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[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote..

So? His scource could be wrong...Lord knows that happens.
That's not a lie then - he's telling you what he belives to be the truth.

Mass Effect: Redemption

He damn well knows Liara isn't working for the Broker.

I actually skimmed trough the comics and can't say I liked them. Crappy writing.
We even know comic writers made a few lore mistakes..so..

I'll stick with the game as my main source of info.

"The only source of info I trust is myself,because I'm never wrong."

[Sebby]

Saphra Deden wrote...

At the start of ME2 Liara wouldn't even be able to point you towards Thane or Samara because neither of them would be on Ilium at that time.

Thane,Samara and the other post-horizon squadmates were originally meant to recruitable from the get-go.

[Sebby]

SandTrout wrote...

@seboist,

The obvious (meta-gaming) answer to why Liara wasn't a main squad member would be to keep her alive for ME3. I get the feeling that was not the kind of answer you were looking for though.

No doubt, it's obvious Liara is the favorite of the devs who has such a degree of plot-armor that it makes even Steven Seagal jealous.

[Sebby]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Seboist wrote...


Thane,Samara and the other post-horizon squadmates were originally meant to recruitable from the get-go.

...but they aren't, so that doesn't mean anything.

Thanks to Xbox.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Seboist wrote...


Thane,Samara and the other post-horizon squadmates were originally meant to recruitable from the get-go.

...but they aren't, so that doesn't mean anything.

Except that it's a plot device...

[dreman9999]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Seboist wrote...


Thane,Samara and the other post-horizon squadmates were originally meant to recruitable from the get-go.

...but they aren't, so that doesn't mean anything.

Except that it's a plot device...

So what?

[didymos1120]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

I actually skimmed trough the comics and can't say I liked them. Crappy writing.
We even know comic writers made a few lore mistakes..so..

I'll stick with the game as my main source of info.

Whether you like 'em or not, they're canon.  As are the novels.  And it's not like there aren't errors in the games themselves.

[didymos1120]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Seboist wrote...


Thane,Samara and the other post-horizon squadmates were originally meant to recruitable from the get-go.

...but they aren't, so that doesn't mean anything.

Except that it's a plot device...

What's a plot device?  The mere fact of them not being recruitable earlier?  That's not what the term means.  TIM saying "Just work on these dossiers for now, I'll have more later" however is a plot device.

Modifié par didymos1120, 04 août 2011 - 05:22 .

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

They didn't want you to keep changing disks,that's why you couldn't recruit them earlier not because they aren't on Illium

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 04 août 2011 - 05:30 .

[Someone With Mass]

didymos1120 wrote...

What's a plot device? The mere fact of them not being recruitable earlier?  That's not what the term means.  TIM saying "Just work on these dossiers for now, I'll have more later" however is a plot device.

You don't really need to recruit Samara or Thane. Especially Thane. He contributes with exactly nothing when it comes to the suicide mission.

Oh, and here's another reason to not give Cerberus the Collector base. The formula for the plague virus that kills almost everything except humans and the vermin vorcha might be there. And they can more than likely alter it, so it's harder to treat.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Seboist wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Seboist wrote...


Thane,Samara and the other post-horizon squadmates were originally meant to recruitable from the get-go.

...but they aren't, so that doesn't mean anything.

Thanks to Xbox.

Thanks to proper game design. Opening the entire game up at the first possibly moment would've been a horrible mistake on part of the team.

Someone With Mass wrote...

Oh, and here's another reason to not give Cerberus the Collector base. The formula for the plague virus that kills almost everything except humans and the vermin vorcha might be there. And they can more than likely alter it, so it's harder to treat.

Hmm, good call. Don't think anyone else brought that up yet.

[didymos1120]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

They didn't want you to keep changing disks,that's why you couldn't recruit them earlier not because they aren't on Illium

Yeah, I know.  That mere fact is not a plot device.  That's a design choice due to technical limitations.  The plot device part is how they explain why you can't go there yet and have to do this other stuff first. 

Modifié par didymos1120, 04 août 2011 - 05:56 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

didymos1120 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

I actually skimmed trough the comics and can't say I liked them. Crappy writing.
We even know comic writers made a few lore mistakes..so..

I'll stick with the game as my main source of info.

Whether you like 'em or not, they're canon.  As are the novels.  And it's not like there aren't errors in the games themselves.

Like Anderson stepping down? Taht in the novels and it isn't canon.

But it's beside the point.
TIM is very capable of lying if it suits his interests. Everyone is.

However, that does not change anything. Lying about one thing does not imply lying about another.

TIM has given me no reason to belive he won't fight against the repears and his behavior and actions have all been in line with his (and other Cerberus personall) stated goal.

[Sebby]

Someone With Mass wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

What's a plot device? The mere fact of them not being recruitable earlier?  That's not what the term means.  TIM saying "Just work on these dossiers for now, I'll have more later" however is a plot device.

Oh, and here's another reason to not give Cerberus the Collector base. The formula for the plague virus that kills almost everything except humans and the vermin vorcha might be there. And they can more than likely alter it, so it's harder to treat.

On the contrary, it gives us a great reason to recruit the Vorcha as a human client race.

[Someone With Mass]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Thanks to proper game design. Opening the entire game up at the first possibly moment would've been a horrible mistake on part of the team.

I think one of the reasons (not saying that it really was, it's just a pure speculation on my part) was because they couldn't think out a good way for Shepard to recruit Legion before the Reaper IFF.

Then again, I have no problem with people being recruited after Horizon. 

[didymos1120]

HomelessGal wrote...

I still think it sucks that you can't get legion without triggering the endgame.

You can, so long as you've got other loyalty missions undone.

Referring back to an earlier part of the discussion, I do think its interesting that as of Invasion, Aria is allowing Cerberus to use Omega as a supply hub on their trips to and from the Omega-4 Relay.

In Retribution, it's explained how TIM and Aria worked that out.

[Sebby]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Seboist wrote...


Thane,Samara and the other post-horizon squadmates were originally meant to recruitable from the get-go.

...but they aren't, so that doesn't mean anything.

Thanks to Xbox.

Thanks to proper game design. Opening the entire game up at the first possibly moment would've been a horrible mistake on part of the team.

Eh, I don't see what would be the issue with being able to recruit whatever order of squadmates before triggering the mandatory missions like Horizon, the Collector ship,etc. It gives the game far more replay value.

[didymos1120]

Someone With Mass wrote...

I think one of the reasons (not saying that it really was, it's just a pure speculation on my part) was because they couldn't think out a good way for Shepard to recruit Legion before the Reaper IFF.

Yeah. Legion wasn't even part of that mission originally.  Apparently, the basis for Legion tagging along was going to the same ("stop Reaper virus") and they realized "Oh, hey: there's a good excuse for the geth to be on the derelict. Let's just fold that recruitment in."

[Someone With Mass]

I even think it's classic game progression. You reach a certain point in the game, and you unlock new areas and new characters.

[didymos1120]

Seboist wrote...

Eh, I don't see what would be the issue with being able to recruit whatever order of squadmates before triggering the mandatory missions like Horizon, the Collector ship,etc. It gives the game far more replay value.

It's bummer for 360 players too, as Legion/Samara/Tali/Thane have full dialogue for the pre-Horizon recruitment missions.  Only Tali has dialogue for Horizon though.

[Sebby]

Cerberus is just another outlaw organization in the Terminus. Aria has an easier time of dealing with them than the Alliance or Council.