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[Phaedon]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Addendum - no blueprints per say, but if you can analyze reaper construction, then you should also be able to find any potential weakneses. That information might be very usefull.

Missing the point of my post. Should they even be able to find a weakness and cause all of the vessels to be as powerful as Reapers, they are still terribly outnumbered.

I also challenge your assertions that Cerberus is so anti-alien. Pro-human DOES NOT equal anti-alien.

Save the base, watch the scene that follows and then we'll talk. Even if you don't understand the definition of domination.

And the assumption that the tech form the base is only harmfull agaisnt the aliens, and not the reapers, is absured.
A bigger gun is usefull against anyone, reaper of not. A stronger shield is usefull agaisnt anyone, reaper or not.
Reapers might STILL be stronger, but so what? You want to make the gap between you as small as possible.

Needing 10 ships to take out a single reaper or 5 ships - thats a rather serious difference that does drasticly increase your chances of surival.

...what.

Did you not read a single word from my post? That's exactly my point. That statement makes no sense.

EVEN if you make all of the vessels as powerful as a Reaper, which I can assure you, you will not at any point have the chance, you are still outnumbered. You don't have the gap being closer, because your odds are still absolute zero. You can only hurt Shepard or aliens. Not Reapers.

What is absurd anyway, is to think that the Human Reaper was equipped with his main weapon, and even if he was, that it would be different than the one which Sovereign had. Which only produced the Thanix canon.

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Insert all the plot magic you want, have the HR carry a main weapon, or have Cerberus find a weakness, make it so that a few months are enough time for Cerberus to reverse enginer the weakness or the main weapon and create a superweapon that gives a vessel the firepower of a Reaper, and then have Cerberus distribute it to every cruiser in the galaxy... You still lose.

The Base is irrelevant as a weapon against the Reapers and this is why.

Modifié par Phaedon, 30 juillet 2011 - 06:27 .

[E-Type XR]

In my opinion, the problem for Renegade's is that Bioware has made Cerberus becoming your enemy canon. You don't want your enemy to have Reaper level tech. However, I still feel destroying the base is the right thing to do, for my own reasons.

[Phaedon]

Besides, the problem with the closing the gap way of thinking is that at no point will it be possible to close the gap, therefore closing part of the gap (which is arguable since chances are that the Reapers will still not have the slightest problem beating you) is useless.

Should Shepard be able to save the galaxy by other means, however, you have given a criminal organization with racial domination as a goal the power to not just fight back against the authorities, but to cause multiple genocides.

[alperez]

HomelessGal wrote...

Legion's idealism is nice, but organics don't really have the luxury with an impending Reaper invasion at any moment. Besides, ME2 would seem to directly undermine his point by tying the best outcome in the Suicide Mission to cobbling together Human, Turian, Reaper, Quarian, and Asari technology.

His idealism though is based more on logical thinking than our own would be, plus considering what the geth who did take the reapers offer were trying to do to those who didn't, it stands to reason that the geth legion represents would have as much reason to fear a reaper invasion as we would.

It is true that the success of the SM is based on cobbling together all the technologies you suggest however a lot of these technologies were not created with reaper tech but were the results of those races own discoveries, which is in fact the point legion was making imo.

Some of course do have their origins in reaper tech, but again its a bit of a double edged sword, For example the Thannix cannon created by the turians using reaper tech from sovereign, however we have no evidence that while creating the cannon the turians didn't take every safeguard, took little or no risks and had practically no adverse reactions to the study of that tech.

Something we can't always say the same about  when examining Cerberus's record in doing the very same things.

[Phaedon]

HomelessGal wrote...
Its not about whether or not those technologies are derived from that of the Reapers, Legion himself remarks "Technology is not a straight line. There are many paths to the same end. Accepting another's path blinds you to alternatives." What does it matter if the other path is that of the Reapers or the Asari?

As long as Reaper tech doesn't lead to indoctrination, harvesting or genocide, there isn't much difference.

But Reaper tech can't be trusted at all. You saw what happenned with the derelict Reaper. 

Otherwise, no, there isn't much moral difference as to which you use, considering that mass relays and the Citadel are used all the time.

[alperez]

HomelessGal wrote...

Its not about whether or not those technologies are derived from that of the Reapers, Legion himself remarks "Technology is not a straight line. There are many paths to the same end. Accepting another's path blinds you to alternatives." What does it matter if the other path is that of the Reapers or the Asari?

