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[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Seboist wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

No,most renegades here are zealots that refuse to accept any choice but their own as logical,no matter how good the argument.

When we finally see a logical argument we'll concede.

Go back and read FishScouts argument.

Not accepting logic=/= logic not being there

[Lotion Soronarr]

TobyHasEyes wrote...

@ Lotion Soronnar

 It is not universal law that the strong dominate, nor is it a law of logic that it is always to their advantage to dominate

 The reason we have evolved as social beings with co-dependence is that survival pressures meant at some point there was a strong benefit to co-operation. That evolutionary history has left us with emotive responses against actions which, though they may benefit me as an individual, would harm others, That is why there are numerous examples in great apes and ourselves of people sacrificing their own interests and even life for others

 Strength may be the best defence, but there is strength in unity. 

 That the whole history of humanity tesitifies to that real politik view is an outdated view, grossly outdated. I don't think you are being stupid for assuming that the other races will attempt to dominate, but I disagree that it is a necessary truth that they will

Then you are ignorant of the way the world works.
Dominance isn't in the past. It's just that in modern times, it's hidden behind smiling faces and fair sounding words and catch phrases.
It's wrapped upin a nicer looking package and hidden better. But it's still there.

What if i told you my own country was basicly bullied into signing an unfavorable trade agreement with country X (which shall not be named), because if we didn't they would made our entry into EM more difficult? What is that if not domination?

And you are missing the point wiht your pargraph about evolution. Unitiy is well and nice and it works. Especially among small groups or individuals. But nations are a diffferent things alltogether.

Relly.. do you belive POLITICIANS of another nations have the best interest of your country at heart?

[Pulletlamer]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Not accepting logic =/= logic not being there

This pretty much sums up the thread for me.

[Seboist]

marshalleck wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

No,most renegades here are zealots that refuse to accept any choice but their own as logical,no matter how good the argument.

When we finally see a logical argument we'll concede.

 I won't let fear compromise who I am!

*blows up the base*

I'm gonna win this war and i'll do it without sacrificing the soul of my species!

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Seboist wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

No,most renegades here are zealots that refuse to accept any choice but their own as logical,no matter how good the argument.

When we finally see a logical argument we'll concede.

 I won't let fear compromise who I am!

*blows up the base*

I'm gonna win this war and i'll do it without sacrificing the soul of my species!

This is why these debates go nowhere,you let bad writing make you think that was the reason we blew up the base,what shepard says and why I blew up the base have nothing to do with each other,would you have rather watched a 15 minute movie of Shepard explaining to TIM that he can go **** himself?

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 02 août 2011 - 05:00 .

[Seboist]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Seboist wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

No,most renegades here are zealots that refuse to accept any choice but their own as logical,no matter how good the argument.

When we finally see a logical argument we'll concede.

 I won't let fear compromise who I am!

*blows up the base*

I'm gonna win this war and i'll do it without sacrificing the soul of my species!

This is why these debates go nowhere,you let bad writing make you think that was the reason we blew up the base,what shepard says and why I blew up the base have nothing to do with each other,would you have rather watched a 15 minute movie of Shepard explaining to TIM that he can go **** himself?

I kept the base and my Shepard STILL said it due to the misleading dialogue wheel options.

[marshalleck]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Seboist wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

No,most renegades here are zealots that refuse to accept any choice but their own as logical,no matter how good the argument.

When we finally see a logical argument we'll concede.

 I won't let fear compromise who I am!

*blows up the base*

I'm gonna win this war and i'll do it without sacrificing the soul of my species!

This is why these debates go nowhere,you let bad writing make you think that was the reason we blew up the base,what shepard says and why I blew up the base have nothing to do with each other,would you have rather watched a 15 minute movie of Shepard explaining to TIM that he can go **** himself?

Oh, but if Renegades choose to keep the base it's because they're Space-Na.zis interested in subjugating the rest of the galaxy based on TIM's "securing dominance against Reapers and beyond" comment right? 

[Lotion Soronarr]

Seboist wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

No,most renegades here are zealots that refuse to accept any choice but their own as logical,no matter how good the argument.

When we finally see a logical argument we'll concede.

 I won't let fear compromise who I am!

*blows up the base*

I'm gonna win this war and i'll do it without sacrificing the soul of my species!

