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[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Your ignorance is astounding.

It's a 2km long warship with alien equipment.
Finding the reaper IFF is like finding a needle in a haystack of simialr looking needles.

It's a miracle they found the damn thing.

Oh, I'm sorry. You were in a hurry. Please, ignore all the safety precautions and the risks there might be. There's no harm in that.

This is something that works especially well in traffic too.

Yes, they are in a hurry. You have to study and determine the function of every piece of equipment you come across inside a 2km long reaper (in order to locate the IFF). That's a task of monumental proportions.

When time is an issue, sometimes oyu have to throw caution out of hte window.

And what safety precautions? There are no standard safety precautions agaisnt indoctrianations.
The game constantly shows peopel and scientist for every faction - not just Cerberus - getting indoctrinated.

You have 0 proof anyone else could have done a better job..or any proof it is even possible to do a better job.

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Stop talking rubbish.

There's NO DEFENSE agaisnt indoctrination. There were no indications of the reaper being alive.
Wihout those scientist Shep would have never found the IFF.

And Shep could have have destroyed the emmiters for the kinetic barrier, not the core....he didn't.


It's easy to be the general after the battle dude.

Mechs. No people harmed. But apparently, dead Reapers can take control of them, even if we have absolutely no evidence of it, because taking control over people via indoctrination and taking control over mechs are apparently the same thing to some people.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 05 août 2011 - 02:20 .

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Yes, they are in a hurry. You have to study and determine the function of every piece of equipment you come across inside a 2km long reaper (in order to locate the IFF). That's a task of monumental proportions.

When time is an issue, sometimes oyu have to throw caution out of hte window.

And what safety precautions? There are no standard safety precautions agaisnt indoctrianations.
The game constantly shows peopel and scientist for every faction - not just Cerberus - getting indoctrinated.

You have 0 proof anyone else could have done a better job..or any proof it is even possible to do a better job.

Mechs. Immune to indoctrination. Use them.

And the security precautions are there for a reason.

It's like saying that it's smart to allow for one man alone to take over the Lazarus security system and let him reprogram every single mech on the station by himself, or to later kill the guy so no information can be obtained, just because you were in a hurry.

You know, just because you're in a hurry doesn't mean you should half-ass everything as much as possible.

[TMA LIVE]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

From Bioware trying to show you something from a glance, and using pictures to give you an idea, I'm pretty sure it is. After all, I doubt anyone would get an idea of what the datapad represented with just lines of data, and nothing else. Clearly it's something that matters, and something to do with Reapers, from all sides.

It doens't have to mean anything, other than Sheppard looking at the face of the enemy.
A dramatic flair if you will...

If they wanted to show an actual blueprint..they could have.

Shepard: Hey Joker, I want to stare at a picture of a Reaper randomly for no reason, and I want you to be the one giving me the chance. Especially one that has nice profile shots from all sides. Because I like ordering my people to give me pictures for no reason. Especially a picture of a Reaper from all sides.

No, that's not it. You got data about the Reapers. Even EDI already confirms to have mine the Collectors of data.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 05 août 2011 - 03:46 .

[TMA LIVE]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Again with that?

Due, Shep's the blame for the destruction of the reaper. SHEP.

Cerb can send more scientists and equipment over...or should I say..could have. If not for Shep.
And the scientists that came aboard DID complete their mission.

so again..you fail.

Or not. The Cerberus team were the idiots who fell for the indoctrination to begin with. They were the reason we had to go pick up the IFF. They were the reason we had to board the Reaper. They were the reason we had to disable the Reaper's mass effect core.

Had they just behaved like real scientists, they could've kept that Reaper AND give us the IFF. Shepard was just there to clean up their mess like always.

Oh, wait. I forgot. Cerberus can't do anything wrong, because some apologist always finds some lame reason to justify even the most sadistic and stupid experiments Cerberus did.

Stop talking rubbish.

There's NO DEFENSE agaisnt indoctrination. There were no indications of the reaper being alive.
Wihout those scientist Shep would have never found the IFF.

And Shep could have have destroyed the emmiters for the kinetic barrier, not the core....he didn't.


It's easy to be the general after the battle dude.

No, he was trapped in the room, with no other choice but the destroy the core if he wanted to escape with the IFF.



And it seems like taking down the barriers would have destroyed the Reaper anyways.

And if it wasn't for Shepard, that IFF would have been destroyed with the dead reaper, or stuck there till something else took it. Making all those scientists die for nothing.

Which is always my main problem with Cerberus. It seems the plan is always to send Duke Nukem to fix problems, and make them worth it, despite the large loss of life.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 05 août 2011 - 03:45 .

