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[Sebby]

Pulletlamer wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Only if Shep turns on TIM.
As I said, everyone follows Shep's lead.

Not true. The Virmire Survivor don't seems so convinced about working with Cerberus. And Tali (because the Flotilla attack), Jacob (he openly says Cerberus deserves it's title of terrorist) and Jack won't follow Shepard if he collaborated directly with TIM (by that I mean joining Cerberus. The SM is not the same since Shepard it's just doing a job for them, not working with them).

Hell even Miranda seems a bit doubtful about Cerberus at the end of the game. She has doubts on the organization and she even mentions most of the people that join Cerberus are xenophobic.

Mordin seems also reluctant to join you the first time you meet him.

Shepard being part of a Cerberus funded, supplied,crewed and directed operation is TOTALLLY not working with them! Riiiiiiiiight.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

I think he has that backwards,Shepard is working with Cerberus not for them.

[Pulletlamer]

Seboist wrote...

Pulletlamer wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Only if Shep turns on TIM.
As I said, everyone follows Shep's lead.

Not true. The Virmire Survivor don't seems so convinced about working with Cerberus. And Tali (because the Flotilla attack), Jacob (he openly says Cerberus deserves it's title of terrorist) and Jack won't follow Shepard if he collaborated directly with TIM (by that I mean joining Cerberus. The SM is not the same since Shepard it's just doing a job for them, not working with them).

Hell even Miranda seems a bit doubtful about Cerberus at the end of the game. She has doubts on the organization and she even mentions most of the people that join Cerberus are xenophobic.

Mordin seems also reluctant to join you the first time you meet him.

Shepard being part of a Cerberus funded, supplied,crewed and directed operation is TOTALLLY not working with them! Riiiiiiiiight.

You have various times during ME2 when you can say so (being mostly Paragon): That you're not working for them. That they are the only group willing to do anything about the missing colonists, so you're helping them.

Shepard don't works for Cerberus. It's just a one time job. It's like if you were a mercenary in that case. Mercenaries don't work for someone, they just do the job and get paid.

You can collaborate with them if you will and openly say that Cerberus is right this time and whatnot (being Renegade), but in the end it doesn't change the fact that Shepard is not working for Cerberus, he's just doing a one time job towards a mutual goal: destroy the Collectors.

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

I think he has that backwards,Shepard is working with Cerberus not for them.

Yes, that's right. I said it backwards. I meant Shepard is working with Cerberus (helping them against the Collectors), but not for them (as if he joined them).

PS: No matter how much you (the player) support Cerberus and like them, you can't deny the fact that Shepard (doesn't matter if he's renegade or paragon) don't works for Cerberus and is not willing to work with or for them again after ME2, since he breaks all relations with TIM.

Modifié par Pulletlamer, 07 août 2011 - 05:59 .

[sTrYkZ1LLa]

Garrus .... I wish we would have joined Cerberus sooner.

Shepard Were not with Cerberus their funding our mission that's all.

Garrus relax Shepard ...

[Pulletlamer]

sTrYkZ1LLa wrote...

Garrus .... I wish we would have joined Cerberus sooner.

Shepard Were not with Cerberus their funding our mission that's all.

Garrus relax Shepard ...

I didn't really like that at all. Garrus is too Renegade in ME2.

I mean, come on. Even after all that happened to him and his squad, and he's supposed to have changed, doesn't change the fact that he's supposedly been with Shepard during the events on ME1 and knows what cerberus have been doing all that whole time (Thorian Creepers, Rachni...).

I think they should have made Garrus seem distrutful about Cerberus too.

[TMA LIVE]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

To run Cerberus yourself depends on you. If you're a xenophode who's hungry for power or human dominance, then that's kind of bad. But someone like Miranda or Jacob (or both) could change things for the better. If you can make the best of things, why not? Keeping Cerberus not running by TIM can be beneficial to anyone. Morally depends on you or the person taking over. Though I'd probably prefer to restructure it, since as Miranda says, many join out of simple xenophodia.

"For the better" is a interesting definition.

LEe's say you replace TIM wiht someone else who shuts down half the projects and slows down the pace pf researhc in others, due to his moral objections to everything and draconic safety precautions.

And then the reapers caome and kill you all, since the super-weapon agaisnt them isn't ready yet (or researched at all)..and as you look at the galaxy in flames, your last though would be "dang..TIM could have pushed the weapon out in time..."

Rather depressing really..

