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[khordlambert]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

khordlambert wrote...

You should see him in the Dragon Age Boards. He actually tends to be a bit WORSE there if anything.

Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa......he can be any worse?

He drops the "I beleive in X so X must be the absolute truth and I will drop words like 'logic' and 'reasoning' cause I am so smart,I am so smart, s-m-r-t, I mean s-m-a-r-t." in dragon age too?

All that in the support of a lunatic who talks to a sword and tries to kill an entire population down to the last child.

Hopefully that didn't spoil anything.

[Sebby]

khordlambert wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

khordlambert wrote...

As good as you? My good sir, I've seen you openly insult people a number of times just in this topic. You are not NEARLY as good as you think you are.

Veild insults aren't in short supply out here. Sometimes one responds in kind.

And not as good as I think? My good man, there's only 3-4 people in this discussion who defend the "keep the base" choice, and despite being heavily outnumbered by the base destroyers, we have so far pounded them mercilesly in this discussion.

So, yes, I'm quite happy so far. Thanks for asking.

Um, no. You haven't pounded them. At all. All you've done is insult people and cover your ears or backtrack on certain statements, and assume that TIM has the best in mind for humanity and not just Cerberus' agenda. Thats not winning. Thats being a FOX news pundit.

Edit:
In addition, those people remaining that support keeping the base? The only rational one is Trout. One of them is determined that having absolute failure in a game should be manditory, and the other is convinced that the reason TIM brought back Shepard is due to being in love with him/her. Not exactly the best of company to be in. I feel sorry for Trout. He deserves better backup.

That's such a blatant shameless lie that I just have to LOL.

[khordlambert]

khordlambert wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

khordlambert wrote...

You should see him in the Dragon Age Boards. He actually tends to be a bit WORSE there if anything.

Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa......he can be any worse?

He drops the "I beleive in X so X must be the absolute truth and I will drop words like 'logic' and 'reasoning' cause I am so smart,I am so smart, s-m-r-t, I mean s-m-a-r-t." in dragon age too?

All that in the support of a lunatic who talks to a sword and tries to kill an entire population down to the last child. I mean I'll give TIM SOME credit, I don't think he'd be too big on genocide.

The people he hires on the other hand...

Hopefully that didn't spoil anything.

[khordlambert]

Seboist wrote...

khordlambert wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

khordlambert wrote...

As good as you? My good sir, I've seen you openly insult people a number of times just in this topic. You are not NEARLY as good as you think you are.

Veild insults aren't in short supply out here. Sometimes one responds in kind.

And not as good as I think? My good man, there's only 3-4 people in this discussion who defend the "keep the base" choice, and despite being heavily outnumbered by the base destroyers, we have so far pounded them mercilesly in this discussion.

So, yes, I'm quite happy so far. Thanks for asking.

Um, no. You haven't pounded them. At all. All you've done is insult people and cover your ears or backtrack on certain statements, and assume that TIM has the best in mind for humanity and not just Cerberus' agenda. Thats not winning. Thats being a FOX news pundit.

Edit:
In addition, those people remaining that support keeping the base? The only rational one is Trout. One of them is determined that having absolute failure in a game should be manditory, and the other is convinced that the reason TIM brought back Shepard is due to being in love with him/her. Not exactly the best of company to be in. I feel sorry for Trout. He deserves better backup.

That's such a blatant shameless lie that I just have to LOL.

All right, I'll rephrase that. That Belives Shepard is in love with TIM because h funded project Lazerus.

That any better?

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Trout blew up the base,he is just...neutral? He is shooting down everyone's reason for blowing the base.

[Sebby]

khordlambert wrote...

Seboist wrote...

khordlambert wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

khordlambert wrote...

As good as you? My good sir, I've seen you openly insult people a number of times just in this topic. You are not NEARLY as good as you think you are.

Veild insults aren't in short supply out here. Sometimes one responds in kind.

And not as good as I think? My good man, there's only 3-4 people in this discussion who defend the "keep the base" choice, and despite being heavily outnumbered by the base destroyers, we have so far pounded them mercilesly in this discussion.

So, yes, I'm quite happy so far. Thanks for asking.

Um, no. You haven't pounded them. At all. All you've done is insult people and cover your ears or backtrack on certain statements, and assume that TIM has the best in mind for humanity and not just Cerberus' agenda. Thats not winning. Thats being a FOX news pundit.