[TMA LIVE]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Installing the IFF probably alerted Harby or activated some safety protocols. It's wasn't a pre-planned trap for Shep..at least I don't find that likely.

As to why they left it there. It was hidden in it's curreent position and who said they didn't have plans for moving it later?

TIM says it was trapped in the gravity of a brown dwarf. Which means it could have been moved since ships like the Normandy can fly inside just find. He claims it's stable, but that's not enough of a reason to move it away from an unsafe area. His reasons were because he considered the Reaper too dangerous to commit more resources into, until he learned he needed the IFF. Thus he just left it sitting there, and did nothing with it.

And the virus did more then just transmitted a signal to the Collectors, it also disabled the ship, and had your entire crew besides one man taken. Lucky for Shepard, the Collectors didn't just blow up the ship, or took the IFF back. Or had his squadmates taken as well. Including himself if he was on board.

It literally seems everything's relying more on luck.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 05 août 2011 - 04:13 .

[TMA LIVE]

strive wrote...

I don't think the Collector Base is capable of indoctrination. They didn't need it. The "Protheans" were already synthetic slaves to them no need to "indoctrinate" them. And by the lack of shields, serious defenses, and required "IFF" it is quite obvious the Reapers never anticipated a species getting there. However if you're making/growing a sentient mind controlling warship, I would imagine you have come clues about it laying around, possibly even clues to indoctrination.

Here's my theory. Is there any other hiding place for a Reaper Factory? Because if there isn't, then there's a small chance that the Collector base is their one and only birth place. And if that was taken, they'd need a way to take it back, unless they plan on wasting time building a new one for reproduction or repair. And they'd already need slaves to do that. Considering genoside takes years, they can't afford losing the base before the war. Hell, the Galactic Core could have literally been the Reapers' main base of operations, since it's protected by a Relay needing an special IFF. So I imagine they'd leave a trap in order to take it back ASAP, unless it was destroyed.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 05 août 2011 - 03:55 .

[TMA LIVE]

Speaking of which, we know EDI had schematics of the Collector Base, and even went so far as to send them directly to TIM. Does that mean he might be simply building a new one? Because I guess he does have the means to do it. Especially with whatever remains survived the explosion.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Yes, they are in a hurry. You have to study and determine the function of every piece of equipment you come across inside a 2km long reaper (in order to locate the IFF). That's a task of monumental proportions.

When time is an issue, sometimes oyu have to throw caution out of hte window.

And what safety precautions? There are no standard safety precautions agaisnt indoctrianations.
The game constantly shows peopel and scientist for every faction - not just Cerberus - getting indoctrinated.

You have 0 proof anyone else could have done a better job..or any proof it is even possible to do a better job.

Mechs. Immune to indoctrination. Use them.

And the security precautions are there for a reason.

It's like saying that it's smart to allow for one man alone to take over the Lazarus security system and let him reprogram every single mech on the station by himself, or to later kill the guy so no information can be obtained, just because you were in a hurry.

You know, just because you're in a hurry doesn't mean you should half-ass everything as much as possible.

Underlined. Your theories interest no one. In-game proof. You have none.

[Lotion Soronarr]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

From Bioware trying to show you something from a glance, and using pictures to give you an idea, I'm pretty sure it is. After all, I doubt anyone would get an idea of what the datapad represented with just lines of data, and nothing else. Clearly it's something that matters, and something to do with Reapers, from all sides.

It doens't have to mean anything, other than Sheppard looking at the face of the enemy.
A dramatic flair if you will...

If they wanted to show an actual blueprint..they could have.

Shepard: Hey Joker, I want to stare at a picture of a Reaper randomly for no reason, and I want you to be the one giving me the chance. Especially one that has nice profile shots from all sides. Because I like ordering my people to give me pictures for no reason. Especially a picture of a Reaper from all sides.

No, that's not it. You got data about the Reapers. Even EDI already confirms to have mine the Collectors of data.

Data about Reapers does not mean bluprints. What's on the image is not a blueprint. Do you even know what a blueprint looks like?

It could pretty much me a profile of a standard reaper. Go disprove that if you can. You can't.

Hence it's all specualtion and theory. Not facts.

[Lotion Soronarr]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Stop talking rubbish.

There's NO DEFENSE agaisnt indoctrination. There were no indications of the reaper being alive.
Wihout those scientist Shep would have never found the IFF.

And Shep could have have destroyed the emmiters for the kinetic barrier, not the core....he didn't.


It's easy to be the general after the battle dude.

No, he was trapped in the room, with no other choice but the destroy the core if he wanted to escape with the IFF.



And it seems like taking down the barriers would have destroyed the Reaper anyways.