If we really depended solely on one terrorist organization to save us, and no one else, then we were already screwed. That's like saying the Council or the Alliance couldn't possibly be doing their own research and weapon building behind Shepard's back after gathering pieces of Sovereign. That clearly everything depends on Cerberus.

If you believe that, then that's your opinion. Which I don't agree with.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 07 août 2011 - 06:05 .

[HogarthHughes 3]

Pulletlamer wrote...

Yes, that's right. I said it backwards. I meant Shepard is working with Cerberus (helping them against the Collectors), but not for them (as if he joined them).

PS: No matter how much you (the player) support Cerberus and like them, you can't deny the fact that Shepard (doesn't matter if he's renegade or paragon) don't works for Cerberus and is not willing to work with or for them again after ME2, since he breaks all relations with TIM.

Not quite.

If the Collector Base is preserved Shepard & TIM don't end their talk on the best of terms, but they are still tenuous allies.

[Someone With Mass]

Think of it like this. If some secret group is marked as terrorists by two major governments like...the US and China and then the group approaches you (the group you know nothing about, I might add) and say that they're not terrorists.

Who would you trust? The government or the group you know nothing about?

[Someone With Mass]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

I think he has that backwards,Shepard is working with Cerberus not for them.

Yep.

[Sisterofshane]

HogarthHughes 3 wrote...

Pulletlamer wrote...

Yes, that's right. I said it backwards. I meant Shepard is working with Cerberus (helping them against the Collectors), but not for them (as if he joined them).

PS: No matter how much you (the player) support Cerberus and like them, you can't deny the fact that Shepard (doesn't matter if he's renegade or paragon) don't works for Cerberus and is not willing to work with or for them again after ME2, since he breaks all relations with TIM.

Not quite.

If the Collector Base is preserved Shepard & TIM don't end their talk on the best of terms, but they are still tenuous allies.

Still not the point.

Shepard leaves.  He no longer "answers" to TIM after ME2.  He doesn't work FOR Cerberus.

[Lotion Soronarr]

[quote]Phaedon wrote...
Do you think that your family members have more rights than anyone else, and do you have an entitlement over being over anyone else?

That's your problem, not mine.

Hell, your argument says that it's sufficient to just save humanity.[/quote]

That's not what I asked. If push comes to showe and ou get to choose between saving your family, and someone elseses..whihc will you choose?
99,9% of people will choose their own. That's normal.

And no, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying it's normal to value your own more.

As for rights? In a game of galactic dominance and survival, your race only has what rights it can secure.




[quote]
[quote]Again, Cerberus wants to work with the aliens to defeat the reapers. Tim encourages you to do so.

If you manage to find one piece of evidence that Cerberus wants to eradicate other aliens races, I'll give in.
[/quote]
Worst argument dodge ever.[/quote]

Looks who is talking.
I'm still waiting for evidence....




[quote]
Cerberus is not trustworthy because:

• TIM has lied to you in similar situations.
• They have shown to be incapable of much simpler tasks.[/quote]

Irrelevant and wrong.



[quote]
[quote]They can't do it alone..don't you get it?[/quote]
Source.[/quote]

Because they quite honestly can't. Humanity alone CANNOT defeat the reapers. Hackket tells you quite cleary that we're not ready.
The galaxy united has pitifull chances, even with new tech.


[quote]
[quote]Cerberus and humantiy need the other races just as much as they need them.

TIM is apprently smart enough to relize this...why aren't you?[/quote]
At no point did TIM do anything to help another race, no matter how much you try to convince yourself that he did. What he did do is to go too far too many times to ensure the mere domination of the human race.[/quote]

Oh? This is where you are wrong.
TIM encourages you to gather allies from all races.
They also assasinated a Pope just to quell tensions between humans and Salarians and Turians. That's the opposite of spreading alien hate.

Also, up to this point Cerberus didn't have to do anything to help the other races. Tehy seem to be doing rather fine on their own. It's resources are there to help humanity get stronger.

Now with the reapers coming..it's another story.



[quote]
Common sense and logic. That a base that did NOT create a single Reaper will defeat by itself multiple thousands.
Common, maybe. Sense and logic, hell no.

You know how tech works? What's inside the base? I thought that the possibilities are endless.
Last time I checked you provided some examples who couldn't have any significance -especially by themselves- those were answered, and then you switched to "but the possibilities are infinite!"[/quote]

You didn't answer anytihing. You handwaved and ignored.
You dug yourself in your litttle bunker of "nothing can defeat the reapers, nothig can help...except my redicolous bomb idea! Yay me!"


