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[TMA LIVE]

strive wrote...

That's an opinion. If they wanted it that way, it would only be played after the SM. They didn't do that.

Well it is the opinion of the people who make the game and decide what is canon and what isn't. I would say it matters quite a bit.

Well, who said it and where? Like I said, everyone has a different opinion.

[TMA LIVE]

strive wrote...

They can say that, but that doesn't change that I can change the order in game.

True, but they can decide the order of the canon timeline, and and they say it is the after the SM. You can ignore it in your own playthroughs, but when you take it to a forum, I think it should be discussed from the canon's persepctive.

If they do that ingame, you're right. I can't ignore it.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I don't think true AI can exist without an organic component. I don't think even EDI is pure electronics, but we don't know that much about EDI except it was created from Reaper tech. Geth aren't true AI either.

Sovereign (Nazara) was a platform containing countless programs that required an organic component for true AI capability. My reasoning about the HR is that component is the brain of the Reaper, hence the need for organic goo of a particular species, and apparently you can't just randomly throw different species into one Reaper.

And who says that it has to be living breathing organics that go into them? They turn them to dead goo for the dna. Now the complete Reaper can indoctrinate and I'm guessing that's because of the organic component.

A reaper factory like the CB wasn't built in a few months. I think the factory is necessary to make new reapers. The CB also contains the HR (unconscious or dead, who knows?), but in all likelihood it is probably unconscious and could be salvaged. So turn the CB over to Cerberus?

Do you think for one minute that Cerberus wouldn't try to salvage it? Do you think for one minute that they wouldn't try to build one in the effort to understand how the tech all works? i'm thinking all that really needs to be done is growing tissue and that can be done in vats, and think they can control it, but the crew gets indoctrinated instead? And do you think for one minute that the Reapers wouldn't be able to recapture the CB and start building new Reapers there? According to what I've read so far, Cerberus will have several ships guarding the CB entrance from the Omega relay.

Perhaps this is the difference between the endings. Destroy the base and Cerberus is not indoctrinated, but TIM is after you and I think he can wait until after the battle to take out revenge. Look for an appearance of Kai at some point later but not in ME3. Keep the base and Cerberus becomes indoctrinated and you've got a new threat.

We know from BW history with this series that the default ending to ME1 was the renegade ending. What's to say that we didn't see the result of the renegade ending of ME2 in the clip from ME3, since I can almost state with certainty that keeping the base for Cerberus is the default.

Given the possibility that more bad than good can come from that base, remembering that even a dead reaper can indoctrinate, blow... it... up. It has nothing to do with "I will not sacrifice the soul of humanity...." More likely that humanity does not have the wisdom to use such technology.

Parallel is the Stargate Atlantis replicants. Machines created to destroy the Wraith, but after the Ancients were wiped out, their mission became self preservation. This is what I think happened with the Reapers -- built to defend the galaxy against some ancient foe (that being arising intelligent life in the galaxy) but after their creators became extinct, the Reaper mission became self-preservation.

Okay, lots of arm waving here, but you get my point.

[TMA LIVE]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Metagaming is irrelveant and gameplay numbers is irrelevant as tehy do not conform to canon. Like "rare" mages in DA that spring from every rock.

Yes, Cerberus could be a nusiance, but that's all they are  - a nusiance. Comapred to the power of the reapers - insignificant and easy to deal with. not to mentio ntaht you dont' even have to wait till the reapers show up.

Demand tech from Cerberus in intervals - if they fail to deliver, take by force. Taht way you should recive most of it by hte time the reapers arrive anyway.

And the benefits far outweigh the risks

No offense but is this your topic? Is this your thread? Because if it isn't, you kind of don't have the right to say how people make their judgements.

You can say "Well, that's your opinion". But instead you're coming here, saying this is irrelevant. This doesn't match your logic. This isn't following your rules. This doesn't match what you consider correct. You're acting as if we should think the way you think. Why do you think people aren't treating you well? You even called someone's Shepard an idiot.

Heck, I answered one of your questions, and gave me one of these in your answer.

People don't agree with you. Just accept it. Stop being rude about it.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 08 août 2011 - 08:13 .

[goofyomnivore]

Well, who said it and where? Like I said, everyone has a different opinion.