And if it wasn't for Shepard, that IFF would have been destroyed with the dead reaper, or stuck there till something else took it. Making all those scientists die for nothing.

Which is always my main problem with Cerberus. It seems the plan is always to send Duke Nukem to fix problems, and make them worth it, despite the large loss of life.

Yes. Shep had little choice, which is why TIM takes it so calmly.

But you miss the point. The objective was to locate and identify the reaper IFF. That objective was completed. Cerberus could have sent someone other than Sheppard to retrieve it.

And, given that Shep works for Cerberus at that time, since Shep picked hte IFF up, then is till counts a a sucessfull mission.


Loss of life is irrelevant in the long run. Usefull data is the goal.

While Cerberus may not have the bset track record in scientist survival, it does have a good record of obtaining vital data, fast. And that is what metters when it comes to reapers.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 05 août 2011 - 05:35 .

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Underlined. Your theories interest no one. In-game proof. You have none.

Newsflash, neither do you. You're constantly going "indoctrination is bad!111!" like a broken record, which leads nowhere.

Mechs can't be affected by indoctrination if they're remote controlled and don't have a mind of their own. Or they could've used drones to scout the layout of the Reaper for them, as indoctrination only affects organics.

[TMA LIVE]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

From Bioware trying to show you something from a glance, and using pictures to give you an idea, I'm pretty sure it is. After all, I doubt anyone would get an idea of what the datapad represented with just lines of data, and nothing else. Clearly it's something that matters, and something to do with Reapers, from all sides.

It doens't have to mean anything, other than Sheppard looking at the face of the enemy.
A dramatic flair if you will...

If they wanted to show an actual blueprint..they could have.

Shepard: Hey Joker, I want to stare at a picture of a Reaper randomly for no reason, and I want you to be the one giving me the chance. Especially one that has nice profile shots from all sides. Because I like ordering my people to give me pictures for no reason. Especially a picture of a Reaper from all sides.

No, that's not it. You got data about the Reapers. Even EDI already confirms to have mine the Collectors of data.

Data about Reapers does not mean bluprints. What's on the image is not a blueprint. Do you even know what a blueprint looks like?

It could pretty much me a profile of a standard reaper. Go disprove that if you can. You can't.

Hence it's all specualtion and theory. Not facts.

I got proof it's a great deal of information on them:

http://twitter.com/#...530567091097600

[jbblue05]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Speaking of which, we know EDI had schematics of the Collector Base, and even went so far as to send them directly to TIM. Does that mean he might be simply building a new one? Because I guess he does have the means to do it. Especially with whatever remains survived the explosion.

Are you sure EDI got blueprints.
I recall on the Collector ship trap Shepard had to install EDI onboard the SHip so she could datamine it.

At the Collector base we never see EDI get installed to anything.  All we know about EDI at the CB is she's repairing the ship and she uses Thermal emission scans on the Seeker swarms and the Reaper construct.

To build a new Reaper makes little sense for Cerberus, Spending hundreds billions of credits and kidnapping tens of millions of humans to build one reaper to fight thousands of reapers:mellow:

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Underlined. Your theories interest no one. In-game proof. You have none.

Newsflash, neither do you. You're constantly going "indoctrination is bad!111!" like a broken record, which leads nowhere.

Mechs can't be affected by indoctrination if they're remote controlled and don't have a mind of their own. Or they could've used drones to scout the layout of the Reaper for them, as indoctrination only affects organics.

Then why isn't anyone using them? Cerberus isn't the only one to get indoctrinated.

What? You're theory is that everyone in the universe is stupid? That scientists are stupid cattle that don't know their job? That Sheppard is also a massive moron, as he didn't send a drone in either??

[Lotion Soronarr]

TMA LIVE wrote...
I got proof it's a great deal of information on them:

http://twitter.com/#...530567091097600

Well, that's geat, but it still does not imply blueprints.

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Then why isn't anyone using them? Cerberus isn't the only one to get indoctrinated.

What? You're theory is that everyone in the universe is stupid? That scientists are stupid cattle that don't know their job? That Sheppard is also a massive moron, as he didn't send a drone in either??

Actually. Yes. Many people in Mass effect are outright idiots.

Cerberus takes the cake, though.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 05 août 2011 - 06:13 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Then why isn't anyone using them? Cerberus isn't the only one to get indoctrinated.

What? You're theory is that everyone in the universe is stupid? That scientists are stupid cattle that don't know their job? That Sheppard is also a massive moron, as he didn't send a drone in either??

Actually. Yes. Many people in Mass effect are outright idiots.

Cerberus takes the cake, though.