[quote]
And again, if you think that using words and phrases with no real meaning or justification such as "No." "Agree!" or "logic and common sense" "infinite!" helps win an argument, then that's not just your problem, but also the hypocrisy of the people who hold the same stance as you do and don't bother to rebutt you.[/quote]

All those phrases have a meaning. You'd do well to learn it.




[quote]
All that is seen here is the simplistic statement of "The possibilities are infinite!" and the downright refusal of further explanation.[/quote]

You really want me to explain to you the basic principles of science and advancement? That's what school is for. That's what books are for! I'm not here to write a disserations.




[quote]
[quote]You claim that a amssive base (10km in length at least) filled wiht all kinds of tech and mechienery used to build a reaper (and a reaper corpse) would in no way advance our technology, defenses or weaponry.

This statement is so utterly senseless that I don't know how to respond to it. Flat and young Earth proponents make more sense than you![/quote]


Filled with tech and machinery? Source?

Tech and machinery to do what exactly? Build a single Reaper? Did they do it? Can the base help us defeat all of the Reaper using a small part of the technolodgy the Reapers have, who also happen to be more experienced, intelligent and multiple thousands the times that the HR would have been, should he have been completed?[/quote]

Source - the game. It IS filled with tech and machienry. WTF you think it's in there? Air? TIM specificly mentions it.

Are you honestly telling everyone here that a shipyard used to build ships doesn't have the equipment and parts necessary to build ships?

And can the base help? Yes...yes it can.
Every thing we find from it increases our chances of survival.



[quote]
[quote]I have and  Idid. But you cannot graps how technolgoy works nad how it INTERACTS and how one new inventions/discovery open MANY new possibilites and avenus. [/quote]
Yes, I can perfectly understand on a very basic level how technolodgy in the MEverse works. It is not too far from our own. 

How it interacts? BS.
There is very specific tech in the MEverse, you need to specify which one could be advanced to the point of making us win the Reapers, and how the CB would affect that, or else you are claiming that the CB is "standalone".[/quote]

I already have told you. Given multiple examples. Tons of smaller enhancements or a few larger ones. Either way, our ships getting better shields, better guns, increases of efficiency in other areas...etc..





[quote]
[quote]And hostory proves this. go read some history books and see how many inventions and devices, designed for one purpose, were applied and used in advancing many other fields and devices. Uses the original creators never though of.

You spit on the creativity of human beings and the great inventors and visionaries.
People that were obviously not like you.[/quote]

Give me examples and I'll explain exactly why you are wrong in every single one.[/quote]

Go read some books. tht's what tehy're for. Or if you're not the reading type, watch documentaries. There's a good one on Discovery Channel, called Weirdconnections (IIRC), and plenty of others.

It's a historical fact that inventions often transcend their original purpose and find aplications in other areas.




[quote]
[quote]Untill you don't know the final outcome...nope.[/quote]
[quote]And it remains a metagaming arguments, which renders it null and void. Yet you constantly keep retuning to it. Desperate much?[/quote]
Are you serious? How could you manage ending up responding to my original argument which said "Yes, it is metagaming, but this is why you should stop acting as if it is a good choice." by saying "BUT THIS IS METAGAMING"[/quote]

Because they are two different arguments. Don't drag things out of context.

While the argument on how smart the choice is when made In-universe doesn't depend on ME3, how that choice ends up does.

In other words, you cannot say "this choice is smart because Cerberus will end up turning on you".. it's wrong on 2 accounts.
1) it's metagaming
2) you still don't know the final result, so you still can't tell.




[quote]
[quote]It's a sufficient answer.

You're assumign a less likely scenario. [/quote]
Uh..

you are claiming that a terrorist organization wanted by pretty much everyone will drop by and distribute valuable tech here and there.[/quote]

Yes. It's already been doing that.





[quote]
[quote]That everyone in cerberus will simply ignore the danger of reapers. That no one will disagree with TIM if he decides to keep all tech. that there will be no defectors and snitches. Taht TIM would even do something like that in the first place.[/quote]
There were no defectors or snitches when TIM murdered two politicians. And a Pope. When he abducted asari and experimented on them. When he started killing Alliance soldiers. And Admirals who ask questions. There were none when he ordered building a camp which abducts children and experiments on them. None when he irradiated a colony and caused brain tumors to multiple infants. Do I need to go on?[/quote]

Yes.
Becasue those are not the same as survival of an entire galaxy.
Not to mention that you do not know if there were defectors.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 07 août 2011 - 06:11 .