Casey Hudson: The DLC 'Arrival' is basically the last piece of story that bridges the two games.

http://www.computera...ough-decisions/

If they do that ingame, you're right. I can't ignore it.

The fact that they call it a "bridge" DLC kind of points that is intended to be between Mass Effect 2 and 3.

[TMA LIVE]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

I don't think true AI can exist without an organic component. I don't think even EDI is pure electronics, but we don't know that much about EDI except it was created from Reaper tech. Geth aren't true AI either.

Sovereign (Nazara) was a platform containing countless programs that required an organic component for true AI capability. My reasoning about the HR is that component is the brain of the Reaper, hence the need for organic goo of a particular species, and apparently you can't just randomly throw different species into one Reaper.

And who says that it has to be living breathing organics that go into them? They turn them to dead goo for the dna. Now the complete Reaper can indoctrinate and I'm guessing that's because of the organic component.

A reaper factory like the CB wasn't built in a few months. I think the factory is necessary to make new reapers. The CB also contains the HR (unconscious or dead, who knows?), but in all likelihood it is probably unconscious and could be salvaged. So turn the CB over to Cerberus?

Do you think for one minute that Cerberus wouldn't try to salvage it? Do you think for one minute that they wouldn't try to build one in the effort to understand how the tech all works? i'm thinking all that really needs to be done is growing tissue and that can be done in vats, and think they can control it, but the crew gets indoctrinated instead? And do you think for one minute that the Reapers wouldn't be able to recapture the CB and start building new Reapers there? According to what I've read so far, Cerberus will have several ships guarding the CB entrance from the Omega relay.

Perhaps this is the difference between the endings. Destroy the base and Cerberus is not indoctrinated, but TIM is after you and I think he can wait until after the battle to take out revenge. Look for an appearance of Kai at some point later but not in ME3. Keep the base and Cerberus becomes indoctrinated and you've got a new threat.

We know from BW history with this series that the default ending to ME1 was the renegade ending. What's to say that we didn't see the result of the renegade ending of ME2 in the clip from ME3, since I can almost state with certainty that keeping the base for Cerberus is the default.

Given the possibility that more bad than good can come from that base, remembering that even a dead reaper can indoctrinate, blow... it... up. It has nothing to do with "I will not sacrifice the soul of humanity...." More likely that humanity does not have the wisdom to use such technology.

Parallel is the Stargate Atlantis replicants. Machines created to destroy the Wraith, but after the Ancients were wiped out, their mission became self preservation. This is what I think happened with the Reapers -- built to defend the galaxy against some ancient foe (that being arising intelligent life in the galaxy) but after their creators became extinct, the Reaper mission became self-preservation.

Okay, lots of arm waving here, but you get my point.

Regarding how Cerberus actings based on the ending, I think Casey on twitter, or someone said Cerberus is after you regardless of your choice. I don't remember if he said they were working for the Reapers regardless. I don't have a link on me at the moment though to confirm it.

As for the Human Reaper still being alive or around, I guess it depends if the radiation pulse or the fall killed it (or shooting it's glowing parts). But if it isn't, I do bet Cerberus would dissect the Human Reaper for study. Or if they're working for the Reapers since taking the base, try to finish where the Collector left off, if possible. And if it is still alive, I guess it could try to use its indoctrination signal on Cerberus if they aren't careful.

[Sisterofshane]

strive wrote...

Well, who said it and where? Like I said, everyone has a different opinion.

Casey Hudson: The DLC 'Arrival' is basically the last piece of story that bridges the two games.

http://www.computera...ough-decisions/

If they do that ingame, you're right. I can't ignore it.

The fact that they call it a "bridge" DLC kind of points that is intended to be between Mass Effect 2 and 3.

No, that's a misnomer.  "Bridge" in the sentence above is meant to mean "tie-together", and they could theorectically be tied together at any point within the two games.  "Last piece" just refers to the fact that it was the last DLC developed for ME2, not specifically that it was meant to be "played last" in any specific playthrough.

I've said it once and I'll say it again, if the developers had meant the game to be played ONLY after the suicide mission, then they would have only made it available after the suicide mission.  The very fact that the mission is playable right after horizon negates this very idea that it was "meant" to be played last.