Its a much different thing though, considering we're supposedly representing all the galaxy's races in trying to defeat the reapers it makes sense that the technology we use would come from some of those races.

Its not just humanity fighting the reapers its all the other races also.

[Darksaberexile]

My reasoning behind destroying the base:
First, is that I simply do not trust the technology to Cerberus. I've seen what they did with thorian creepers, husks, and the like, and don't see the collector base ending any better. Additionally, even when going through the Omega 4 relay, TIM does not ask that you try to preserve the base if possible. Instead, he waits until you are at the point of destroying it to say "Oh hey, you could just wipe out the Collectors and keep the base." However, I see no reason for this delay, other than to intentionally deny Shepard the time needed to fully consider both options while in transit.

Second, any information (blueprints, weapons, etc), would likely have been stored in the computer systems. There's no reason to think that EDI couldn't datamine the Collector base during the time you're working your way towards the Reaper larva. The information that would help fight the Reapers would come from this, not a destroyed larva that is far from completion. Compare the human Reaper larva to Sovereign, there's no compelling reason to believe that the larva's weaknesses would be the same as Sovereign's (note: we did NOT kill Sovereign with small arms fire and infantry based heavy weapons, and it would be ridiculous to try.)

Third, I think that the Collector Base would be a good resource, to fight Collectors. However, we are given no reason to believe the Collectors persist beyond me2. The Collector base is purely Collector tech, designed to help build Reapers. However, it doesn't seem to be actual Reaper tech. Therefore, any technology we reverse-engineered, in addition to likely not arriving in time to be used against the Reapers, may not work against them. The Collector base likely contains technology we can use to understand how the advanced husks (scions and praetorians) are made, but we've already had chances to study dragon's teeth/husk tech.

Finally, it seems to me that Harbinger decided to allow the base to fall to Shepard and his allies. This is evident for a few reasons: lack of significant Collector opposition to Shepard, lack of advanced husk opposition (had Harbinger decided to destroy Shepard, there was no reason not to send, for example, 3 praetorians to attack Shepard at the same time during a vulnerable point, such as during the biotic walk. At the least, Shepard would be VERY hard pressed to fight 3 praetorians simultaneously.) If Harbinger didn't want Shepard to destroy/capture the base, I think more would have been done to stop Shepard's assault on the base.

tl:dr
1, don't trust cerberus; 2, it is unlikely to have any information EDI couldn't have stolen already. 3, any tech gained likely wouldn't be as effective as hoped against the Reapers. 4, Harbinger didn't act to truly stop the capture or destruction of the base.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Phaedon wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Addendum - no blueprints per say, but if you can analyze reaper construction, then you should also be able to find any potential weakneses. That information might be very usefull.

Missing the point of my post. Should they even be able to find a weakness and cause all of the vessels to be as powerful as Reapers, they are still terribly outnumbered.

Actually, we dont' have any solid numbers of the reapers...I'd guess in the hunderds, possibly even thousands.

And yeah, I'm kinda missing your point I guess. Becaue I don't understand what your'e trying to say here.
"If the bese can't makes us more powerfull than the reapers, it's useless?"

No advantage or enhacement you can get is uselss.

I also challenge your assertions that Cerberus is so anti-alien. Pro-human DOES NOT equal anti-alien.

Save the base, watch the scene that follows and then we'll talk. Even if you don't understand the definition of domination.

I did.
You base your entire condemnation of TIM and Cerberus on what? TIM smiling?

Heck, that's whay too weak for you Phadeon. Based on your previous posts in other discussions, I expected better reasoning from you.

And the assumption that the tech form the base is only harmfull agaisnt the aliens, and not the reapers, is absured.
A bigger gun is usefull against anyone, reaper of not. A stronger shield is usefull agaisnt anyone, reaper or not.
Reapers might STILL be stronger, but so what? You want to make the gap between you as small as possible.

Needing 10 ships to take out a single reaper or 5 ships - thats a rather serious difference that does drasticly increase your chances of surival.

...what.

Did you not read a single word from my post? That's exactly my point. That statement makes no sense.

EVEN if you make all of the vessels as powerful as a Reaper, which I can assure you, you will not at any point have the chance, you are still outnumbered. You don't have the gap being closer, because your odds are still absolute zero. You can only hurt Shepard or aliens. Not Reapers.