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

How many Cerberus scientist does it take to make a pot of coffee,40
1 to make the pot and the other 39 to plug in the overlord and get all of them killed.

[Darkelefantos1]

Pulletlamer wrote...

sTrYkZ1LLa wrote...

Garrus .... I wish we would have joined Cerberus sooner.

Shepard Were not with Cerberus their funding our mission that's all.

Garrus relax Shepard ...

I didn't really like that at all. Garrus is too Renegade in ME2.

I mean, come on. Even after all that happened to him and his squad, and he's supposed to have changed, doesn't change the fact that he's supposedly been with Shepard during the events on ME1 and knows what cerberus have been doing all that whole time (Thorian Creepers, Rachni...).

I think they should have made Garrus seem distrutful about Cerberus too.

Well, when Shep asks him if he has issues with working for/with Cerberus, he says that he trusts the Commanders decisions and that he gets along well with the crew. Even with Grunt, I figure 

And I love how he "pulled the stick outta his ass just to beat people to death with it"... It's priceless.

But he is too Renegade for my tastes aswell. After all the lessons of morality and justice I had him take in the first game, and his personal mission from ME didn't change shmit.

[Pulletlamer]

HogarthHughes 3 wrote...

Pulletlamer wrote...

Yes, that's right. I said it backwards. I meant Shepard is working with Cerberus (helping them against the Collectors), but not for them (as if he joined them).

PS: No matter how much you (the player) support Cerberus and like them, you can't deny the fact that Shepard (doesn't matter if he's renegade or paragon) don't works for Cerberus and is not willing to work with or for them again after ME2, since he breaks all relations with TIM.

Not quite.

If the Collector Base is preserved Shepard & TIM don't end their talk on the best of terms, but they are still tenuous allies.

Yes, he does actually end to work for them.


Shepard:"Human dominance, or just Cerberus?"

TIM:"They're one and the same. My mission has always been to promote and secure humanity's continued strength.
Don't let idealism blind you. Using the best way to its fullest potential it's the best way to fulfill ours"


After this you have a Paragon or renegade option.  You can see the video chooses the paragon one, the renegade is here.

[...]

Shepard: "Harbinger is coming , and he won't be alone. You hold anything back, anything, and you're out."
Alternate: [..]  You start dreaming about power, and we'll all pay the price.

After all you have to option to tell him to shut up, cut him and leave, or: that you're not going to sacrifice the soul of our species /going to stop the reapers with or without his help and whatever and you cut him anyways and leave.

What matters in the end of the two videos you ended the conversation bad and are not working with TIM or Cerberus anymore. And don't tell me it's otherwise, because TIM isn't so happy about the fact that you're out there with his ship and with his IA after all the money he paid for those and to bring you back.

So you can say what you believe, but Shepard don't works with Cerberus anymore after ME2.

Modifié par Pulletlamer, 07 août 2011 - 06:30 .

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...


That's not what I asked. If push comes to showe and ou get to choose between saving your family, and someone elseses..whihc will you choose?
99,9% of people will choose their own. That's normal.

By that logic, Cerberus would save their own skin first and let the other humans die.

Maybe they'll get some of their own killed in the process too. 

[HogarthHughes 3]

Pulletlamer wrote...

Yes, he does actually end to work for them.


Shepard:"Human dominance, or just Cerberus?"

TIM:"They're one and the same. My mission has always been to promote and secure humanity's continued strength.
Don't let idealism blind you. Using the best way to its fullest potential it's the best way to fulfill ours"


After this you have a Paragon or renegade option.  You can see the video chooses the paragon one, the renegade is here.

[...]

Shepard: "Harbinger is coming , and he won't be alone. You hold anything back, anything, and you're out."
Alternate: [..]  You start dreaming about power, and we'll all pay the price.

After all you have to option to tell him to shut up, cut him and leave, or: that you're not going to sacrifice the soul of our species /going to stop the reapers with or without his help and whatever and you cut him anyways and leave.

What matters in the end of the two videos you ended the conversation bad and are not working with TIM or Cerberus anymore. And don't tell me it's otherwise, because TIM isn't so happy about the fact that you're out there with his ship and with his IA after all the money he paid for those and to bring you back.