[Lotion Soronarr]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Metagaming is irrelveant and gameplay numbers is irrelevant as tehy do not conform to canon. Like "rare" mages in DA that spring from every rock.

Yes, Cerberus could be a nusiance, but that's all they are  - a nusiance. Comapred to the power of the reapers - insignificant and easy to deal with. not to mentio ntaht you dont' even have to wait till the reapers show up.

Demand tech from Cerberus in intervals - if they fail to deliver, take by force. Taht way you should recive most of it by hte time the reapers arrive anyway.

And the benefits far outweigh the risks

No offense but is this your topic? Is this your thread? Because if it isn't, you kind of don't have the right to say how people make their judgements.

You can say "Well, that's your opinion". But instead you're coming here, saying this is irrelevant. This doesn't match your logic. This isn't following your rules. This doesn't match what you consider correct. You're acting as if we should think the way you think. Why do you think people aren't treating you well? You even called someone's Shepard an idiot.

Heck, I answered one of your questions, and gave me one of these in your answer.

People don't agree with you. Just accept it. Stop being rude about it.

I have the right and I will.
If we are discussing teh decision at the time of hte SM, the nmetagaming argument do not apply BY DEFAULT. If you used matagaming to come to theri choice, then ti is flawed in the conext of hte choice as it is raised.

Some poepel don't agree with me. So what?
I accept they don't agree with me. I don't accept their arguments, as me and some others pointed the flaws in them.

Now you say "it's valid from a certain POV" . Yes it is. And so is the flat Earth theory. And the Earth is 6000 years old one. That doesn't make it correct.

I may be very blunt in my speech, but I least I try and attack the arguments themselvess not the poeple (as opposed to some other people here, who attack the poster insted of the argument).

So how about you (and they) stop being rude about it? It takes two to tango my friend.

[TMA LIVE]

strive wrote...

Well, who said it and where? Like I said, everyone has a different opinion.

Casey Hudson: The DLC 'Arrival' is basically the last piece of story that bridges the two games.

http://www.computera...ough-decisions/

If they do that ingame, you're right. I can't ignore it.

The fact that they call it a "bridge" DLC kind of points that is intended to be between Mass Effect 2 and 3.

They also call it a epilogue DLC, but wanted people the option to chose when they played the story. Meaning it could be an epilogue. Or it isn't. It depends on you.

That doesn't mean they consider forcing Arrival to be a certain canon, besides that it happens regardless.

Like it's not like Redemption, where it's literally dated, and told to have happened a month after the Normandy was destroyed. Arrival could be an epilogue, or it isn't. It's more of a way of showing you a story that'll setup how ME3 will begin. That's how it's an epilogue.

I think you misunderstand what I mean. I mean, if ME3 begins and says it happened after the SM, even though I did it before, I can't ignore it. But if they do say it happened before as I played it, or simply don't give a date, then they aren't forcing a canon on me. Well, besides that it happened.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 08 août 2011 - 08:55 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Did you really contribute ANYNTHING of importance lately?

No, all you have is bad jokes, even worse jokes about Cerberus scientists and stabds about other people.

Quit trolling.

this discussion is in stalemate,you have contributed nothing but the typical "I'm a logic god  I assume things and they become fact.",you refuse to accept the possibility you can be wrong,and instead try to tell everyone else that they are wrong,it isn't a math problem lotion,given the same evidence we shouldn't all come to the same conclussion.

Actually, given accurate facts, in most cases people should come to the same conclusion.

The difference happens when:
- the starting assumptions are incorrect and/or different
- the facts are missing or misenterpreted
- facts are weighted with a heavy bias

The poeple in this thread that argued saving the base, did a far better job defending the case, and presented far more solid and better arguments.

I can very much accept that I am wrong, but s much as you demand it, I will not accept your conclusion as equal, unless it's supported by facts and good arguments.

[goofyomnivore]

I've said it once and I'll say it again, if the developers had meant the game to be played ONLY after the suicide mission, then they would have only made it available after the suicide mission. The very fact that the mission is playable right after horizon negates this very idea that it was "meant" to be played last.

