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[Shimmer_Gloom]

lol if you build three boats that sink you are a really crappy shipbuilder. Boats need to at least float. At the very least.

This seems to be Cerberus's problem by the way. Sure we violate human and alien rights all the time... but look at the other stuff we do!

Its that first part that people have a problem with. So. Yeah. That was actually an excellent analogy Lotion!

Back to agreeing on some basic precepts though. Can we at least agree that calling Cerberus a terrorist organization is valid? Because if it looks like a terrorist and acts like a terrorists...

I mean, this isn't to say that one can never work with terrorists when facing a threat to all organic life on the galaxy. But lets at least agree that Cerberus are terrorists right?

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

TL;DR
Also,please tell how the decision could not involve Cerberus seeing how the options are

Give it to them
Not give it to them

Also...I respect your faith in TIM and Cerberus,but the simple matter is you only see their failures,so how is it not logical to base a decision of that? You are given sufficient evidence to show that they are collosal failures,or at least always have near-misses.

Because:

A) they're not only faliures. EDI, Normandy2, Lazarus, human biotics are some of the fully sucesfull ones for starters.

Sheppard only gets called in to deal with a experiment gone wrong. He's not called to take a sctroll down a cerberus lab to see a experiemnt gone right. You have a number to compare to nothing.

If I decide to design and build my own boats..and I build 10 of them. 3 of htem sinks and I call you to help me pull them out of the water. Doee that make me a bad ship builder? You only saw the 3 that sank, so how could you tell?

C) Even when the experiment goes wrong, if the data is saved, the experiment is not a wash. Data is knowledge. Knowledge is the purpose of experiments.

D) We have been shown other factions are just as capable of f***-ups. So who's gonna research it? Do you think tehy have better chances?

E) Cerberus has been dealing with reaper tech longer than anyone, so they have the most experience with it. That makes them the best to actually do the research.

I want you to read what I wrote,and then read what you wrote,then I want you to absorb what was said especially the part about the near misses,you base your argument against blowing up the base on Cerberus' potential sucesses,which besides the 3 that didn't have any chance of negative outcome,you as a player have yet to see,so tell me o master of all things logical,why I can't base my decision on what I as Shepard have seen.

[Someone With Mass]

Well, if two major governments are both calling them terrorists, I'm not going to go against that. Mostly because there's really no point.

Hell, parts of Cerberus admits that they are terrorists.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 03 août 2011 - 12:32 .

[Medhia Nox]

If you're success ratio for boat building was 70% you would be a complete **** boat builder.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 03 août 2011 - 12:30 .

[SandTrout]

Shimmer_Gloom wrote...

@Lotion. There will come a time when you realize how pathetic 'facts' are in the face of real life. Objective Truth is nice ideal but it has no place in reality.

Reality is subjective my friend.

I hope I didn't break your fragile little mind.

This was sarcasm, right? Right?

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Medhia Nox wrote...

If your success ratio for boat building was 70% you would be a complete **** boat builder.

Yeah,most boat/plane/car/motorcycle/or any type of transportation manufacturer for that matter generally strive for 100% success.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 03 août 2011 - 12:44 .

[Shimmer_Gloom]

SandTrout wrote...

Shimmer_Gloom wrote...

@Lotion. There will come a time when you realize how pathetic 'facts' are in the face of real life. Objective Truth is nice ideal but it has no place in reality.

Reality is subjective my friend.

I hope I didn't break your fragile little mind.

This was sarcasm, right? Right?

The bolded part, yes.  But the part where I was trying to impress upon Lotion the failing of 'absolute truth' and 'true objectivity' was serious.

There isn't (likely) ANY absolute truth.  Certianly not in a video game.

And that's fine.  We don't have to strive for absolute truth in life.  Real life is dirty and complicated and shiny absolutes are hard to find.

Lets all play in the muck, shall we?

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Shimmer_Gloom wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

Shimmer_Gloom wrote...

@Lotion. There will come a time when you realize how pathetic 'facts' are in the face of real life. Objective Truth is nice ideal but it has no place in reality.

Reality is subjective my friend.

I hope I didn't break your fragile little mind.

This was sarcasm, right? Right?

The bolded part, yes.  But the part where I was trying to impress upon Lotion the failing of 'absolute truth' and 'true objectivity' was serious.

