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#1976
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On a serious note do you mean curing it in ME3? I honestly can't think of any use for curing it would be,Krogan are only good on the ground,maybe shock troopers? With Wrex at the helm of the Krogans,I would hope they wouldn't abuse the second chance,but who knows.

IMO even more risky then giving Cerbs the base.

Erhm, no:


"Finally the Council turned to the turians newcomers on the Citadel who had a massive fleet and a militaristic culture. Establishing hidden command centres, like Pinnacle Station, turians were able to defeat many krogan bands. But the krogan responded with characteristically horrific attacks on turian worlds, using asteroids as weapons and rendering three planets totally uninhabitable."

I'd say that would make them pretty goddamn useful in the air as well. Whether that's a pro or a con for curing the genophage is up to you, though.

Well,we were talking about hitting reapers with asteroids,so bring on the cure.


Also first on 80.

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I'd say that would make them pretty goddamn useful in the air as well. Whether that's a pro or a con for curing the genophage is up to you, though.


I wonder what happened to their fleets, though. The krogans won't do much good if the Reapers can just curb stomp them or bomb them from orbit.

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Then let's get to 80.

I think curing the Genophage at this point, regardless of whether or not it was the right decision to use it in the first place, is the wrong thing to do.


Because it's the only thing holding the Krogan back?

#1979
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Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

On a serious note do you mean curing it in ME3? I honestly can't think of any use for curing it would be,Krogan are only good on the ground,maybe shock troopers? With Wrex at the helm of the Krogans,I would hope they wouldn't abuse the second chance,but who knows.

IMO even more risky then giving Cerbs the base.

Erhm, no:


"Finally the Council turned to the turians newcomers on the Citadel who had a massive fleet and a militaristic culture. Establishing hidden command centres, like Pinnacle Station, turians were able to defeat many krogan bands. But the krogan responded with characteristically horrific attacks on turian worlds, using asteroids as weapons and rendering three planets totally uninhabitable."

I'd say that would make them pretty goddamn useful in the air as well. Whether that's a pro or a con for curing the genophage is up to you, though.


Krogans had a space fleet back then which they clearly don't have now. So yeah, they're stuck on the ground as shock troops.

#1980
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Krogans had a space fleet back then which they clearly don't have now. So yeah, they're stuck on the ground as shock troops.

We could "gift" them the remains of the Flotilla. Posted Image

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Then let's get to 80.

I think curing the Genophage at this point, regardless of whether or not it was the right decision to use it in the first place, is the wrong thing to do.

You dare doubt Mordin?(who actually doubts it himself)
*slaps you with glove* this means war.


On a serious note do you mean curing it in ME3? I honestly can't think of any use for curing it would be,Krogan are only good on the ground,maybe shock troopers? With Wrex at the helm of the Krogans,I would hope they wouldn't abuse the second chance,but who knows.

IMO even more risky then giving Cerbs the base.


Shocktroops wise, TIM (or whoever writes the mission reports) thinks that's what they'll be used for, and thinks we need them. I guess for the Husks we will be fighting. That, or somehow they'll be taking out Reapers that fight on the ground with tanks.

And in the ME3 demo, Mordin thinks curing them will give the Reapers a challenge.

When it comes to the cure, I looked at it this way. If you don't cure them, you risk the possibily of the Krogan going extinct from losing too many numbers during the war. And not being able to keep their numbers growing like every other race.

However, give it to them, great shocktroopers. But will they try to rebel again if they keep growing the numbers, after the Reaper are gone?

The only hope of that not happening is Wrex. And he's killable.

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You know what else would've been great shock troopers to use against the Reapers?

#1983
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Kaiser Shepard wrote...

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Krogans had a space fleet back then which they clearly don't have now. So yeah, they're stuck on the ground as shock troops.

We could "gift" them the remains of the Flotilla. Posted Image


They still wouldn't provide anything unique that the other main species couldn't do.

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You know what else would've been great shock troopers to use against the Reapers?


Yeah, too bad they're whatever is convenient for the writers at the time.

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Because it's the only thing holding the Krogan back?

Krogans free of the Genophage would be a grave threat to human dominance against the Reapers and beyond, of course. ;)

Wrex is probably the best hope for the Krogan, and it remains to be seen if they'll actually learn anything from what he's doing.

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Yep. DumbRus strikes again.

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HomelessGal wrote...

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Because it's the only thing holding the Krogan back?

Krogans free of the Genophage would be a grave threat to human dominance against the Reapers and beyond, of course. ;)

Wrex is probably the best hope for the Krogan, and it remains to be seen if they'll actually learn anything from what he's doing.


True and the last thing the galaxy needs is more Weyrloc Gulds and Garms out there.

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They still wouldn't provide anything unique that the other main species couldn't do.

It's more a case of wouldn't do. Balak and Shepard were mere exceptions, whereas this could very well be the krogan norm.

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Kaiser Shepard wrote...