So you can say what you believe, but Shepard don't works with Cerberus anymore after ME2.

Where was this said?  In the Renegade ending, Shepard says he'll stop the reapers with or without TIM's help.  That doesn't mean that Shepard is no longer willing to work with them.  All that happens if the Collector Base is kept is a bit of lecturing back and forth between the two of them.

[Lotion Soronarr]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

To run Cerberus yourself depends on you. If you're a xenophode who's hungry for power or human dominance, then that's kind of bad. But someone like Miranda or Jacob (or both) could change things for the better. If you can make the best of things, why not? Keeping Cerberus not running by TIM can be beneficial to anyone. Morally depends on you or the person taking over. Though I'd probably prefer to restructure it, since as Miranda says, many join out of simple xenophodia.

"For the better" is a interesting definition.

LEe's say you replace TIM wiht someone else who shuts down half the projects and slows down the pace pf researhc in others, due to his moral objections to everything and draconic safety precautions.

And then the reapers caome and kill you all, since the super-weapon agaisnt them isn't ready yet (or researched at all)..and as you look at the galaxy in flames, your last though would be "dang..TIM could have pushed the weapon out in time..."

Rather depressing really..

If we really depended solely on one terrorist organization to save us, and no one else, then we were already screwed. That's like saying the Council or the Alliance couldn't possibly be doing their own research and weapon building behind Shepard's back after gathering pieces of Sovereign. That clearly everything depends on Cerberus.

If you believe that, then that's your opinion. Which I don't agree with.

That depends.

Given the the CB is the best source of reaper knowledge available (with Sovy beign blown up and msot of it missing), and given Cerberses fanatical dedication and TIM's pushing...I'd say the CB and Cerberus have the biggest chances of producing something vital for the war (ar al least, the bigggest piece of the puzzle).

Not saying that no one else is doing anything, but the situation as it is, we need everything we can get.
And well..why WOULD we be screwed if we depended on Cerberus?

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Someone With Mass wrote...
Maybe they'll get some of their own killed in the process too. 

Cerberus maybe getting some of their own people killed?

[Pulletlamer]

HogarthHughes 3 wrote...

Pulletlamer wrote...

Yes, he does actually end to work for them.


Shepard:"Human dominance, or just Cerberus?"

TIM:"They're one and the same. My mission has always been to promote and secure humanity's continued strength.
Don't let idealism blind you. Using the best way to its fullest potential it's the best way to fulfill ours"


After this you have a Paragon or renegade option.  You can see the video chooses the paragon one, the renegade is here.

[...]

Shepard: "Harbinger is coming , and he won't be alone. You hold anything back, anything, and you're out."
Alternate: [..]  You start dreaming about power, and we'll all pay the price.

After all you have to option to tell him to shut up, cut him and leave, or: that you're not going to sacrifice the soul of our species /going to stop the reapers with or without his help and whatever and you cut him anyways and leave.

What matters in the end of the two videos you ended the conversation bad and are not working with TIM or Cerberus anymore. And don't tell me it's otherwise, because TIM isn't so happy about the fact that you're out there with his ship and with his IA after all the money he paid for those and to bring you back.

So you can say what you believe, but Shepard don't works with Cerberus anymore after ME2.

Where was this said?  In the Renegade ending, Shepard says he'll stop the reapers with or without TIM's help.  That doesn't mean that Shepard is no longer willing to work with them.  All that happens if the Collector Base is kept is a bit of lecturing back and forth between the two of them.

Whatever, mate. You can be stubborn if you want. That you want to believe you're working for Cerberus or agree with them and would like to join them or something like that (as a player) doesn't mean your Shepard wants to. Every Shepard (paragon or renegade) in the game is distrutful about Cerberus to some point (at least for now ).

Yes, he doesn't explictly say: "I don't work with you anymore", but he makes it pretty clear in my opinion, by leaving /cutting him and being harsh to him during the whole conversation. You can tell him to shut up the two variants, or tell him that he better be ready for the reapers (or that you're stopping them with or without his help) and cut him and leave.

If you're in bad relations with the leader of the organization I doubt very much you can still work with them as if nothing happened or be like "Hey sorry dude I just had a bad day after blowing/zaving the baze and whatnot, are we coolz again or not ?"

Modifié par Pulletlamer, 07 août 2011 - 06:44 .

[Someone With Mass]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...
Maybe they'll get some of their own killed in the process too. 

Cerberus maybe getting some of their own people killed?

Yeah...