What is absurd anyway, is to think that the Human Reaper was equipped with his main weapon, and even if he was, that it would be different than the one which Sovereign had. Which only produced the Thanix canon.

How is having more pwoerfull weapons NOT redicing the gap?
How does having more powerful lweapons equal NOT being able to hurt the reapers???

The reapers aren't unkillable. Tough, yes. But you CAN kill them with weapons less advanced than theirs.
It has bene done before.

I'm sorry, but this argument is utterly absurd.
Please stop while I still respect you....

Insert all the plot magic you want, have the HR carry a main weapon, or have Cerberus find a weakness, make it so that a few months are enough time for Cerberus to reverse enginer the weakness or the main weapon and create a superweapon that gives a vessel the firepower of a Reaper, and then have Cerberus distribute it to every cruiser in the galaxy... You still lose.

The Base is irrelevant as a weapon against the Reapers and this is why.

Because you say so?

Seriously, what do you propose then? What is your solution? Die? Don't even try to close the gap? Sit down and pray?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

You take the base. It's obviously where they manufacture Reapers. EDI has the base schematics, and has spent 90% of its resources analyzing Reaper programming aboard the Normandy. Conclusion, EDI has come up with a schematic of a Reaper (handed to you in the end cut scene of ME2) -- that isn't some cute drawing Joker did.

So you decide to keep the base intact for TIM and Cerberus. Regardless of whether there is any indoctrination going on within the base, and given the fact that a Reaper can take over the CB's mainframe at will, what do you think your chances are of actually being able to hold onto the base once the Reaper invasion starts? Don't you think that the Reapers are going to want it back to make more Reapers? The base is going to take years if not decades to study. There simply isn't enough time.

Or do you blow up the Omega 4 Relay like you did in the Batarian system? But then what good keeping the base in that case? Couldn't the Reapers re-map one of the other mass relays to get there?

The choice is a logical one.

* The time between the SM and Reaper invasion is short and insufficient to do much good with the base.
* Being able to hold the base against a Reaper assault is simply not in the cards.
* They say it requires a special IFF to get through the relay safely. Apparently many have tried before. Over the course of 50 million yrs what are the odds that we hit the lotto and are the first ones to have done this?
* Look at where the debris field is located. Right on top of the relay. Drift of a few thousand km would get sucked into the black hole. This leads me to conclude that others have tried to hold the base as well and failed.
* The only realistic option for the base is to install thrusters on it that aren't connected to the mainframe (could be overridden by the Reapers so you can't use the station's thrusters) and propel it toward the mass relay to blow up that one, and deny the Reapers a protected region so they can't build a second station. More than a minor inconvenience.
* However, TIM wants the base for other reasons, but as above there is no logical way to hold it.
* The CB is a major resource for the Reapers. It is where they take those they harvest to make more Reapers. Since it can't be held long enough to really learn anything more than we already have, the tactic of denying resources to the enemy seems to be the most prudent.

Blow up the base.

[AlanC9]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Because you say so?

Seriously, what do you propose then? What is your solution? Die? Don't even try to close the gap? Sit down and pray?

"Wait for the deus ex machina" is my bet.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Darksaberexile wrote...

My reasoning behind destroying the base:
First, is that I simply do not trust the technology to Cerberus. I've seen what they did with thorian creepers, husks, and the like, and don't see the collector base ending any better. Additionally, even when going through the Omega 4 relay, TIM does not ask that you try to preserve the base if possible. Instead, he waits until you are at the point of destroying it to say "Oh hey, you could just wipe out the Collectors and keep the base." However, I see no reason for this delay, other than to intentionally deny Shepard the time needed to fully consider both options while in transit.

Erm..you know, no one knew exactly what was behind that Relay.
It kinda makes sense for TIM to wait and see what's there, what's hte base for and so forth, before doign anything...

Second, any information (blueprints, weapons, etc), would likely have been stored in the computer systems. There's no reason to think that EDI couldn't datamine the Collector base during the time you're working your way towards the Reaper larva. The information that would help fight the Reapers would come from this, not a destroyed larva that is far from completion. Compare the human Reaper larva to Sovereign, there's no compelling reason to believe that the larva's weaknesses would be the same as Sovereign's (note: we did NOT kill Sovereign with small arms fire and infantry based heavy weapons, and it would be ridiculous to try.)

