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[Lotion Soronarr]

dreman9999 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Ironicly, Cerberuses agressive approach to research is just what the galaxy needs.

We don't have time to waste, we need results yesterday!


On another note, how hard would it have been for Bio to hire a few people to go trough their plot/story/script? Tell them you'll pay 5$ for every inconsistency/plot hole/ thing that doesn't make sese..
You'd be surprised to quickly you can improve on the script. The story is full of things that are there for drama, but make no actual sense - when it's perfectly possible to have both.

The only plot whole in ME were only with Jacobs mission and Verren armor protection.<_<

Oh, there's plenty more for anyone who pays attention....

[khordlambert]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Ironicly, Cerberuses agressive approach to research is just what the galaxy needs.

We don't have time to waste, we need results yesterday!


On another note, how hard would it have been for Bio to hire a few people to go trough their plot/story/script? Tell them you'll pay 5$ for every inconsistency/plot hole/ thing that doesn't make sese..
You'd be surprised to quickly you can improve on the script. The story is full of things that are there for drama, but make no actual sense - when it's perfectly possible to have both.

The only plot whole in ME were only with Jacobs mission and Verren armor protection.<_<

Oh, there's plenty more for anyone who pays attention....

Then please provide us with a few, oh supporter of self rightious nutcases. (Not calling you a Nutcase. You just seem to have a habit of throwing your hat in with unbalanced zealots Lotion.)

Modifié par khordlambert, 03 août 2011 - 01:00 .

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
That's very common in the military.

That's the problem. Cerberus is not a military like the Alliance. 

Former Black Ops.. They basicly are.

Even so, there's no point in withholding information that Shepard could've really benefited from.

Absolutely none.

Because it's clear that Cerberus isn't following military rules at all.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
That's very common in the military.

That's the problem. Cerberus is not a military like the Alliance. 

Former Black Ops.. They basicly are.

Even so, there's no point in withholding information that Shepard could've really benefited from.

Absolutely none.

Because it's clear that Cerberus isn't following military rules at all.

Ever heard of hte phrase "you'll be informed on a need-to-know basis"?
Guess what, military tells as much as they tihnk it's neccesary for you know. No more.

Besides, there is a point. The collectors are prearing a trap. It they think you know, they might blow the whole tihng off and your chance to get their vital info and tech is gone.
If Shep does anything to aruse theri suspicion, the whole mission could fail.

The best way to avoid Shep doing something stupid, is to not tell him in the first place. That way he'll act natural.
Or he could tell you and hope neither Shep nor any other crew member does something to tip them off. But that's taking an unnecesssry risk.

Plus he gave you EDI, knowing the collectors wouldn't be ready for her/it, thus giving you a way out of the trap. He get his bases covered.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 03 août 2011 - 01:23 .

[Sebby]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
That's very common in the military.

That's the problem. Cerberus is not a military like the Alliance. 

Former Black Ops.. They basicly are.

Even so, there's no point in withholding information that Shepard could've really benefited from.

Absolutely none.

Because it's clear that Cerberus isn't following military rules at all.

Ever heard of hte phrase "you'll be informed on a need-to-know basis"?
Guess what, military tells as much as they tihnk it's neccesary for you know. No more.

Besides, there is a point. The collectors are prearing a trap. It they think you know, they might blow the whole tihng off and your chance to get their vital info and tech is gone.
If Shep does anything to aruse theri suspicion, the whole mission could fail.

The best way to avoid Shep doing something stupid, is to not tell him in the first place. That way he'll act natural.
Or he could tell you and hope neither Shep nor any other crew member does something to tip them off. But that's taking an unnecesssry risk.

Plus he gave you EDI, knowing the collectors wouldn't be ready for her/it, thus giving you a way out of the trap. He get his bases covered.

Indeed, TIM is a brilliant strategist and considering Shepard has been proven to have the IQ of an empty beer bottle by saying stupid **** like comparing the genophage to the FCW it was for the best that s/he wasn't informed of the trap beforehand.

[Lotion Soronarr]

khordlambert wrote...
Then please provide us with a few, oh supporter of self rightious nutcases. (Not calling you a Nutcase. You just seem to have a habit of throwing your hat in with unbalanced zealots Lotion.)

I though several were mentioned already here so far? And on various other threads to boot.

And me throwing my hat in with self-righteous, unbalanced zealots? Hehe..the irony.

I throw my hat in with people that make more sense and present better arguments. Your accusation has missed the mark by a looooong shot.

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Ever heard of hte phrase "you'll be informed on a need-to-know basis"?
Guess what, military tells as much as they tihnk it's neccesary for you know. No more.

Besides, there is a point. The collectors are prearing a trap. It they think you know, they might blow the whole tihng off and your chance to get their vital info and tech is gone.
If Shep does anything to aruse theri suspicion, the whole mission could fail.