I realized it the moment I posted the comment.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...
Maybe they'll get some of their own killed in the process too. 

Cerberus maybe getting some of their own people killed?

Yeah...

I realized it the moment I posted the comment.

How many Cerberus scientist does it take to read a book,20
1 to read the book,the rest to get melted by Thresher Maw acid.

[HogarthHughes 3]

Pulletlamer wrote...

Whatever, mate. You can be stubborn if you want. That you want to believe you're working for Cerberus or agree with them and would like to join them or something like that (as a player) doesn't mean your Shepard wants to. Every Shepard (paragon or renegade) in the game is distrutful about Cerberus to some point (at least for now ).

Yes, he doesn't explictly say: "I don't work with you anymore", but he makes it pretty clear in my opinion, by leaving /cutting him and being harsh to him during the whole conversation. You can tell him to shut up the two variants, or tell him that he better be ready for the reapers (or that you're stopping them with or without his help) and cut him and leave.

If you're in bad relations with the leader of the organization I doubt very much you can still work with them as if nothing happened or be like "Hey sorry dude I just had a bad day after blowing/zaving the baze and whatnot, are we coolz again or not ?"

Neither I nor my renegade Shepard(s) agree with or trust Cerberus completely, but even so if the Collector Base is preserved Shepard doesn't close the door on Cerberus.  Why would he/she after trusting them with the Collector Base?  "I just turned over some potentially very powerful and dangerous technology to a ruthless group of jingoists with xenophobic tendencies, but I'm not willing to work with them!"  Huh?

I'd like to note that during Arrival Admiral Hackett makes a comment on whether or not he's sure if the Normandy is a Cerberus vessel anymore, but only if the Collector Base was destroyed.

Modifié par HogarthHughes 3, 07 août 2011 - 06:57 .

[Darkelefantos1]

But we do all know that Cerberus is one of the main antagonist factions in Mass Effect 3, don't we? Even if you don't blow the base up (hints of indoctrination). So why did you go at each other throats for so long?

Modifié par Darkelefantos1, 07 août 2011 - 06:52 .

[TMA LIVE]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

To run Cerberus yourself depends on you. If you're a xenophode who's hungry for power or human dominance, then that's kind of bad. But someone like Miranda or Jacob (or both) could change things for the better. If you can make the best of things, why not? Keeping Cerberus not running by TIM can be beneficial to anyone. Morally depends on you or the person taking over. Though I'd probably prefer to restructure it, since as Miranda says, many join out of simple xenophodia.

"For the better" is a interesting definition.

LEe's say you replace TIM wiht someone else who shuts down half the projects and slows down the pace pf researhc in others, due to his moral objections to everything and draconic safety precautions.

And then the reapers caome and kill you all, since the super-weapon agaisnt them isn't ready yet (or researched at all)..and as you look at the galaxy in flames, your last though would be "dang..TIM could have pushed the weapon out in time..."

Rather depressing really..

If we really depended solely on one terrorist organization to save us, and no one else, then we were already screwed. That's like saying the Council or the Alliance couldn't possibly be doing their own research and weapon building behind Shepard's back after gathering pieces of Sovereign. That clearly everything depends on Cerberus.

If you believe that, then that's your opinion. Which I don't agree with.

That depends.

Given the the CB is the best source of reaper knowledge available (with Sovy beign blown up and msot of it missing), and given Cerberses fanatical dedication and TIM's pushing...I'd say the CB and Cerberus have the biggest chances of producing something vital for the war (ar al least, the bigggest piece of the puzzle).

Not saying that no one else is doing anything, but the situation as it is, we need everything we can get.
And well..why WOULD we be screwed if we depended on Cerberus?

Because if something happens to them, that one organisation (like says, destroying themselves, or oddly joining the enemy, attacked by the Council, and lose too many resources to do research), then you're screwed. Because at the end of the day, they're just one group among many who could do their own research. They're aren't a major army. They aren't the only science division in the galaxy. Expecting them to be you're one and only savior is a gamble on the race track. If that horse you bet all your money on doesn't perform as you hoped, then you're screwed.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 07 août 2011 - 06:55 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Pulletlamer wrote...

Yes, he does actually end to work for them.


Shepard:"Human dominance, or just Cerberus?"

TIM:"They're one and the same. My mission has always been to promote and secure humanity's continued strength.
Don't let idealism blind you. Using the best way to its fullest potential it's the best way to fulfill ours".

IIIInteresting