It's redicolous to think that all usefull data is stored in the computer system OR to think EDI got everything.
Having actual machinerey, circutry an electronics to study in detail will yield more knowledge than just bluprint..even moreso becuase I've yet to see blueprints that detail everything in such a complex thing like a ship.

Do you think the blueprint would show exactly how to manufacture every part? Blueprints don't do that.

Also, the Derelict Reaper WAS killed with hand-held weapons...

Third, I think that the Collector Base would be a good resource, to fight Collectors. However, we are given no reason to believe the Collectors persist beyond me2. The Collector base is purely Collector tech, designed to help build Reapers. However, it doesn't seem to be actual Reaper tech. Therefore, any technology we reverse-engineered, in addition to likely not arriving in time to be used against the Reapers, may not work against them. The Collector base likely contains technology we can use to understand how the advanced husks (scions and praetorians) are made, but we've already had chances to study dragon's teeth/husk tech.

What a logical black hole here. Read the marked parts please. The base that's used to BUILD a reaper, doens't have repaer tech in it??? Whaaaat? From what is the reaper built then? Air?
The parts for the reaper are manufactured and assembled on the spot...so of course there is reaper tech!

Finally, it seems to me that Harbinger decided to allow the base to fall to Shepard and his allies. This is evident for a few reasons: lack of significant Collector opposition to Shepard, lack of advanced husk opposition (had Harbinger decided to destroy Shepard, there was no reason not to send, for example, 3 praetorians to attack Shepard at the same time during a vulnerable point, such as during the biotic walk. At the least, Shepard would be VERY hard pressed to fight 3 praetorians simultaneously.) If Harbinger didn't want Shepard to destroy/capture the base, I think more would have been done to stop Shepard's assault on the base.

ROFL..

It's a game. Teh opposition is upposed ot beeasy enough for the average player to win... This is your argument? Really?
..NEEEEXT.

[Someone With Mass]

AlanC9 wrote...

"Wait for the deus ex machina" is my bet.

And the hundreds of other conveniences that exists in Mass Effect.

[Lotion Soronarr]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
The choice is a logical one.

* The time between the SM and Reaper invasion is short and insufficient to do much good with the base.

You cannot really tell that. Shep doesn't even know when the reapers will aexactly arrive. Several months to a year might be enough.

* Being able to hold the base against a Reaper assault is simply not in the cards.

You don't have to. Place the charge. Remote detonate if reapers arrive. Or park a single ship in orbit and let it blow the base.
But the main point is that the base is a non-issue once the reapers arrive. You're going to have 1000 reapers to deal with. A static base that can't attack you realy isn't relevant in the grand schemene of things then.

* They say it requires a special IFF to get through the relay safely. Apparently many have tried before. Over the course of 50 million yrs what are the odds that we hit the lotto and are the first ones to have done this?

About as good as the odds we're going to survive at all. But that really doesn't matter.


* Look at where the debris field is located. Right on top of the relay. Drift of a few thousand km would get sucked into the black hole. This leads me to conclude that others have tried to hold the base as well and failed.

Or tried to jump in and were killed by the relay, on the accoutn fo not having the IFF.

* The only realistic option for the base is to install thrusters on it that aren't connected to the mainframe (could be overridden by the Reapers so you can't use the station's thrusters) and propel it toward the mass relay to blow up that one, and deny the Reapers a protected region so they can't build a second station. More than a minor inconvenience.

Why would the reapers even bother with a second station?

* However, TIM wants the base for other reasons, but as above there is no logical way to hold it.

As above, you are wrong.

* The CB is a major resource for the Reapers. It is where they take those they harvest to make more Reapers. Since it can't be held long enough to really learn anything more than we already have, the tactic of denying resources to the enemy seems to be the most prudent.

As above. Wrong. And with the power of hte reapers, their indoctrination technique, I doubt it's their  major resource.
It's a Prothen station. Adn they killed Protheans 50000 years ago. Meaning they didn't use that station to make smooties out of races before the protheans. So they must have made other reapers in other places. The station seems a "recent" additon.

 

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 30 juillet 2011 - 07:52 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Phaedon wrote...

Besides, the problem with the closing the gap way of thinking is that at no point will it be possible to close the gap, therefore closing part of the gap (which is arguable since chances are that the Reapers will still not have the slightest problem beating you) is useless.

Should Shepard be able to save the galaxy by other means, however, you have given a criminal organization with racial domination as a goal the power to not just fight back against the authorities, but to cause multiple genocides.