Edit:
In addition, those people remaining that support keeping the base? The only rational one is Trout. One of them is determined that having absolute failure in a game should be manditory, and the other is convinced that the reason TIM brought back Shepard is due to being in love with him/her. Not exactly the best of company to be in. I feel sorry for Trout. He deserves better backup.

That's such a blatant shameless lie that I just have to LOL.

All right, I'll rephrase that. That Belives Shepard is in love with TIM because h funded project Lazerus.

That any better?

True, Kaidan better hope he can pull off a miracle if he wants top what TIM did for my femshep.

[SandTrout]

khordlambert wrote...

All right, I'll rephrase that. That Belives Shepard is in love with TIM because h funded project Lazerus.

That any better?

The lie is that TIM and Shepards views of each other have been used directly as an argument to justify keeping the base. It has not.

Modifié par SandTrout, 05 août 2011 - 08:44 .

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

SandTrout wrote...

khordlambert wrote...

All right, I'll rephrase that. That Belives Shepard is in love with TIM because h funded project Lazerus.

That any better?

The lie is that TIM and Shepards views of each other have been used as an argument to justify keeping the base. It has not.

Not yet anyway...IIRC it has been brought up,though not as argument.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 05 août 2011 - 08:47 .

[Goneaviking]

strive wrote...

I don't think the Collector Base is capable of indoctrination. They didn't need it. The "Protheans" were already synthetic slaves to them no need to "indoctrinate" them. And by the lack of shields, serious defenses, and required "IFF" it is quite obvious the Reapers never anticipated a species getting there. However if you're making/growing a sentient mind controlling warship, I would imagine you have come clues about it laying around, possibly even clues to indoctrination.

They're making a sentient organic/synthetic machine god, they're going to want to ensure it's loyalty. The easiest way of doing that might well be to indoctrinate it at every stage of it's creation.

We don't know enough about Reapers to know whether they're immune to their own indoctrination devices, if not then constructing them in a base set up to create them makes perfect sense. We do know that the human reaper larvae had at least a minimal amount of intelligence to attack you at the finale of ME2, it most likely didn't have it's most sophisticate programming installed yet but it's simplistic programming could be enough to make the process viable.

Pure speculation of course, but it doesn't seem completely implausible.

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Goneaviking wrote...
The thanix cannon was developed from smashed up pieces of Sovereign, turning it to rubble probably did something to disable the indoctrination signal that Sovereign was known to give off and making ita lot safer to research.

The collector base intact may have been instrumental in keeping an entire species indoctrinated (we have no way of knowing for sure), blowing it up leaves lots of parts for Cerberus to examine with reduced risk of indoctrination. The dead reaper demonstrated that merely rendering it inactive is no sure protection against being turned.

Destroy Collector Base = reaper tech for research = reduced chance of indoctrinated scientists = advantage

It also equals a LOT less to reseach and analyze = less of an advantage.

Furthermore, we have n oway of knowing what part of a repaer is responsible for indoctriation, or if hte HR core even had it. There'fore, destroying the entire base and reducing the benfit becuse of there potentialy being indoctrination....no. Just no.

Besides, if there was an indoctrination device on the base, you'd want to study that too.

And furhtermore, you have no guarantee that blowing up the base would destroy the indoctrination device. You don't know where it is nor how big or resilient it is.

A bigger advantage is no advantage at all if the researchers developing it become indoctrinated and use it against you.

True that we don't know which part of a reaper, or the base assuming it had one, is responsible for indoctrinatione, nor do we have a guarantee that destroying the base would destroy it either. But destroying the base reduces the likelihood of its survival, and that's a welcome development.

As for studying the device, I'd only agree that it was worth studying by remote control and with strict supervision of the researchers who would lose access to a wide range of freedoms for the period of research and for some time afterwards. Can't risk their contamination, of course any research done on the device would hinge on us actually being able to identify the device which we aren't currently able to do anyway.

Modifié par Goneaviking, 05 août 2011 - 08:50 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

[Sebby]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Too bad the base destroyers can't admit it.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Seboist wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Too bad the base destroyers can't admit it.

Not gonna do it. Wouldn't be prudent.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Seboist wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Too bad the base destroyers can't admit it.

Admit that you're wrong?

