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[alperez]

I await of course the inevitable claim that i'm insulting him, rather than just throwing his own joke back at him.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Hmmm... and since when did EDI become "she" and "her". It's a computer programmed with a female voice.

Dyson sphere? How many worlds would have to be squashed and assembled together to build one? And from how many systems? not to mention how long it would take to do it.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Hmmm... and since when did EDI become "she" and "her". It's a computer programmed with a female voice.

Dyson sphere? How many worlds would have to be squashed and assembled together to build one? And from how many systems? not to mention how long it would take to do it.

:(EDI means more to us than just a thing.

[Saaziel]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Dyson sphere? How many worlds would have to be squashed and assembled together to build one? And from how many systems? not to mention how long it would take to do it.

You could construct it from asteroids , moons or minerals found on inhabitable worlds . At first glance the Geth cannot age , so time isn't a concern. (I'm assuming you're taking about the Geth plan here).

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Saaziel wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Dyson sphere? How many worlds would have to be squashed and assembled together to build one? And from how many systems? not to mention how long it would take to do it.

You could construct it from asteroids , moons or minerals found on inhabitable worlds . At first glance the Geth cannot age , so time isn't a concern. (I'm assuming you're taking about the Geth plan here).

No,we were talking about what the collector base could have been before we went through the O4 relay,you gotta read back a few pages and wade through the muck.

[Someone With Mass]

Building something that's roughly a hundred times larger than our planet and big enough to encompass a sun and put it in a pretty restricted space is just a waste of time when you can build something that's just a couple of dozen kilometers long instead and complete it in just a few years.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 10 août 2011 - 12:38 .

[Saaziel]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...
No,we were talking about what the collector base could have been before we went through the O4 relay,you gotta read back a few pages and wade through the muck.

Thanks ... I'm not going back there though.

Isn't the Collector base at the Galactic core though ? It's a super massive black hole at its centre , with a bunch of stars zipping by. It wouldn't make sense to build a Dyson sphere there. Probably the vestige of a Prothean base (Extensively modified over the years).

From the brief look at the inside , it wasn't made to last anyhow; That baby Reaper would have to destroy its way out.

Modifié par Saaziel, 10 août 2011 - 12:33 .

[SandTrout]

Dyson Spheres are impractical for a static population like the Collectors, in any case, especially one capable of interstellar travel.

The justification of creating a Dyson Sphere is that it increases the livable surface area and energy usage of the local star system because seeking out a habitable world in another star-system is impractical due to the time-frames and resources involved. A population cannot effectively expand to other star-systems or expect any return in terms of resources using sub-light travel. A Dyson Sphere, however, is a progressive construct that can become inhabited and expanded to even as construction continues.

Once FTL travel of some sort is developed and travel to other star-systems becomes routine, the Dyson Sphere becomes less efficient than colonization of habitable garden-worlds. Even if terraforming is required, it would likely require less time and resources than completing a similar area of a 100% artificial construct such as a Sphere or Ring.

That said, the Collectors are not an expansive race. Their population is a carefully controlled static number, with losses replaced through cloning as necessary. It would make sense that they would only build a facility large enough to support that static population and whatever other activities the Reapers would require of them, such as monitoring the galactic population's genetic status.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Saaziel wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...
No,we were talking about what the collector base could have been before we went through the O4 relay,you gotta read back a few pages and wade through the muck.

Thanks ... I'm not going back there though.

Isn't the Collector base at the Galactic core though ? It's a super massive black hole at its centre , with a bunch of stars zipping by. It wouldn't make sense to build a Dyson sphere there. Probably the vestige of a Prothean base (Extensively modified over the years).

From the brief look at the inside , it wasn't made to last anyhow; That baby Reaper would have to destroy its way out.

That was the subject of the discussion back there,we were saying a dyson sphere would just get pulled into the core.

[Phaelducan]

A Dyson Sphere could also be useful as an energy source for a species that had to hibernate for long periods of time in dark space. Not that they would prioritize making one, but it would be useful.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Phaelducan wrote...

A Dyson Sphere could also be useful as an energy source for a species that had to hibernate for long periods of time in dark space. Not that they would prioritize making one, but it would be useful.

No doubt the reapers have had enough time to make a very very large Dyson Sphere.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

And we're only 15 pages from 100. There's the next goal....

[SandTrout]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Phaelducan wrote...

A Dyson Sphere could also be useful as an energy source for a species that had to hibernate for long periods of time in dark space. Not that they would prioritize making one, but it would be useful.

No doubt the reapers have had enough time to make a very very large Dyson Sphere.

Why, though? Their needs are relatively static, and smaller power sources would be more efficient for their needs.

[Kaiser Shepard]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

And we're only 15 pages from 100. There's the next goal....

I'm just amazed at how we're still going strong, as well as how we still haven't really moved on from the Collector Base topic.

Perhaps Den can indeed become to the normal board what the character support topics are to the other section...

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

SandTrout wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Phaelducan wrote...

A Dyson Sphere could also be useful as an energy source for a species that had to hibernate for long periods of time in dark space. Not that they would prioritize making one, but it would be useful.

No doubt the reapers have had enough time to make a very very large Dyson Sphere.

Why, though? Their needs are relatively static, and smaller power sources would be more efficient for their needs.

:blink:Didn't say they did I said they could have.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

And we're only 15 pages from 100. There's the next goal....

I'm just amazed at how we're still going strong, as well as how we still haven't really moved on from the Collector Base topic.

Perhaps Den can indeed become to the normal board what the character support topics are to the other section...