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They still wouldn't provide anything unique that the other main species couldn't do.

It's more a case of wouldn't do. Balak and Shepard were mere exceptions, whereas this could very well be the krogan norm.


You'll be quite surprised to see how many would favor asteroid lobbing when dealing with machines that have been exterminating for 37+ million years. :wizard:

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Krogans had a space fleet back then which they clearly don't have now. So yeah, they're stuck on the ground as shock troops.

We could "gift" them the remains of the Flotilla. Posted Image


Don't like quarians?

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Krogans had a space fleet back then which they clearly don't have now. So yeah, they're stuck on the ground as shock troops.

We could "gift" them the remains of the Flotilla. Posted Image


Don't like quarians?

I can neither confirm nor deny that statement.

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Back to the topic of Krogans as shock troops, even with the genophage cure they likely wouldn't be able to breed and train fast enough to make a difference time.

That's where my homeboys the Vorcha come into play. They have the numbers,regeneration and even greater adaptability than the Krogans to tear the Reapers' ground troops a new one.

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Seboist wrote...

Back to the topic of Krogans as shock troops, even with the genophage cure they likely wouldn't be able to breed and train fast enough to make a difference time.

That's where my homeboys the Vorcha come into play. They have the numbers,regeneration and even greater adaptability than the Krogans to tear the Reapers' ground troops a new one.

can vorcha be indoctrinated? maybe they are like Fry and are missing a certain brainwave to be indoctrinated.

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Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Back to the topic of Krogans as shock troops, even with the genophage cure they likely wouldn't be able to breed and train fast enough to make a difference time.

That's where my homeboys the Vorcha come into play. They have the numbers,regeneration and even greater adaptability than the Krogans to tear the Reapers' ground troops a new one.

can vorcha be indoctrinated? maybe they are like Fry and are missing a certain brainwave to be indoctrinated.


They probably can be but it would be a nice twist if it was found that they could adapt against it. It would give them a purpose in ME beyond being a whipping boy as Blood Pack enemies.

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Seboist wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Back to the topic of Krogans as shock troops, even with the genophage cure they likely wouldn't be able to breed and train fast enough to make a difference time.

That's where my homeboys the Vorcha come into play. They have the numbers,regeneration and even greater adaptability than the Krogans to tear the Reapers' ground troops a new one.

can vorcha be indoctrinated? maybe they are like Fry and are missing a certain brainwave to be indoctrinated.


They probably can be but it would be a nice twist if it was found that they could adapt against it. It would give them a purpose in ME beyond being a whipping boy as Blood Pack enemies.

How would we convince them to work with us...

Perhaps the magic of complete sentences.

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Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Back to the topic of Krogans as shock troops, even with the genophage cure they likely wouldn't be able to breed and train fast enough to make a difference time.

That's where my homeboys the Vorcha come into play. They have the numbers,regeneration and even greater adaptability than the Krogans to tear the Reapers' ground troops a new one.

can vorcha be indoctrinated? maybe they are like Fry and are missing a certain brainwave to be indoctrinated.


They probably can be but it would be a nice twist if it was found that they could adapt against it. It would give them a purpose in ME beyond being a whipping boy as Blood Pack enemies.

How would we convince them to work with us...

Perhaps the magic of complete sentences.


A mere increase in their standard of living is all that would be neccesary. That's what the Vorcha in Mordin's recruitment mission were fighting for.

The Vorcha would greatly benefit as a human client race. They can be useful for hired muscle and manual labor for rebuilding human worlds after the Reaper war ends. That'll be much better than their current  status of either living in slums in Omega, being bred as slaves or used as cannon fodder for the Blood Pack Krogans.

The Vorcha is man's true best friend, mark my words.

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The strangest thing about what you just wrote, Seboist, is that I think you might be on to something there...

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Well, I don't know. Having a vorcha AND a dog for sidekicks would be pretty kickass.

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Hmm,actually you're probably right sebo,we can just say we will let you live in real houses AND we wont beat the crap out of you.

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The strangest thing about what you just wrote, Seboist, is that I think you might be on to something there...


Damn staight,there's already a precedence for the Vorcha rebuilding a devestated colony.

http://masseffect.wi...ws_-_March_2010

03/22/2010 - Reconstruction Begins on Comet-Devastated Belan

“It has been one Belanese month [six Earth weeks], since the comet
Kingu caused devastating tides that killed over a million Belanese. Now,
with the water drained wherever it can be drained, the rebuilding
starts. This planet has never seen so many humans, salarians, and
vorcha. Migrant workers are a common sight; so are the charity
volunteers and religious groups. The turian government and its
scientists are daily targets of hatred and blame for not doing more to
stop Kingu. Citadel Emergency Services estimates the refugee count is
over four million displaced, either moving inland or to flotation cities
and other planets, or waiting in temporary housing for new habitats to
be built. Normalcy may eventually come, but it still feels distant.”