Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Sisterofshane wrote...
I have to point this out again - what exactly is the probablility that we will find what we need within such a short time frame?
what time frame? Shep doesn't know when the reapers will arrive when the decision happens. It could be motnhs..it could be years.
We don't know. But we have to try anyway.
No, we cannot say what we will find nor how long will it take. We may find something incredible within weeks...or not.
You'll never know if you don't try.. and you're unlikely to win if you don't use every resource at your disposal.
The point is practicality. How much did we gain from Sovereign? According to you, not enough to win the war. What did we get from the derelict reaper? An IFF. That's it. All of these things took a significant amount of time to research and develop relative to their usefulness.
And is it more likely that we will find crucial knowledge about the Reapers on the collector base, or crucial knowledge on the collectors (who are no longer a threat)?
Besides, in a few of my playthroughs, I play arrival before I play SM (totally possible). In arrival Shep learns that, not only have they been travelling to the Milky Way Galaxy, but they are (close enough to say that they are) already here. From The Alpha Relay, we can imagine that it doesn't take too much longer for them to reach the other systems. One, maybe two years, tops.
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Remember, Harbinger was in direct control of the collector general at the time Shep made the decision to either destroy or keep the base. What makes you think that a hyper-advanced, intelligent machine would just leave without ensuring that, I dunno, that any information that could possibly make it vulnerable wasn't just left laying around?
Sure, there will be some usefulness developed from the tech, but it will take time and resources to research and then reverseve engineer, and then apply it in a practical matter. We don't have time. I would rather devote the time, money, and man power into bolstering what already exists. (Improving current technologies, building ships, training soldiers/crew members, retro-fitting older ships). At least I KNOW that what I am doing will be helpful (if only mildly).
While Harby could have possibly wiped data, teh machienery and the HR remain. Those are great source of knowledge.
As for re-fitting. Cerberus isn't going to be doing that. Alliance and alien shipyards will be doing that. Ther's nothing going to waste - lord knows there's no shortage of scientists.
New weapons? Researching new tech is directly applicable to better weapons.
Great source of knowledge, yes, if we have the time and resources to dedicate to studying such a MASSIVE vessel. Unless there are a few dozen EDI's floating around, this is going to take time, money, and people. A lot of them. (Remember how big collector ship was? Big enough to contain MILLIONS of humans. Collector base is MUCH BIGGER). I'm not saying it's impossible, it's just going to take a long (longer than the two years it took to develop EDI and Thannix from just pieces of Sovereign).
And, it doesn't matter that Cerberus would not be doing the "re-fitting" themselves. They have the CREDITS to do it, and the money can be pushed around by TIM at will to whatever he sees fit, even to legitimate alliance/alien shipyards. In my opinion, it would be a better use of money to ensure that every ship going up to face the Reapers had Thannix cannons, then to search for a supposed Reaper "kill-switch".
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
That being said, though, TIM is a very smart man. He doesn't put "his money where his mouth is", so to speak, unless he is pretty sure that he won't fail. But given all that this thread has discussed, we know that it is wishful thinking, at best, that we will find anything of use on the base. This makes me believe that he wants the ship specifically for alterior motives. He knows exactly what he is looking for, and that he will find it. He could possibly be using the threat of the Reapers to manipulate us into giving him the base.
We don't nkow that.
That argument is the greatest piece of rubbish ever.
No, we don't know it. It is only my opinion, disagree with it if you want.
But I've based my opinion on what I've been able to see from TIM in the games (mind you, I haven't read the comics or books, but from what I've heard said it falls in line with my presumptions).
One, that TIM is very smart, and has a boat load of common sense when it comes to matters involving the application of time and money.
Two, that TIM has proven himself to be capable of manipulating people to reach his objectives.
Three, that TIM has flat out told me that he stands to gain something else from the base other then a Reaper defeat (
Direct quote: The Technology from that Base could have secured human dominance in the galaxy, from the Reapers
and beyond. ~ TIM.)
And yes, hoping to defeat the Reapers through knowledge from the CB is wishful thinking. People here have said it before - they are clutching at straws to defeat the Reapers. Saving the CB is the last act (of the game) of a desperate Shep. I don't think TIM was that desperate, or he would have been infinitely more upset when Shep destroys it.
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