Cerberus Daily News mentions an interview with Dr. Kenson in January 06 2186.[mass effect 2]
Alliance News Network states that the Reaper invasion begins June 06 2186.[trailer]
Casey Hudson states Arrival happens 2 months before Mass Effect 3 [xbox mag]
Jesse Houston states Mass Effect 2's "ending -- Suicide Mission" happens six-twelve months before Mass Effect 3.[bioware pulse]

January the bare min, is six months before Mass Effect 3, and Kenson is alive. Arrival happens on ironically, March 06.

It is playable anytime because not everyone has end game saves, and the content has gameplay features such as upgrades and resources. Nothing more nothing less. All these sources are in Phaedon's thread.

[TMA LIVE]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Metagaming is irrelveant and gameplay numbers is irrelevant as tehy do not conform to canon. Like "rare" mages in DA that spring from every rock.

Yes, Cerberus could be a nusiance, but that's all they are  - a nusiance. Comapred to the power of the reapers - insignificant and easy to deal with. not to mentio ntaht you dont' even have to wait till the reapers show up.

Demand tech from Cerberus in intervals - if they fail to deliver, take by force. Taht way you should recive most of it by hte time the reapers arrive anyway.

And the benefits far outweigh the risks

No offense but is this your topic? Is this your thread? Because if it isn't, you kind of don't have the right to say how people make their judgements.

You can say "Well, that's your opinion". But instead you're coming here, saying this is irrelevant. This doesn't match your logic. This isn't following your rules. This doesn't match what you consider correct. You're acting as if we should think the way you think. Why do you think people aren't treating you well? You even called someone's Shepard an idiot.

Heck, I answered one of your questions, and gave me one of these in your answer.

People don't agree with you. Just accept it. Stop being rude about it.

I have the right and I will.
If we are discussing teh decision at the time of hte SM, the nmetagaming argument do not apply BY DEFAULT. If you used matagaming to come to theri choice, then ti is flawed in the conext of hte choice as it is raised.

Some poepel don't agree with me. So what?
I accept they don't agree with me. I don't accept their arguments, as me and some others pointed the flaws in them.

Now you say "it's valid from a certain POV" . Yes it is. And so is the flat Earth theory. And the Earth is 6000 years old one. That doesn't make it correct.

I may be very blunt in my speech, but I least I try and attack the arguments themselvess not the poeple (as opposed to some other people here, who attack the poster insted of the argument).

So how about you (and they) stop being rude about it? It takes two to tango my friend.

You don't have the right to insult people. I never said you couldn't disagree or had to agree. But you're going out of your way and saying words aren't even equal to yours.

[Lotion Soronarr]

[quote]sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
A reaper factory like the CB wasn't built in a few months. I think the factory is necessary to make new reapers. The CB also contains the HR (unconscious or dead, who knows?), but in all likelihood it is probably unconscious and could be salvaged. So turn the CB over to Cerberus?

Do you think for one minute that Cerberus wouldn't try to salvage it? Do you think for one minute that they wouldn't try to build one in the effort to understand how the tech all works? i'm thinking all that really needs to be done is growing tissue and that can be done in vats, and think they can control it, but the crew gets indoctrinated instead? And do you think for one minute that the Reapers wouldn't be able to recapture the CB and start building new Reapers there? According to what I've read so far, Cerberus will have several ships guarding the CB entrance from the Omega relay. [/quote]


Honestly, I dont' think Cerberus would try to build a reaper. It's faaaaar too stupid, even for them.
Why? Because it isn't necessary. It isn't smart. And most of all - it isn't practical.

Reapers are ships with a AI/organic "core".
You don't need the core to have the weapons ,armorr, shield and engines. If it's a ship crewed by humans, it becomes much more secure - and also easier to manufacture.

Also..remote detonator on the base. All problems solved.


[quote]
Given the possibility that more bad than good can come from that base, remembering that even a dead reaper can indoctrinate, blow... it... up. It has nothing to do with "I will not sacrifice the soul of humanity...." More likely that humanity does not have the wisdom to use such technology.f/quote]

the derelict reaper was not really dead..more like wounded and hibernating.

And blow the base or not - you're still going to face indoctrination once the reapers come. What will be your defense against it then?
If you don't find something, you're going to end up fighting your own pople...

[Lotion Soronarr]

TMA LIVE wrote...

You don't have the right to insult people. I never said you couldn't disagree or had to agree. But you're going out of your way and saying words aren't even equal to yours.