There isn't (likely) ANY absolute truth.  Certianly not in a video game.

And that's fine.  We don't have to strive for absolute truth in life.  Real life is dirty and complicated and shiny absolutes are hard to find.

Lets all play in the muck, shall we?

You play as a human in ME.
Absolute truth.

[Medhia Nox]

@Humanoid_Typhoon: Thanks for the spelling oversight. I do know the difference.

@Grand_Admiral_Cheesecake: Unless you do not play Mass Effect - in which case, it is not absolute truth. The illustration is only to point out the difficulty of claiming absolute truth.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 03 août 2011 - 01:29 .

[Dave of Canada]

Shimmer_Gloom wrote...

But lets at least agree that Cerberus are terrorists right?

I'd like to hear what they do that's considered terrorism.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Humanoid_Typhoon: Thanks for the spelling oversight. I do know the difference.

@Grand_Admiral_Cheesecake: Unless you do not play Mass Effect - in which case, it is not absolute truth. The illustration is only to point out the difficulty of claiming absolute truth.

It is an absolute truth for Mass Effect.
Here's another one Oxygen exists.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Humanoid_Typhoon: Thanks for the spelling oversight. I do know the difference.

@Grand_Admiral_Cheesecake: Unless you do not play Mass Effect - in which case, it is not absolute truth. The illustration is only to point out the difficulty of claiming absolute truth.

Didn't mean to bold it <_<
also ha logicbomb.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...
It is an absolute truth for Mass Effect.
Here's another one Oxygen exists.

Yes and the Earth is flat round.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...
It is an absolute truth for Mass Effect.
Here's another one Oxygen exists.

Yes and the Earth is flat round.

Actually it's a shpere.

[Shimmer_Gloom]

@Grand Admiral:

Is Shepard Human? How does one measure 'humanity'? Does being nitted together from machine parts and labgrown tissue count as being human? Does the fact that she is part Reaper tech complicate the issue?

I can do this all day.

[didymos1120]

Shimmer_Gloom wrote...
 Does the fact that she is part Reaper tech complicate the issue?

That ain't fact.  It's fanon.

[didymos1120]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...
It is an absolute truth for Mass Effect.
Here's another one Oxygen exists.

Yes and the Earth is flat round.

Actually it's a shpere.

Actually, it's an oblate spheroid....approximately. 

[Shimmer_Gloom]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Shimmer_Gloom wrote...

But lets at least agree that Cerberus are terrorists right?

I'd like to hear what they do that's considered terrorism.

There isn't a clear cut definition for terrorism, leagally.  But a good definition would be 'Non-state or subnational entities commiting acts of violence against a state.'  Which is pretty broad, but I'm okay with broad terms.

Cerberus is not aligned with any government per say.  So I think it's okay to call them a 'non-state entity'

Here's some acts of violence:

Deliberately destroyed a settlement on Chasca by turning them into husks.

Thresher Maw on Akuze (yeah THAT Thresher Maw, the one Shep can be a Lone survivor of).

Assassination of Cluade Mannue.

These are just off the top of my head.  We can also add the expirenments they did on humans and Geth.  Remember Overlord?  Praggia?  Definate human right violations there.

[Shimmer_Gloom]

didymos1120 wrote...

Shimmer_Gloom wrote...
 Does the IMPLICATION that she is part Reaper tech complicate the issue?

That ain't fact.  It's fanon.

Fixed.  Can we stop taking pot shots at my wording and adress my main point?

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Shimmer_Gloom wrote...

@Grand Admiral:

Is Shepard Human? How does one measure 'humanity'? Does being nitted together from machine parts and labgrown tissue count as being human? Does the fact that she is part Reaper tech complicate the issue?

I can do this all day.

Yep.

[didymos1120]

Shimmer_Gloom wrote...

There isn't a clear cut definition for terrorism, leagally.  But a good definition would be 'Non-state or subnational entities commiting acts of violence against a state.'  Which is pretty broad, but I'm okay with broad terms.

Don't you think the actual use of terror as a means of attaining one's political/ideological goals is something that ought to part of the definition of terrorism?  Your definition can be stretched to cover practically any criminal activity.

[Sisterofshane]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Shimmer_Gloom wrote...
 my friend.

I'm not your freind buddy.

I'm not your buddy, pal!

lol, couldn't resist!