I won't let fear (of the reapers) compromise who I am!  - yet I'm willing to let the fear of (Cerberus) compromise who I am!


I won't sacrifice the sould of my speciies! Even tough I have no idea how that woud happen in the first place...Bu I am willing to sacrifime my entier species (and all others in the galaxy) to satisfy my petty morals and my ego!

[Seboist]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

I'll concede when I see a logical argument for giving the base to terrorists.

It's a good thing we don't give the base to terrorists ain't it?

[Someone With Mass]

Seboist wrote...

It's a good thing we don't give the base to terrorists ain't it?

The rest of the galaxy disagrees.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

marshalleck wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Seboist wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

No,most renegades here are zealots that refuse to accept any choice but their own as logical,no matter how good the argument.

When we finally see a logical argument we'll concede.

 I won't let fear compromise who I am!

*blows up the base*

I'm gonna win this war and i'll do it without sacrificing the soul of my species!

This is why these debates go nowhere,you let bad writing make you think that was the reason we blew up the base,what shepard says and why I blew up the base have nothing to do with each other,would you have rather watched a 15 minute movie of Shepard explaining to TIM that he can go **** himself?

Oh, but if Renegades choose to keep the base it's because they're Space-Na.zis interested in subjugating the rest of the galaxy based on TIM's "securing dominance against Reapers and beyond" comment right? 

Eh,I'm not part of the space **** argument,personally I beleive TIM is Lex Luthor,though he does run his organization like Hitler....

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

The rest of the galaxy disagrees.

The rest of the galaxy can kiss humanity's collective ass.

Yeah after we take your advice and volunteer for reaper duty...

[marshalleck]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...
though he does run his organization like Hitler....

Hitler structured his Third Reich into autonomous, independent cells? 

Modifié par marshalleck, 02 août 2011 - 05:08 .

[Seboist]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Seboist wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

I'll concede when I see a logical argument for giving the base to terrorists.

It's a good thing we don't give the base to terrorists ain't it?

Then who are you giving it to, then?

An anti-Reaper human survivalist group.

[TobyHasEyes]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Seboist wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

I'll concede when I see a logical argument for giving the base to terrorists.

It's a good thing we don't give the base to terrorists ain't it?

Then who are you giving it to, then?

 A terrorist is someone who attacks innocents in a country so as to force the governments/nations involved to change their policy, out of fear that their population will continue to suffer such attacks

 So though Cerberus are many things, they are not specifically terrorists

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

marshalleck wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...
though he does run his organization like Hitler....

Hitler structured his Third Reich into autonomous, independent cells? 

See, this is why Godwin's Law originally came about. 

Well,not exactly like Hitler,I was refering to the all info eventually gets fed back to him. I probably should have specified instead of that gross oversimplification.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 02 août 2011 - 05:09 .

[marshalleck]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...
though he does run his organization like Hitler....

Hitler structured his Third Reich into autonomous, independent cells? 

See, this is why Godwin's Law originally came about. 

Well,not exactly like Hitler,I was refering to the all info eventually gets fed back to him. I probably should have specified instead of that gross oversimplification.

I should think it natural that ''all info" should eventually get back to the leader of an organization or nation, although if that's all it requires for someone to "be like Hitler" then the world is in deep trouble.  

Modifié par marshalleck, 02 août 2011 - 05:12 .

[marshalleck]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Seboist wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Seboist wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

I'll concede when I see a logical argument for giving the base to terrorists.

It's a good thing we don't give the base to terrorists ain't it?

Then who are you giving it to, then?

An anti-Reaper human survivalist group.

*checks the things that Cerberus has done*

My response

When did Cerberus ever use high-profile attacks in conjunction with media frenzy scare tactics to influence the actions of governing bodies? 

"Terrorist" and "terrorism" have become emotional buzzwords used to invoke irrational feelings of panic and terror by the very people who bandy the terms about. 

You might as well start posting a color-coded Cerberus Threat Chart next.

Modifié par marshalleck, 02 août 2011 - 05:15 .

[Someone With Mass]

Seboist wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Seboist wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

I'll concede when I see a logical argument for giving the base to terrorists.

It's a good thing we don't give the base to terrorists ain't it?

Then who are you giving it to, then?

An anti-Reaper human survivalist group.

That'd be easier to believe if the Cerberus antagonists in the books weren't such blatant racists.