This is where you are wrong. I'm not going out of my way to insult anyone - but questioning the choices some of you made turns me into a human punching bag for some of you.

Who is insulting whom here exactly?

[TMA LIVE]

strive wrote...

I've said it once and I'll say it again, if the developers had meant the game to be played ONLY after the suicide mission, then they would have only made it available after the suicide mission. The very fact that the mission is playable right after horizon negates this very idea that it was "meant" to be played last.

Cerberus Daily News mentions an interview with Dr. Kenson in January 06 2186.[mass effect 2]
Alliance News Network states that the Reaper invasion begins June 06 2186.[trailer]
Casey Hudson states Arrival happens 2 months before Mass Effect 3 [xbox mag]
Jesse Houston states Mass Effect 2's "ending -- Suicide Mission" happens six-twelve months before Mass Effect 3.[bioware pulse]

January the bare min, is six months before Mass Effect 3, and Kenson is alive. Arrival happens on ironically, March 06.

It is playable anytime because not everyone has end game saves, and the content has gameplay features such as upgrades and resources. Nothing more nothing less. All these sources are in Phaedon's thread.

When ME2 ended is never dated (or at least I don't think). And Jesse has also said "roughly 6 to 12 months after the end of ME2" at 23:30. If I had to guess, he's saying that incase there's a difference. Like playing Arrival and LOTSB after ME2, or not.

http://www.livestrea...b85c03e9b&utm_s

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 08 août 2011 - 09:07 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Pulletlamer wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
The Collector base is irrelevant ot the enemy regarding their war effort. The HR is not aconcern when oyu have thousands of reapers.

Also, I did gain something - knowledge. And I know where to find it. Cerberus has it.
Hence, why I can take that knowledge back. As long as that knowledge exists and it it's in human hands, I can take it easily.

It's not irrelevent if you're preventing them from making more of these guys.


After all, they still want to harvest you.



"Your leaders will beg to be harvested."

But I guess you want that to continue, and don't mind it. Or do you?

Irrelevant.

He just proved you're wrong and that's irrelevant?

I mean, seriously. No offense but, Idk, seems that when you see fit you just declare all arguments irrelevant.

He didn't prove me wrong. A single base that requires resources (people - and a large amount of people dissapearing is not somehing you can hide) is not a match for any of the nations.

It can be too easily blown up and Cerberus doesn't have the naval strangth to defend it.

[TMA LIVE]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

I can very much accept that I am wrong, but s much as you demand it, I will not accept your conclusion as equal, unless it's supported by facts and good arguments.

These are your words. Which pretty much means you consider this more about getting your approval, or it's not equal. Or it's not a good argument. Or you simply don't approve of the facts given.

Again, you're acting as if we have to win you over, or apparenty we aren't making smart choices. Which alone is rude.

Is this your thread? Because if it isn't, we shouldn't need your approval.

And now there's this "two to tango".

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 08 août 2011 - 09:19 .

[goofyomnivore]

When ME2 ended is never dated (or at least I don't think). And Jesse has
also said "roughly 6 to 12 months after the end of ME2" at 23:30. If I
had to guess, he's saying that incase there's a difference. Like playing
Arrival and LOTSB after ME2, or not

If Mass Effect 3's events start, June 2186 -- Mass Effect 2's ending ends somewhere between January 2186 and June 2185 according to Houston. Arrival according to Hudson is two months before Mass Effect 3 aka March. CDN even says Kenson is alive in January.

Modifié par strive, 08 août 2011 - 09:17 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...


You have a very weird defenition of power.
The power of Cerberus isn't direct naval combat.
Their
power is to empower others. By sharing infor and tech, they can enhace
our fleets, thus increasing our chances agaisnt the repaers.
Alone, they can't do that. Alone, they don't have the ships or the manpower to pose a serious threat to anyone.

No, there power is to have power over others. Like with Project Overlord and the Geth. An entire army they could possibly control. Or disabling Asari from using biotics with a drug.

And as TIM says, he plans on using it for Human Dominance and beyond. You can't do that by sharing with the people you want to dominate.

Give me an example of TIM wanting to share this tech with anyone who isn't human? Does he want to share this with the Turians?

Asari drugs? Thet have to be administered to every Asari? That's about as practical as having your troops run around with needles trying to infect all enemy soldiers with a virus.