I'm not arguing that it was wrong to keep the base

[Someone With Mass]

Seboist wrote...
Too bad the base destroyers can't admit it.

Right back at ya.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

This isn't about right or wrong it's about my decision to blow it up was just as valid as your decision to keep it.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 05 août 2011 - 09:05 .

[jedierick]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

This isn't about right or wrong it's about my decision to blow it up was just as valid as your decision to keep it.

This is exactly what it comes down to, both sides have their own reasons, anything after the fact is based off of assumptions. I myself blew up the base, I see why keeping it coud possibly result in something, but anything would be an assumption. My argument has always been that there are those who feel they are right no matter what, their "logic" cannot be challenged. 

So we have the endless debate on saying if you say "X" did or didnt happenedd becasue you kept the base, then I can say "X" did or didnt happen becasue I blew it up. 

[Lotion Soronarr]

Goneaviking wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
It also equals a LOT less to reseach and analyze = less of an advantage.

Furthermore, we have no way of knowing what part of a repaer is responsible for indoctriation, or if hte HR core even had it. There'fore, destroying the entire base and reducing the benfit becuse of there potentialy being indoctrination....no. Just no.

Besides, if there was an indoctrination device on the base, you'd want to study that too.

And furhtermore, you have no guarantee that blowing up the base would destroy the indoctrination device. You don't know where it is nor how big or resilient it is.

A bigger advantage is no advantage at all if the researchers developing it become indoctrinated and use it against you.

True that we don't know which part of a reaper, or the base assuming it had one, is responsible for indoctrinatione, nor do we have a guarantee that destroying the base would destroy it either. But destroying the base reduces the likelihood of its survival, and that's a welcome development.

As for studying the device, I'd only agree that it was worth studying by remote control and with strict supervision of the researchers who would lose access to a wide range of freedoms for the period of research and for some time afterwards. Can't risk their contamination, of course any research done on the device would hinge on us actually being able to identify the device which we aren't currently able to do anyway.

Indoctrinates scientists are of little danger comapred to the reapers. As seen by the Derelict Reaper, evne while beign indoctrinated, scientists cna still do work and submit reports. Work was being done. Knowledge has been gained even if the scientists fall.
And if they do, re-taking th base would not be a problem  - a detachment of marnies is all it takes.

Again, we should study it if it's there,  no matter the cost - not blow up the base on the off-chance it might destroy it AND everythnig else in there.

And you forget one other thing - we really don't have the luxury of playing it safe. Slow and steady is all well and good - when you don't have a sword of total extinction hanging over your head.
All the discoveries in the world are meaninglesss if by the time they are achieved, the Reapers have already arrived and reaped us.

[ev76]

I have two playthroughs. One I destroyed the ship, one I kept it for Timmy. You see my soldier Shepard kept it. My renegade Shepard, told tim to sod off. If tim is working with alliance, mission impossible style, Then my renegade Shepard might be in trouble. If tim is not in contact with the alliance mission impossible style then I made the right choice to destroy it...my reasoning behind that is I don't know who tims investors are...don't know the motives or direction the investors would want tim to take wit a reaper factory.

[Lotion Soronarr]

khordlambert wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

khordlambert wrote...

You should see him in the Dragon Age Boards. He actually tends to be a bit WORSE there if anything.

Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa......he can be any worse?

He drops the "I beleive in X so X must be the absolute truth and I will drop words like 'logic' and 'reasoning' cause I am so smart,I am so smart, s-m-r-t, I mean s-m-a-r-t." in dragon age too?

All that in the support of a lunatic who talks to a sword and tries to kill an entire population down to the last child.

Hopefully that didn't spoil anything.

:huh::huh:

You Sir..must be on some kind of veary heavy drugs...cause you seem to mistaken me for someone else.

[Someone With Mass]

It's when you rush you make mistakes.

And by the way, just because it's a war, doesn't mean that all rules, security measures and laws are null and void. Because that'd be just stupid.

[The Elder King]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

khordlambert wrote...



All that in the support of a lunatic who talks to a sword and tries to kill an entire population down to the last child.

Hopefully that didn't spoil anything.

:huh::huh:

You Sir..must be on some kind of veary heavy drugs...cause you seem to mistaken me for someone else.

He made some mistakes in his post too, since the term "population" isn't quite right (assuming he's talking of one of the faction's leader in DA2).