Again with the "Cerberus wants to kill off all the aliens" rubbish.

Dammit Phadeon! Why do you insist on doing this? Youre making my respect for you come crashing down on fire....

Cerners wants human domination.
Which is what every politician or country/national/race leader wants and strives for.

Just as US looks out for it's interests and tries to stay on tob, jsut as China look out for it's interests and tries to take the top..just as every country does.

You have some strange image in your head of Cerberus going around enslaving and murdering aliens....<_<

And aren't you the one who said we can't win against the reapers? There won't be a "after" then.
If there is an after, then the base obviously did some good. And where do you get the notion if will give them the power to challange the other races of the galaxy?

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Erm..you know, no one knew exactly what was behind that Relay.
It kinda makes sense for TIM to wait and see what's there, what's hte base for and so forth, before doign anything...

It was known well before the trip through the relay that the target was a base, because a planet can't exist in the galactic core. 

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Erm..you know, no one knew exactly what was behind that Relay.
It kinda makes sense for TIM to wait and see what's there, what's hte base for and so forth, before doign anything...

It was known well before the trip through the relay that the target was a base, because a planet can't exist in the galactic core. 

Yes, but they didn't know anything about the base... is it just one? Are there more? How big is it? How well defended? Is there anything worth salvaging on that base? etc...

They were pretty much jumping in blind, with no details other than the assumption that there SHOULD be a base there.

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Also, the Derelict Reaper WAS killed with hand-held weapons...

No, it was already dead, and the only thing you did was to destroy its element zero core. FROM THE INSIDE. Which anyone can do.

[CaptREDKangaroo]

Well given all the debate of esp the Collector's base, BioWare made a good ending if it was cut and dry there wouldn't be so many passionate views either way.

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
What a logical black hole here. Read the marked parts please. The base that's used to BUILD a reaper, doens't have repaer tech in it??? Whaaaat? From what is the reaper built then? Air?
The parts for the reaper are manufactured and assembled on the spot...so of course there is reaper tech!

Guess what they needed the humans for...

If the base already had Reaper tech used to build a Reaper, then shouldn't have been installed in the Reaper fetus instead of collecting dust?

[alperez]

HomelessGal wrote...

How is it different, though? Sharing tech due to a common cause still influences the technological paths of races, just as reverse-engineering Reaper/Collector tech does. One may seem "more acceptable", but they have the same effect under an ideology that the game encourages you to disregard anyway.

On a related note, I do think it is interesting that the Ascension novel mentions that the galaxy as a whole tends to assimilate the technology that the Collectors provide as payment in their deals. They've been influencing technological development for hundreds of years already.

It's different partly because legion refers to the geth as a singular entity something you aren't (even if you are).

Consider it like this, the geth are practically self reliant and complete cut off from the rest of the galaxy, they've done this so they can continue on the path they've decided upon with little or no interference and allow themselve find the answers they seek.

Shepard while being human and representing humanity is part of the larger galaxy and is also a representative of that galaxy.

So the technological path shepard has to follow must also include the technological paths of the rest of the races that Shepard supposedly represents.

Think of the galaxy as a larger version of earth and the other races as different countries on earth, if your representing earth then it would make sense that the techolgical path your on, would include differing tech from each of those countries.

So if you follow on with legions logic, then you have to follow on with it not as a seperate entity but as someone who is representing the collective races of the galaxy.

If you were just human and only representing humanity then your point is completely valid, but your not, your the representative of all the races so your view must take that into consideration.

While your point about ascension makes perfect sense, it could be argued that its outside of the discussion considering it may not be something you know when you make the choice.

Although i completely agree with it, they have indeed being influencing technolgical development for years.

[TobyHasEyes]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

TobyHasEyes wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

I just don't think Cerberus is competent enough to handle the base, based of what I've seen.

 Hence, in response to Lotion Soronnar's point..