The best way to avoid Shep doing something stupid, is to not tell him in the first place. That way he'll act natural.
Or he could tell you and hope neither Shep nor any other crew member does something to tip them off. But that's taking an unnecesssry risk.

Plus he gave you EDI, knowing the collectors wouldn't be ready for her/it, thus giving you a way out of the trap. He get his bases covered.

Shepard acting stupid because he has more information? I'm sorry, but I don't believe it, just because The Delusive Man said it. If he'd told Shepard the truth during the mission briefing on the transmission that can't be intercepted, it wouldn't have caused any harm.

Because God forbids that Shepard is prepared for something and acts on trustworthy information, right?

No, loosely based garbage that leads to nothing is where it's at.

[Someone With Mass]

Seboist wrote...
Indeed, TIM is a brilliant strategist and considering Shepard has been proven to have the IQ of an empty beer bottle by saying stupid **** like comparing the genophage to the FCW it was for the best that s/he wasn't informed of the trap beforehand.

Yeah, TIM is so smart. That's why he let the fate of the Collector base rest in Shepard's hands or just let the several experiments go horribly wrong, so Shepard can clean it up and yet again, hold the fate of the projects in his/her hands.

TIM couldn't even plan his way out of a Styro foam box.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Ever heard of hte phrase "you'll be informed on a need-to-know basis"?
Guess what, military tells as much as they tihnk it's neccesary for you know. No more.

Besides, there is a point. The collectors are prearing a trap. It they think you know, they might blow the whole tihng off and your chance to get their vital info and tech is gone.
If Shep does anything to aruse theri suspicion, the whole mission could fail.

The best way to avoid Shep doing something stupid, is to not tell him in the first place. That way he'll act natural.
Or he could tell you and hope neither Shep nor any other crew member does something to tip them off. But that's taking an unnecesssry risk.

Plus he gave you EDI, knowing the collectors wouldn't be ready for her/it, thus giving you a way out of the trap. He get his bases covered.

Shepard acting stupid because he has more information? I'm sorry, but I don't believe it, just because The Delusive Man said it. If he'd told Shepard the truth during the mission briefing on the transmission that can't be intercepted, it wouldn't have caused any harm.

Because God forbids that Shepard is prepared for something and acts on trustworthy information, right?

No, loosely based garbage that leads to nothing is where it's at.

That's YOUR assumption that Shep (or any other member of his crew..or should shep keep that info secret? If he does, is he any better then?) wont' do anything stupid.

TIM doesn't know that... and it's a risk that he can't control. By not telling him he removed that risk.

He did create another risk - a risk that Shep might not get out of heh trap. But that is of secondary concern to getting the data, and he did migitate that risk by having given Shep a capable team, ship and EDI.

The Collectors were drawing Shep in. the deeper one penetrates, the more tim EDI has, the mode data can be collected. And that is the name of the game here. Had the collectors supsected something, they might have spruing their trap early, depriving you of vital data. and you can't stop them without data.

To put it simply, getting that data is more importnat than Sheppards surivial.
Therefore, increasing the chances of aquireing data is worth slightly lowering Sheps cances of getting out of hte trap.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Seboist wrote...
Indeed, TIM is a brilliant strategist and considering Shepard has been proven to have the IQ of an empty beer bottle by saying stupid **** like comparing the genophage to the FCW it was for the best that s/he wasn't informed of the trap beforehand.

Yeah, TIM is so smart. That's why he let the fate of the Collector base rest in Shepard's hands or just let the several experiments go horribly wrong, so Shepard can clean it up and yet again, hold the fate of the projects in his/her hands.

TIM couldn't even plan his way out of a Styro foam box.

Yes, TIM assumed Sheppard was smart enough and serious about the repaer threat..that was obviously a big mistake.

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...


That's YOUR assumption that Shep (or any other member of his crew..or should shep keep that info secret? If he does, is he any better then?) wont' do anything stupid.

TIM doesn't know that... and it's a risk that he can't control. By not telling him he removed that risk.

He did create another risk - a risk that Shep might not get out of heh trap. But that is of secondary concern to getting the data, and he did migitate that risk by having given Shep a capable team, ship and EDI.

The Collectors were drawing Shep in. the deeper one penetrates, the more tim EDI has, the mode data can be collected. And that is the name of the game here. Had the collectors supsected something, they might have spruing their trap early, depriving you of vital data. and you can't stop them without data.

To put it simply, getting that data is more importnat than Sheppards surivial.
Therefore, increasing the chances of aquireing data is worth slightly lowering Sheps cances of getting out of hte trap.

Okay, then please tell me what it is that Shepard could've done that's so stupid if he/she knew about the trap. Besides being prepared for it.