[khordlambert]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

khordlambert wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

khordlambert wrote...

You should see him in the Dragon Age Boards. He actually tends to be a bit WORSE there if anything.

Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa......he can be any worse?

He drops the "I beleive in X so X must be the absolute truth and I will drop words like 'logic' and 'reasoning' cause I am so smart,I am so smart, s-m-r-t, I mean s-m-a-r-t." in dragon age too?

All that in the support of a lunatic who talks to a sword and tries to kill an entire population down to the last child.

Hopefully that didn't spoil anything.

:huh::huh:

You Sir..must be on some kind of veary heavy drugs...cause you seem to mistaken me for someone else.

So there are two Lotion's running around the forums? Well if that's the case then I apologize for mistaking you for the guy with a similar name and same avatar picture who is running around the Dragon Age forums.

[khordlambert]

hhh89 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

khordlambert wrote...



All that in the support of a lunatic who talks to a sword and tries to kill an entire population down to the last child.

Hopefully that didn't spoil anything.

:huh::huh:

You Sir..must be on some kind of veary heavy drugs...cause you seem to mistaken me for someone else.

He made some mistakes in his post too, since the term "population" isn't quite right (assuming he's talking of one of the faction's leader in DA2).

In my defense I was attempting to avoid revealing anything spoilerific. Again, I apologize if I missused any words.

[Lotion Soronarr]

khordlambert wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

khordlambert wrote...

As good as you? My good sir, I've seen you openly insult people a number of times just in this topic. You are not NEARLY as good as you think you are.

Veild insults aren't in short supply out here. Sometimes one responds in kind.

And not as good as I think? My good man, there's only 3-4 people in this discussion who defend the "keep the base" choice, and despite being heavily outnumbered by the base destroyers, we have so far pounded them mercilesly in this discussion.

So, yes, I'm quite happy so far. Thanks for asking.

Um, no. You haven't pounded them. At all. All you've done is insult people and cover your ears or backtrack on certain statements, and assume that TIM has the best in mind for humanity and not just Cerberus' agenda. Thats not winning. Thats being a FOX news pundit.

Edit:
In addition, those people remaining that support keeping the base? The only rational one is Trout. One of them is determined that having absolute failure in a game should be manditory, and the other is convinced that the reason TIM brought back Shepard is due to being in love with him/her. Not exactly the best of company to be in. I feel sorry for Trout. He deserves better backup.

Aha..yes...I see...fascinating...

While your conspiracy theories are downright amusing, the level of wrong you people can sink into never ceases to amaze me.

Now, you can go and pat eachother on the back and make silly pot-shots at me all you want.
It changes nothing.
Your assumptions have been shown to be based on nothing but wishfull thinking, your conclusion drawn with the flimsiest of logic and your entire trought process and priority categorization totally biased and skewed due to too much emotional involvment.

Heck, pretty much all of you admitted that you blew the base because you didn't trust Tim. And you didn't trust him..because of nothing really specific. A single sentance that could mean a million things. Glowing eyes. OR whatever other silly excuse you have.
A rotting, crumbling foundation that is the core for your decision making.

At least my desision is based on reason.
I trust TIM when he sez he'll fight the reapers, because everything he said and does confirms that. His own goals are compatible. What do you people have to confirm your theories? Oh, that's right..he has a TONE when you gamble with the future survival of the galaxy! The nerve of that guy!

And the funny thing is that my decision doesn't even rest on trusting TIM or not. Since it's irrelevant. That's too emotional and biased to use as a foundation for such an important decision.


The supposed safety of the galaxy after the reapers is more important to you than actually that galaxy surviving the reapers inthe first place. And you call that sound reasoning.....

Allow me to laugh a bit. I'll re-join my brothers in arms and we can all have a healthy laugh.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Veild insults aren't in short supply out here. Sometimes one responds in kind.

And not as good as I think? My good man, there's only 3-4 people in this discussion who defend the "keep the base" choice, and despite being heavily outnumbered by the base destroyers, we have so far pounded them mercilesly in this discussion.

So, yes, I'm quite happy so far. Thanks for asking.

It must be nice, living in your own world, because I have yet to see a single legit reason to save the base that doesn't clash with Cerberus' agenda.

Since when is "saving humanity" not part of Cerberus agenda?