And I say again - you cannot dominate anyone if you don't survive. I have examples of TIM doing things to perserve peace between the races andease tensions. ther's examples of TIM feeding tech to the SA.
Not yet with the turians, but that doesn't prove anything, as htere was no reaper threat before.

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Hint - patrols are usually frigates.
And I fail to see what point you're tring to make here....

He doesn't say patrols. He says ships. And they are outmatched. Watch the clip yourself.

I know what he sez. But what kind of ships?
Note that Thanix gives Normady the firepower of a CRUISER.

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

He can't secure human dominance if humanity is dead either. Priorities.

Not
to mention that the base is something that will give benefits over a
long period of time. Even if TIM were to share everything by the time
the reapers arrive, there will be more to dig from the base in the
future.

He can secure human dominance if the rest of the galaxy burns, while he makes the Alliance stronger. Not that I consider such a plan smart. But tell TIM that, since he believes in sacrificing if it benefits him.

And again, if it has benefits, he ain't sharing if he believes the base will "Secure human domiance and beyond".



"It will secure our domance in the galaxy. Against the reapers and beyond."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRHhdc53Od8&feature=player_detailpage#t=517s

"It will insure human domance in the galaxy. Against the Reapers and beyond."

"I don't think he'd take it that far sir."

"I will"

He literally says he plans on using it for more then just Reapers.

And he can't make human's dominate if he shares it with the galaxy. Then everyone's on the same page. That means he has to keep it for himself.

If the rest of the galaxy burns, so does humanity. Humanity CANNOT stand alone. This is a fact that everyone acknowledges - Hackett, TIM.. everyone.

Nothing you said here contradict my post you quoted.

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

It's supposed to take place after the SM.
And TIM doesn't have to give Shep any more power. He is not humanity.

It can be played before. You can't say otherwise.

And Shepard was consider the one man that can stand against the greatest threat. Apparently you think he changed his mind.

No, but Shep won't be standing alone. And you have toa sk yoursef what is the role of Sheppard really?

[TMA LIVE]

strive wrote...

When ME2 ended is never dated (or at least I don't think). And Jesse has
also said "roughly 6 to 12 months after the end of ME2" at 23:30. If I
had to guess, he's saying that incase there's a difference. Like playing
Arrival and LOTSB after ME2, or not

If Mass Effect 3's events start, June 2186 -- Mass Effect 2's ending ends somewhere between January 2186 and June 2185 according to Houston. Arrival according to Hudson is two months before Mass Effect 3 aka March. CDN even says Kenson is alive in January.

Maybe. Has ME3 been given an official start date?

[Lotion Soronarr]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

I can very much accept that I am wrong, but s much as you demand it, I will not accept your conclusion as equal, unless it's supported by facts and good arguments.

These are your words. Which pretty much means you consider this more about getting your approval, or it's not equal. Or it's not a good argument. Or you simply don't approve of the facts given.

Again, you're acting as if we have to win you over, or apparenty we're aren't making smart choices. Which alone is rude.

Is this your thread? Because if it isn't, we shouldn't need your approval.

And now there's this "two to tango".

Get off the high horse you're claiming I'm riding upon.

My approval? Boy, you sure know how to deliberatly misinterpret and read into things.

And that is funny in a sad, sad way.

You seem to be insulted by everything that isn't design to suck up to you. so..If I want good arguments and facts, I'm being rude now? Heh.

Sad indeed.


Given the barrage of insults ftom H_T, SWM and a few others, I'd say me holding back was more than exemplary.
If you're so much insulted by me poking holes in your arguments, maybe you shouldn't read my posts.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 08 août 2011 - 09:22 .

[goofyomnivore]

TMA LIVE wrote...

strive wrote...

When ME2 ended is never dated (or at least I don't think). And Jesse has
also said "roughly 6 to 12 months after the end of ME2" at 23:30. If I
had to guess, he's saying that incase there's a difference. Like playing
Arrival and LOTSB after ME2, or not

If Mass Effect 3's events start, June 2186 -- Mass Effect 2's ending ends somewhere between January 2186 and June 2185 according to Houston. Arrival according to Hudson is two months before Mass Effect 3 aka March. CDN even says Kenson is alive in January.