Because if Shepard was prepared, he/she could've actrually done something good, like...detonating a bomb like the one they dropped on Teltin facility inside the ship after they got what they were there for and where in the clear and not letting the enemy have a tactical advantage. You know, like a real military more than likely would've done.

But I guess plotting and scheming for no good reason is much better.

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Yes, TIM assumed Sheppard was smart enough and serious about the repaer threat..that was obviously a big mistake.

An even bigger mistake would be to trust Cerberus with it, when they have shown absolutely nothing that proves that they are capable of handling the base with care and good reason.

Just like they handled the dead Reaper. Wasn't that great? Throwing away Reaper technology because they weren't thinking (at all) about the indoctrination? Reaper technology that could've given them more than Sovereign did, or even more than what the Collector base might bring to the table.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 03 août 2011 - 02:08 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Yes, TIM assumed Sheppard was smart enough and serious about the repaer threat..that was obviously a big mistake.

An even bigger mistake would be to trust Cerberus with it, when they have shown absolutely nothing that proves that they are capable of handling the base with care and good reason.

Just like they handled the dead Reaper. Wasn't that great? Throwing away Reaper technology because they weren't thinking (at all) about the indoctrination? Reaper technology that could've given them more than Sovereign did, or even more than what the Collector base might bring to the table.

Cerberus is more than capable of handling and evne their faliure is better than the alternative.

And the Derelict Reape again? We've been over this. You've been proven wrong and yet you persist.

It's SHEPARD who was resonsible for destroying the Derelict Reaper.
Not to mentio nthat tehre is no defense agaisnt indoctrination adn there was no reason to think a dead reper was even capable of it..AND the fact taht research was done despite everything and hte Reaper IFF was found and identified.

So...you fail.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 03 août 2011 - 02:19 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...
Okay, then please tell me what it is that Shepard could've done that's so stupid if he/she knew about the trap. Besides being prepared for it.

Because if Shepard was prepared, he/she could've actrually done something good, like...detonating a bomb like the one they dropped on Teltin facility inside the ship after they got what they were there for and where in the clear and not letting the enemy have a tactical advantage. You know, like a real military more than likely would've done.

But I guess plotting and scheming for no good reason is much better.

Shep should have been prepared for the get-go.
It's just common sesne to be prepared for anything when boarding an enemy ship.


As to what Shep and the crew could have done? Lots of thing. Some could have opened fire prematurely in panic, they could have been moving too slow, etc..
anything that arises Collector suspicion would have been enough.

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...


Cerberus is more than capable of handling and evne theri falize is bettr than the alternative.

And the Derelict Reape again? We've been over this. You've been proven wrong and yet you persist.

It's SHEPARD who was resonsible for destroying the Derelict Reaper.
Not to mentio nthat tehre is no defense agaisnt indoctrination adn there was no reason to think a dead reper was even capable of it..AND the fact taht research was done despite everything and hte Reaper IFF was found and identified.

So...you fail.

I was proven wrong? Last time I checked, it was all based on a loose assumption that a dead Reaper can take control over mechs. Which wouldn't be much of a problem to begin with, since mechs can be easily subdued.

You just won't admit that your precious terrorist friends screwed up big time with that Reaper.

[Pulletlamer]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

An even bigger mistake would be to trust Cerberus with it, when they have shown absolutely nothing that proves that they are capable of handling the base with care and good reason.

Just like they handled the dead Reaper. Wasn't that great? Throwing away Reaper technology because they weren't thinking (at all) about the indoctrination? Reaper technology that could've given them more than Sovereign did, or even more than what the Collector base might bring to the table.

Cerberus is more than capable of handling and evne theri falize is bettr than the alternative.

And the Derelict Reape again? We've been over this. You've been proven wrong and yet you persist.

It's SHEPARD who was resonsible for destroying the Derelict Reaper.
Not to mentio nthat tehre is no defense agaisnt indoctrination adn there was no reason to think a dead reper was even capable of it..AND the fact taht research was done despite everything and hte Reaper IFF was found and identified.

So...you fail.

What would have Shepard done on the Derelict Reaper to destroy it, then? I mean, since the Reaper had the Mass Effect field on, the Normandy or Shepard couldn't escape unless they (Shepard squad) destroyed the Reaper Core.

Besides, having your team (Cerberus) indoctrinated and posteriorly huskified isn't a great success. Unless Shepard infiltrated there, there wouldn't also be any viable data about it.

So, no, they're not capable of handling things without them going wrong, or bringing Shepard to save the day (and the data).

Modifié par Pulletlamer, 03 août 2011 - 02:23 .

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

As to what Shep and the crew could have done? Lots of thing. Some could have opened fire prematurely in panic, they could have been moving too slow, etc..
anything that arises Collector suspicion would have been enough.

Yeah...

Weak excuse is weak.

