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[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
I know what he sez. But what kind of ships?
Note that Thanix gives Normady the firepower of a CRUISER.

So? You think it's just as easy as to just strapping the Thanix onto every ship there is?

It's not. It's really not.

You have to readjust the power systems, you have to give the gun and the ship a new feeding mechanism and you have to make new space in the ship in which it can carry its new payload. Not to mention that I don't think that the turians or anyone involved with the government want to make the Thanix so publicly available if it can make a frigate carry enough firepower to take on a cruiser and win.

[TMA LIVE]

strive wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

strive wrote...

When ME2 ended is never dated (or at least I don't think). And Jesse has
also said "roughly 6 to 12 months after the end of ME2" at 23:30. If I
had to guess, he's saying that incase there's a difference. Like playing
Arrival and LOTSB after ME2, or not

If Mass Effect 3's events start, June 2186 -- Mass Effect 2's ending ends somewhere between January 2186 and June 2185 according to Houston. Arrival according to Hudson is two months before Mass Effect 3 aka March. CDN even says Kenson is alive in January.

Maybe. Has ME3 been given an official start date?

Well the gameplay trailer where the Reapers are landing down, y'know the one with Anderson? Their "Arrival" so to speak, the ANN trailer says the date is June 6th 2186 as the Reapers are ascending down. So I would say it is safe to assume those two happen close to one another.

Ah, k. So they did put a date. Well, considering I can't find the 2 month bit, I can't deny or confirm it. If you're right, Casey could be saying that as if it was finished after ME2. Or they might have changed their minds since Jesse says 12 to 6 months since ME2. Or maybe they are giving a number if you played it last. Either way, like I said, it doesn't matter to me when Bioware wants me to play it. If it's possible to play it before, then that's all that matters to me. Unless ME3 retcons when it happens in game. Then I'd be pissed.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 08 août 2011 - 10:21 .

[goofyomnivore]

The upgrades and "end save games are irrelevant

End game saves irrelevent? They released Arrival around the same time the game came to PS3. One system likely had no end game saves to play it on release. Upgrades directly impact the gameplay, and if you don't get them until after you have completed the majority of the game their value has been lost. It is simply an option for the power gamer to consider.

Arrival occuring after the Suicide mission is just NOT CANON.

The timeline and devs disagree. Just because you can do something in a game doesn't dismiss canon. For example you can give your Engineer biotic abilties, but Engineers are described to not have biotic implants in the codex.

No matter how you argue it.

Taking the information/facts we know and applying them isn't a valid argument, yup sounds like BSN.

Well, considering I can't find the 2 month bit

Interview with Casey from the French Xbox Magazine. http://social.biowar...423/blog/35955/ (Known Features Thread)

Modifié par strive, 08 août 2011 - 10:21 .

[TMA LIVE]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

I can very much accept that I am wrong, but s much as you demand it, I will not accept your conclusion as equal, unless it's supported by facts and good arguments.

These are your words. Which pretty much means you consider this more about getting your approval, or it's not equal. Or it's not a good argument. Or you simply don't approve of the facts given.

Again, you're acting as if we have to win you over, or apparenty we're aren't making smart choices. Which alone is rude.

Is this your thread? Because if it isn't, we shouldn't need your approval.

And now there's this "two to tango".

Get off the high horse you're claiming I'm riding upon.

My approval? Boy, you sure know how to deliberatly misinterpret and read into things.

And that is funny in a sad, sad way.

You seem to be insulted by everything that isn't design to suck up to you. so..If I want good arguments and facts, I'm being rude now? Heh.

Sad indeed.


Given the barrage of insults ftom H_T, SWM and a few others, I'd say me holding back was more than exemplary.
If you're so much insulted by me poking holes in your arguments, maybe you shouldn't read my posts.

I'm just saying, if you want to know why they're being hostile to you, that's why.

You're even literally telling people that can't even metagame there reasons.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 08 août 2011 - 10:25 .

[Pulletlamer]

Arrival was intended to be played after the main plot. Period.

That it can be played and makes sense to be played after horizon doesn't mean it happens (plot-wise) at anytime during ME2. It's just to give the player the oportunity to find the bonuses (upgrades etc) useful.

I believe all the DLCs can be played after horizon, but that doesn't mean that they occur plot-wise after it. For example, we know LOTSB happens after the main game. But you can play it after horizon.

Why? Because it's for gameplay purposes. Don't over-analyze it.

Modifié par Pulletlamer, 08 août 2011 - 10:30 .

[Someone With Mass]

strive wrote...
The timeline and devs disagree. Just because you can do something in a game doesn't dismiss canon. For example you can give your Engineer biotic abilties, but Engineers are described to not have biotic implants in the codex.

Then again, the timeline says that Shepard endured two eezo exposures during childhood.

[goofyomnivore]

Then again, the timeline says that Shepard endured two eezo exposures during childhood.

Eezo exposure =/= biotics, sometimes it gives tumors, and other times nothing at all. I guess you could argue the Lazarus project gave you biotics in Mass Effect 2, but for Mass Effect you're out of luck.

