicle in function. It is "pulling" the ship via ME field, just like biotic pull does. The fact that this occurs in space simply means that harm to the ship is not likely to occur from impacting a wall, and thrust is never lost, if needed, as it is with bipedal organics.