We're talking about the same battle-hardned mercenaries and soldiers, right? Grunt was even born to be the best fighter. And Thane and Kasumi are extremely talented when it comes to infiltration.

Shepard wouldn't pick them up if they were constantly doing rookie mistakes.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 03 août 2011 - 02:26 .

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Face it Someone W/Mass,the only assumptions that are based on "logic and reasoning" and not being an unbalanced zealot are lotions,cause when he assumes it isn't just an asspull.

/Sarcasm.

[Someone With Mass]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Face it Someone W/Mass,the only assumptions that are based on "logic and reasoning" and not being an unbalanced zealot are lotions,cause when he assumes it isn't just an asspull.

/Sarcasm.

I've noticed...

[Lotion Soronarr]

Pulletlamer wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

An even bigger mistake would be to trust Cerberus with it, when they have shown absolutely nothing that proves that they are capable of handling the base with care and good reason.

Just like they handled the dead Reaper. Wasn't that great? Throwing away Reaper technology because they weren't thinking (at all) about the indoctrination? Reaper technology that could've given them more than Sovereign did, or even more than what the Collector base might bring to the table.

Cerberus is more than capable of handling and evne theri falize is bettr than the alternative.

And the Derelict Reape again? We've been over this. You've been proven wrong and yet you persist.

It's SHEPARD who was responsible for destroying the Derelict Reaper.
Not to mention that there is no defense agaisnt indoctrination adn there was no reason to think a dead reper was even capable of it..AND the fact taht research was done despite everything and hte Reaper IFF was found and identified.

So...you fail.

What would have Shepard done on the Derelict Reaper to destroy it, then? I mean, since the Reaper had the Mass Effect field on, the Normandy or Shepard couldn't escape unless they (Shepard squad) destroyed the Reaper Core.

Besides, having your team (Cerberus) indoctrinated and posteriorly huskified isn't a great success. Unless Shepard infiltrated there, there wouldn't also be any viable data about it.

So, no, they're not capable of handling things without them going wrong, or bringing Shepard to save the day (and the data).

Sheppard should have been prepared.
If you claim Cerberus should have anticipated a dead reper could indoctrinate, then Shep should have aniticiapted the deaed reaper could trap them with kinetic barriers..

And why could have they done? Well..perhaps destroy the EMITTERS?


As for the Derelict Reaper, the mission was a sucess. End of discussion.
The scientist got there, analzyied the equipment and identified rhe repaer IFF and gatehred data in the process. That was their purpose their.

And I say again - no known defense against indoctriation and no reason to supsect a dead reaper can indoctrinate.

[Someone With Mass]

Always assume the worst when handling ancient death machines.

That's not really something someone would have to point out, that's common goddamn sense.

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Sheppard should have been prepared.
If you claim Cerberus should have anticipated a dead reper could indoctrinate, then Shep should have aniticiapted the deaed reaper could trap them with kinetic barriers..

And why could have they done? Well..perhaps destroy the EMITTERS?


As for the Derelict Reaper, the mission was a sucess. End of discussion.
The scientist got there, analzyied the equipment and identified rhe repaer IFF and gatehred data in the process. That was their purpose their.

And I say again - no known defense against indoctriation and no reason to supsect a dead reaper can indoctrinate.

Yeah, I wonder why they didn't do that, considering that the mass effect field was the only thing that kept the Reaper from falling into the brown dwarf.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Always assume the worst when handling ancient death machines.

That's not really something someone would have to point out, that's common goddamn sense.

Why doesn't Shep assume it then?

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Always assume the worst when handling ancient death machines.

That's not really something someone would have to point out, that's common goddamn sense.

Why doesn't Shep assume it then?

With what? Indoctrination? It doesn't work that fast, so they'd be relatively safe. Not to mention that I don't think they have the time or supplies to be inside that thing for days. The Cerberus crew obviously did. It's completely their fault that they were indoctrinated.

And how can you not notice something is wrong when the crew is starting to act weird over the course of days?

Not to mention that indoctrination is not very subtle, given how the farmers on Eden prime described it.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Always assume the worst when handling ancient death machines.

That's not really something someone would have to point out, that's common goddamn sense.

Why doesn't Shep assume it then?

With what? Indoctrination? It doesn't work that fast, so they'd be relatively safe. Not to mention that I don't think they have the time or supplies to be inside that thing for days. The Cerberus crew obviously did. It's completely their fault that they were indoctrinated.

And how can you not notice something is wrong when the crew is starting to act weird over the course of days?

Not to mention that indoctrination is not very subtle, given how the farmers on Eden prime described it.

No, with the Reaper not being fully dead and being able to trap them.
Sheppard shold have assumed trpuble. Both there and on the Collector ship.

And like I said for a millionth time - there's NO defense agasint indoctriation. You have to researhc it to find something.

If I was a scientists and knew the reapers were coming, I'd volounteer to study such a device.