Modifié par strive, 08 août 2011 - 10:35 .

[Someone With Mass]

strive wrote...
Eezo exposure =/= biotics, sometimes it gives tumors, and other times nothing at all.

2168 CE

Kaidan Alenko accidentally kills Commander Vyrnnus after being provoked. The diplomatic fallout with the turians results in BAaT being shut down a year later.

Shepard receives secondary exposure to element zero. Permanent biotic inclination manifests.

One could say that it only happens to biotic specialized Shepards, but there's at least one excuse to why Shepard can use biotics in any case. 

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 08 août 2011 - 10:37 .

[goofyomnivore]

I had this same debate with Mesina2 basically, "One could say that it only happens to biotic specialized Shepards, but there's at least one excuse to why Shepard can use biotics in any case." is fan speculation and not part of the game, and based off of a bugged dialogue with Kaidan Alenko. It is like under source 20 IIRC, where the editors of the "Biotics" page mention that piece being SOLOY fan speculation.

Modifié par strive, 08 août 2011 - 10:40 .

[TMA LIVE]

strive wrote...

Interview with Casey from the French Xbox Magazine. http://social.biowar...423/blog/35955/ (Known Features Thread)

There is a bit saying Arrival takes place 2 months after Arrival, but the link next to it is dead. And I can't find it here.

http://social.biowar...index/7649262/1

You sure it isn't a detail that changed?

Anyways, if Casey did says it, either he's giving a date for when Arrival "could" have taken place. Or that date has changed.

Either way, if I want Arrival to happen during ME2, I can do it. Or if after the SM, same deal.

EDIT: Wait a minute. Cerberus Daily News isn't even dated. All you know is that Kenson was alive after "a" new year. That could have been the new year during ME2.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 08 août 2011 - 10:43 .

[Someone With Mass]

strive wrote...

I had this same debate with Mesina2 basically, "One could say that it only happens to biotic specialized Shepards, but there's at least one excuse to why Shepard can use biotics in any case." is fan speculation and not part of the game, and based off of a bugged dialogue with Kaidan Alenko. It is like under source 20 IIRC, where the editors of the "Biotics" page mention that piece being SOLOY fan speculation.

Just saying.

[goofyomnivore]

Wait a minute. Cerberus Daily News isn't even dated. All you know is that Kenson was alive after "a" new year. That could have been the new year during ME2.

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/CDN

In-universe, these news reports take place in 2185 and 2186 CE. Kenson is in the last batch, so to me that implies it is in January 2186, and not to mention it is released AFTER the new years CDN so it is clearly after 2185.

Modifié par strive, 08 août 2011 - 10:51 .

[Sisterofshane]

strive wrote...

The upgrades and "end save games are irrelevant

End game saves irrelevent? They released Arrival around the same time the game came to PS3. One system likely had no end game saves to play it on release. Upgrades directly impact the gameplay, and if you don't get them until after you have completed the majority of the game their value has been lost. It is simply an option for the power gamer to consider.

Arrival occuring after the Suicide mission is just NOT CANON.

The timeline and devs disagree. Just because you can do something in a game doesn't dismiss canon. For example you can give your Engineer biotic abilties, but Engineers are described to not have biotic implants in the codex.

No matter how you argue it.

Taking the information/facts we know and applying them isn't a valid argument, yup sounds like BSN.

Well, considering I can't find the 2 month bit

Interview with Casey from the French Xbox Magazine. http://social.biowar...423/blog/35955/ (Known Features Thread)

Yes. Taking the devs at their word based on a few magazine articles and a press conference also sound like BSN.  They can come back tomorrow and decide that Arrival actually takes place before Shep is resurrected.  Does that mean that, as a player, that my playthrough is completely wrong?  No.  They made it possibly to play Arrival directly after Horizon.  Many people have chosen to play it this way.  Therefore, nobody can base an argument on an exact timeline within the games, because everybody has a completely different playthrough.

It would be like everyone arguing that the Geth and the Quarians  are now allies because of something Legion said while he was on the Flotilla.  Not everyone brought Legion to the Flotilla.  Some people never recruited Legion, or completed Tali's loyalty mission.  The basis for what will happen for the next game cannot solely rely upon something that "might" happen.  We have to take into account the endless possibilities, such as playing Arrival before the SM.

[TMA LIVE]

strive wrote...

Wait a minute. Cerberus Daily News isn't even dated. All you know is that Kenson was alive after "a" new year. That could have been the new year during ME2.

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/CDN

In-universe, these news reports take place in 2185 and 2186 CE. Kenson is in the last batch, so to me that implies it is in January 2186, and not to mention it is released AFTER the new years CDN so it is clearly after 2185.

That's the wiki.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 08 août 2011 - 10:54 .

[Pulletlamer]

The Timeline page on the wiki makes it pretty clear that Arrival occurs in 2186.

EDIT: I know it's a wiki but we use it as if it was reliable information. Why not this time? Seems odd to me.

Modifié par Pulletlamer, 08 août 2011 - 10:56 .