Including your Sheppard. The biggest idiot of them all apparenlty.

[TMA LIVE]

jbblue05 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Speaking of which, we know EDI had schematics of the Collector Base, and even went so far as to send them directly to TIM. Does that mean he might be simply building a new one? Because I guess he does have the means to do it. Especially with whatever remains survived the explosion.

Are you sure EDI got blueprints.
I recall on the Collector ship trap Shepard had to install EDI onboard the SHip so she could datamine it.

At the Collector base we never see EDI get installed to anything.  All we know about EDI at the CB is she's repairing the ship and she uses Thermal emission scans on the Seeker swarms and the Reaper construct.

To build a new Reaper makes little sense for Cerberus, Spending hundreds billions of credits and kidnapping tens of millions of humans to build one reaper to fight thousands of reapers:mellow:

TIM literally says she uploaded the schematics of the base to him.

[khordlambert]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Actually. Yes. Many people in Mass effect are outright idiots.

Cerberus takes the cake, though.

Quoted for freaking truth and great justice. I think the smartest people in this setting would have to be Shepard, the various people Shepard picks up, Joker, Anderson, Kal'Reegar, Hackett, and that Asari Bartender on Illium.

ESPECIALLY the bartender on Illium. Building new Relays, why hasn't anyone thought of that before!?

[khordlambert]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Then why isn't anyone using them? Cerberus isn't the only one to get indoctrinated.

What? You're theory is that everyone in the universe is stupid? That scientists are stupid cattle that don't know their job? That Sheppard is also a massive moron, as he didn't send a drone in either??

Actually. Yes. Many people in Mass effect are outright idiots.

Cerberus takes the cake, though.

Including your Sheppard. The biggest idiot of them all apparenlty.

Gee, can't be any dumber than the Shepards who hand over the base to a manipulative psychopath with a god complex for the potential of possibilities.

[STRYFEDX]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Then why isn't anyone using them? Cerberus isn't the only one to get indoctrinated.

What? You're theory is that everyone in the universe is stupid? That scientists are stupid cattle that don't know their job? That Sheppard is also a massive moron, as he didn't send a drone in either??

Actually. Yes. Many people in Mass effect are outright idiots.

Cerberus takes the cake, though.

Including your Sheppard. The biggest idiot of them all apparenlty.

My guy was smart and decided not to give the murder factory over to new murders who say that I should trust them cause they are humans and on my side.. when they have betray me twice in game.. ny guys only mistake was not blowing it up to smaller pieces as we will learn in the next game..

[Lotion Soronarr]

khordlambert wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Then why isn't anyone using them? Cerberus isn't the only one to get indoctrinated.

What? You're theory is that everyone in the universe is stupid? That scientists are stupid cattle that don't know their job? That Sheppard is also a massive moron, as he didn't send a drone in either??

Actually. Yes. Many people in Mass effect are outright idiots.

Cerberus takes the cake, though.

Including your Sheppard. The biggest idiot of them all apparenlty.

Gee, can't be any dumber than the Shepards who hand over the base to a manipulative psychopath with a god complex for the potential of possibilities.

Oh, they can. A self-absord, egoistical scumbag Sheppard that gambles with the survival of the galaxy to statisfy his petty trust issues and dellusions.

[STRYFEDX]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

khordlambert wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Then why isn't anyone using them? Cerberus isn't the only one to get indoctrinated.

What? You're theory is that everyone in the universe is stupid? That scientists are stupid cattle that don't know their job? That Sheppard is also a massive moron, as he didn't send a drone in either??

Actually. Yes. Many people in Mass effect are outright idiots.

Cerberus takes the cake, though.

Including your Sheppard. The biggest idiot of them all apparenlty.

Gee, can't be any dumber than the Shepards who hand over the base to a manipulative psychopath with a god complex for the potential of possibilities.

Oh, they can. A self-absord, egoistical scumbag Sheppard that gambles with the survival of the galaxy to statisfy his petty trust issues and dellusions.

I trust them as much as I would any evil extermist group... and you need to tone it down a bit... 

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Including your Sheppard. The biggest idiot of them all apparenlty.

Wow, it took you that long to finally realize that Shepard is one of the biggest idiots on the face of the galaxy, regardless of choice? Congratualtions.

It's nothing new. I knew that the second Shepard told Wrex that the First Contact War and the genophage were pretty much the same thing. Or when Shepard said that machines can be broken to Sovereign. Or when Shepard must have everything explained in high detail to him/her. 

Shepard serves as the moronic protagonist, who's there to give the player explanations on almost everything.

Which apparently is a must, judging by the nature of most players.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 05 août 2011 - 06:39 .