Maybe. Has ME3 been given an official start date?

Well the gameplay trailer where the Reapers are landing down, y'know the one with Anderson? Their "Arrival" so to speak, the ANN trailer says the date is June 6th 2186 as the Reapers are ascending down. So I would say it is safe to assume those two happen close to one another.

Modifié par strive, 08 août 2011 - 09:22 .

[Sisterofshane]

strive wrote...

I've said it once and I'll say it again, if the developers had meant the game to be played ONLY after the suicide mission, then they would have only made it available after the suicide mission. The very fact that the mission is playable right after horizon negates this very idea that it was "meant" to be played last.

Cerberus Daily News mentions an interview with Dr. Kenson in January 06 2186.[mass effect 2]
Alliance News Network states that the Reaper invasion begins June 06 2186.[trailer]
Casey Hudson states Arrival happens 2 months before Mass Effect 3 [xbox mag]
Jesse Houston states Mass Effect 2's "ending -- Suicide Mission" happens six-twelve months before Mass Effect 3.[bioware pulse]

January the bare min, is six months before Mass Effect 3, and Kenson is alive. Arrival happens on ironically, March 06.

It is playable anytime because not everyone has end game saves, and the content has gameplay features such as upgrades and resources. Nothing more nothing less. All these sources are in Phaedon's thread.

The upgrades and "end save games" are irrelevant, because of the fact that the game can be continued after the SM regardless.  I think that what matters more is that Shep has a possibilty of dying during the Suicide mission.  They want everyone to be able to play the game and all of the DLC's, regardless of how their game ends.

Arrival occuring after the Suicide mission is just NOT CANON.  No matter how you argue it.  Even if the Dev's say things that are contradictory.  You can play it before SM.  Any arguments based upon this fact need to take into account that this is a possibility.

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Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Asari drugs? Thet have to be administered to every Asari? That's
about as practical as having your troops run around with needles trying
to infect all enemy soldiers with a virus.

And I say again - you
cannot dominate anyone if you don't survive. I have examples of
TIM doing things to perserve peace between the races andease tensions.
ther's examples of TIM feeding tech to the SA.
Not yet with the turians, but that doesn't prove anything, as htere was no reaper threat before.

You never consider a more airborn version? Or stunning an entire asari unit with Collector bugs, that also infect them? The base can probably help them with that too, since that can learn how to make them.

And what examples do you have? Is there a link?

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
I know what he sez. But what kind of ships?
Note that Thanix gives Normady the firepower of a CRUISER.

He doesn't say patrol ships. You're allowed to assume he sent patrol ships after a Collector Ship. Though I don't consider that smart of the Alliance to do if they planned on taking it out.

But considering they say "We're outmatched" I'd say they sent bigger things them simply patrol ships. Otherwise, he wouldn't say that.

And the Normandy is considered a Frigate.

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

If the rest of the galaxy burns, so does humanity. Humanity
CANNOT stand alone. This is a fact that everyone acknowledges - Hackett,
TIM.. everyone.

Nothing you said here contradict my post you quoted.

Has TIM said humanity can't stand alone, and that they need the other races? I don't remember him saying that.

But if you want my opinion, if TIM wanted to dominate while the rest of the galaxy doesn't benefit, he simple gives the the tech and knowledge to the Alliance, who uses it to win against the Reapers. While he keeps whatever he has too to himself and Cerberus.

That doesn't change the rest of the galaxy fighting the Reapers. Or the Alliance fighting with them. But humanity clearly has the better goods, and remains the most powerful in the end.

And that's if he wasn't working for the Reapers.

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

No, but Shep won't be standing alone. And you have toa sk yoursef what is the role of Sheppard really?

Shepard's going on trial. Which means he does stand alone apparently.

And you said TIM doesn't have to give Shepard any more power. So are you saying TIM won't help Shepard after you gave him the base? Even if Shepard didn't hang up on TIM, and expects to lead a war?

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We are going to end up fighting our own people no matter what anyway. It's what humans do best. Yeah, so Cerberus is after Shepard no matter what. My guess is going to be 1) kept CB indoctrinated; or 2) destroyed CB a Cerberus hit squad directed to kill you by TIM.

My guess is that it is not necessarily going to be superior tech but superior ingenuity that gets the job done in the end.