[TMA LIVE]

Anyways, all I'm saying is that what matters me is my canon for the characters I make. As long as Bioware doesn't mess with it in-game in ME3, it's still the canon of how things went down. If they gave me the option to play it before the SM, and Bioware keeps track of that in ME3, then that's all that matters to me. if they mess with it, I'll be pissed.

[TMA LIVE]

Pulletlamer wrote...

The Timeline page on the wiki makes it pretty clear that Arrival occurs in 2186.

EDIT: I know it's a wiki but we use it as if it was reliable information. Why not this time? Seems odd to me.

Well, call me ignorant, since I'm don't know much about wiki's, or that one. But does Bioware update it? Or is it the fans doing it, and created the date system?

EDIT: They still say 2010 guys. They aren't specific dates.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 08 août 2011 - 11:04 .

[Sisterofshane]

Pulletlamer wrote...

The Timeline page on the wiki makes it pretty clear that Arrival occurs in 2186.

EDIT: I know it's a wiki but we use it as if it was reliable information. Why not this time? Seems odd to me.

Depite this, there is no official timeline on the exact time of the suicide mission.  The wiki lists in under 2185, but there is nothing within the games to suggest an ending date  We have only the evidence of one dev stating that the events of the suicide mission occured five to six months prior to the invasion of earth, and a completely different dev stating that arrival happened 2 months before the invasion of earth.  I'm not about to accept that as reliable evidence to base my arguments upon.

[goofyomnivore]

That's the wiki.

And? I thought you would like to know where the information came from?

Taking the devs at their word based on a few magazine articles and a press conference also sound like BSN.

It is their word though. They can/could change it, but as of now that is how it is. They didn't dodge a question or answer ambiguously. They flat out said what it is.

Does that mean that, as a player, that my playthrough is completely wrong? No. They made it possibly to play Arrival directly after Horizon.

It being possible to play whenever doesn't make it "not canon". I can have an Engineer with biotic and combat powers, but that doesn't make it lore or canon.

Does that mean that, as a player, that my playthrough is completely wrong?

I never said it was wrong. I just said it doesn't correspond with the canon timeline. What your Shepard does is your business and you can twist it however you want, but if you're going to debate something and cite that as proof it would be false.

Modifié par strive, 08 août 2011 - 11:32 .

[goofyomnivore]

They still say 2010 guys. They aren't specific dates.

Kenson's news is reported after the new year story, so her story is for sure 2186. And judging by the story lines throughout CDN they go linear in dates. I would even speculate the m/y correspond with Mass Effect while the years 2185-2186 respectively.

[Sisterofshane]

strive wrote...


I never said it was wrong. I just said it doesn't correspond with the canon timeline. What your Shepard does is your business and you can twist it however you want, but if you're going to debate something and cite that as proof it would be false.

Here is where we are getting off.  I am using this exact argument to refute the validity of another argument.  Someone above was arguing that the fact that arrival intended to be played after SM was going to indeed effect the outcome of a choice in ME3.  The devs may have chosen a "timeline" of events but there is no evidence to suggst that they are going to retcon the choice of playing arrival first, as it pertains to importing an ME2 save into ME3.  As i was trying to point out earlier, the apparent timeline of Arrival does not seem to have any consequences that relate directly into the story of the next game.  That is why I am refering it to being "non-canon".  What matters is that the events of arrival and ME2 are COMPLETED (in whatever order) before the invasion of earth.

[TMA LIVE]

strive wrote...

They still say 2010 guys. They aren't specific dates.

Kenson's news is reported after the new year story, so her story is for sure 2186. And judging by the story lines throughout CDN they go linear in dates. I would even speculate the m/y correspond with Mass Effect while the years 2185-2186 respectively.

Yeah, but I'm saying fans could have assumed they're 2185-2186. Or they could be the ones who put that down. etc.

Also, I watched the invasion trailer. The guys says June 6. But he doesn't give a year. And I didn't see the year. What if ME3 is in 2187?

Anyways, like I said, even if Bioware wants it done a certain way, that doesn't change that it can be altered in-game at the very least.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 08 août 2011 - 11:22 .

[TMA LIVE]

About the date, I'll tweet Casey or someone about it. If they give a specific date, I'll post it.

[goofyomnivore]

edit: oops hit enter

Modifié par strive, 08 août 2011 - 11:31 .

[Pulletlamer]

There was a discussion about it some time ago.

TMA LIVE wrote...

About the date, I'll tweet Casey or someone about it. If they give a specific date, I'll post it.

Thanks, looking forward to their answer (if they do answer).

To me anyway it feels like it's intended to be played after arrival, since you talk with Harbringer (you talk with the Collector General if you do it before) since he says at the end "we'll find another way" and that could be considered the plan to enter through the Alpha Relay.

And you're facing the trial on earth in ME3 due to the events of Arrival. It makes not so much sense for the trial to wait more than a year to take place. Hackett said he'll hold them but 1 year+? Doubt the batarians are going to wait so much time.. At least I see it that way.

Modifié par Pulletlamer, 08 août 2011 - 11:37 .