 The argument that the Reaper's wanted us to use their technology is (as you correctly say) flawed, as Sovereign's remains gave us the best weapon we have seen against Reaper technology (the Thanix Cannon)

 However I also think that Someone With Mass here makes a valid point, that as

a) study of Reaper technology has always been shown to have an associated risk, and
that risk is massively increased when the research isn't conducted with proper consideration (and all that entails)

 ..coupled with
c) Cerberus, as an organisation, have shown themselves to not take the proper consideration, and as such have a track record of bringing the associated risks to the fore (most notably in Overlord which, short of Shepard intervention, would have resulted in a technological apocalypse) (ps though Overlord was not Reaper technology, I would suggest that as new and untested technology it can still be considered as symptomatic of Cerberus' research methods)

 it leaves Shepard with a logically reached conclusion that entrusting new Reaper technology to Cerberus is more of a risk than it is worth

 You can conclude that any possible chance of getting anything outweighs the associated risks, and I think that is a fair conclusion, but it is not the only one you can reach using reasoned argument

Two points:

1) You forget that the risk is indoctrination. And that there is no known defense agaisnt it yet. There is no proper safe procedure ot deal wiht it.

So what do you do? If you truly belive that tech is vital to save humanity, you sacrifice scientist. They will become indoctrinated, but before they do they will dig out at last some data, and you may find out something about indoctrination in the process.
It's hardly the path one would want to take, just as one doesn't want to send soldier into ceratin death - yet sometimes one has to. The Cerberus scientist at the derelict reaper getting indoctrinated isn't a faliure on Cerberus part - it's a calculated risk.


2) We don't have the luxury of time. The reapers will be here soon, so we need to get usefull infro out of that bas FAST.
Say what you will about TIM, but he gets results. They way he drives research isnt' safe, but it's fast.

While certnaly with Cerberus doing the research the risk is greater, getting the benefits of the research might also be the difference between life and death.


Finally, one must  also consider the threat level of Cerberus, assuming it fails.
Since it's a small, cell-organized  organization with no navy of it's own, and a small (if very well equipped) army, even with reaper tech it represents a threat that would be easily contained the rest of the galaxy.

Even Admirtal Heckett in arrival (which takes place after the SM), confirms the galaxy simply isn't ready for the reapers. In light of that, destroying the base because of such a (comparatively) minor risk simply sounds like a bad decision.

 - The point I was making was that, when researching new technology, Cerberus have a bad record on taking precautions against dangerous consequences or risks. This was the case in Thorian experiments in ME1, Rachni experiments in ME1 and Overlord in ME2. The damage that resulted from those mistakes varies, from loss of scientists to Overlord's 'technological apocalypse'
 
 - You are right to say that the primary risk is indoctrination, which in itself is a relatively minor consequence; as you rightly point out, the loss of a few scientists isn't a huge loss considering the Reaper situation. In Arrival, we saw that the negative consequences of leaving scientists to become indocrinated can have damaging consequences (so let's not pretend that isn't the case), but again yes considering the Reaper situation its not world ending

  The point is this (and this ties into your point regarding the amount of time we have);

  When the likelihood of Cerberus' research, judging past instances, going wrong approaches almost certainty, then it is worth considering that it might be worth not giving yourself an almost guaranteed headache in a few months time, and instead focusing on other solutions

 Its an interesting comparison, that I am sure many who argue that we should keep the Cerberus base because we have to explore every possible avenue, would not in turn support (for example) saving the Rachni Queen..

 Both could help.. and both could just result in an unneccesary 'new danger' whilst everyone else is trying to find ways to stop the Reapers

[Pulletlamer]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

You don't have to. Place the charge. Remote detonate if reapers arrive. Or park a single ship in orbit and let it blow the base.
But the main point is that the base is a non-issue once the reapers arrive. You're going to have 1000 reapers to deal with. A static base that can't attack you realy isn't relevant in the grand schemene of things then.

You realize how stupid sounds that. In the first place because you don't have the base, the base if for Cerberus and TIM, not you. You're giving the base to Cerberus. You don't have control over it.

You could never plant a bomb there, "to be safe" and remotely explode it, nor go with a ship to see how it is doing, etc etc. Those "options" you mention are impossible to do since the base is controlled by Cerberus and you don't have any power on it nor can do anything since regardless of what you do Shepard breaks relations with Cerberus after ME2.

And it's a non-issue when the Reapers arrive? You're giving a base full of  advanced tech (aka Reaper tech) to TIM.

It could very well be an issue since it could be one of the many sources of indoctrination. So don't tell me indoctrinated people (probably Cerberus) or husks (ME:Invasion) coming through the Omega 4 relay is a non-issue. If anything it's a minor issue due to the Reaper Invasion. The Reapers have priority but it's still a problem. Just tell that to Aria in Omega, she knows what it's about.

Modifié par Pulletlamer, 30 juillet 2011 - 08:27 .