:police:Keep all the crazies on one board.

[SandTrout]

@Humanoid_Typhoon,

I wasn't attacking you, just pointing out the fact that even though the Reapers likely could build a Dyson Sphere of some sort if they wanted, that they probably would not. I've seen too many people make the leap from "XXXX could have..." to "XXXX must have..."

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

SandTrout wrote...

@Humanoid_Typhoon,

I wasn't attacking you, just pointing out the fact that even though the Reapers likely could build a Dyson Sphere of some sort if they wanted, that they probably would not. I've seen too many people make the leap from "XXXX could have..." to "XXXX must have..."

Oh...It's late perhaps explains why I went on the defensive.

Also it's about time for He who should not be named to come rip on all of our posts after we go to bed.<_<

[Arijharn]

Why do people use meta-gaming for their arguments? Especially to retroactively argue their decisions, to me it sounds like 'justifying' something akin to occult knowledge. If that sounds ridiculous to you, then that's the point I'm trying to make.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Well that kind of came out of the blue.

was that just a statement to everyone or were you adressing someone?

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 10 août 2011 - 09:03 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

alperez wrote...

Considering TIM keeps info to himself until it suits him, its also possible that his ultimate goal was to capture the base all along, his reveal could off course simply be because he didn't have the specifics of that plan until analysis of the data was complete, it could also have been because like he's shown to you previously, he tells you things when he wants, to suit his own purposes.

And I say bollocks.

Of course he didn't have the specific. Fro mwhere could have had it? teh base scans were aquired only after you passed the relay.
While I'm sure TIM did want to Capture Collector/Repaer technology from day 1, to assume he had a plan, when it's downright impossible to have a workable one, is preposterous.

In me1 we're shown cerberus as nothing more than an annoyance, by me2 our understanding of them is completely different, they are in fact a well funded, resourceful organisation that's better connected and much larger than anything in me1 would have led us to believe. We're then given additional info that supposedly tells us the level of that funding and the size of the operation.

That level of funding being a few billion, which is pittance in galactic terms.
As I said before, the comparison between the SA and Cerberus in terms of funding and resources is similar to US and Blackwater.
Now, a few billion is a lot of money, but Cerberus is constantly investing in very large and expensive projects, and by it's very nature of being a rougle Black ops faction which values secrecy, their numbers will be limited. EDI claims Cerberus consists of 150 operatives. Could be more.
But the crux of the matter reamins the same - their numbers and size will be limited by their very nature.

Imo experience with them can lead you to question whether or not the info you received so far is completely accurate, i've used Metagaming to prove that this may not indeed be the case, but your own experience's can lead you to conclude that what your told may in fact not be the complete truth.

So while on the face of it you can come to the conclussion that cerberus is a small organisation based on the info you get from edi, Metagaming shows this could be inaccurate and your own experiences should imo lead you to question any info you receive until you've seen it proved yourself.

What part of "metagaming does tho belong here" do oyu have trouble comprehending. Shepard doesn't have acess to that knowledge. PERIOD. Not a single iota of that knowledge can be used to form a IC decision.

Not to mention that I already eplxained that the gamplay numebrs are rubbish, as they have always been in the history of games, since they almost always conflict with lore.

In terms of the Rachni or Geth or even the base itself, every decision you make is in the end a judgement call, its based on an assessment of the risk vs. benefits and whether or not you can trust the factions motivations are what they claim they are. All of these choices have inherent risks and in making the choices you make you are taking those risks but in the end they come down to a basic point, trust.

And turst really shouldnt' be a factor, since you really have no reason to trust anyone.
Legion, the Rachni queen or Cerberus.
And I notices you didn't say what you did in regards to those decisions in your playtrough.

I've said all along that they key in whether or not you keep or destroy the base is imo whether or not you trust cerberus, this is also the same in whether or not you save or kill the Rachni queen or whether or not you rewrite or destroy the geth imo.

Trust is extreemly subjective, flawed and biased, and as such should have minimal impact on decision making when faced with a problem of such importance and magnitude.

What reason do you have to trust the Rachni queen? Just her words, nothing more.
Legion? Again, his words. and that he works for You.
Cerberus? Their words and their actions.

Each choice though is a different sceanario, with different facts and info presented to you, making one choice in a certain way doesn't force you to make every single choice in that same way or make the facts behind why a certain choice was made relevant to any of the others, simply because in the end its a judgement call based not only on facts but on trusting the motivations and reasoning behind each faction.

If you condemn cerberus because of potential negative consequence,s but spare the Rachni even tough their negatives could be far worse, they yes..that is hypocritical.

I can see why you think they are the wrong reasons though your reasons behind why they're wrong are wrong, but then your perfectly entitled to be wrong, after all your on a streak and we wouldn't want you to break it by being right

And you happen to be wrong..again.

[TMA LIVE]

I got Mac to comment on two things:

http://twitter.com/#...032766250033152

TMA: Would you say Cerberus is after you for different reasons, depending on the ending of ME2? Or is it the same reason?

MAC: I'm not sure I would say #Cerberus is after you at all. Though #Shepard and the #IllusiveMan clearly don't see eye to eye in #ME3.

This could mean that Cerberus is more of fighting Shepard because he's in the way of something. Though it's vague.

And about the date:

TMA: Also, is there a specific date for when ME3 takes place?

MAC: We've narrowed it down to a fairly specific point in time. Yes.....

http://twitter.com/#...032977508737024

And it seems we're not going to get any more then that for now.

If it is 2186, then Arrival was setup to be after ME2 in an alternate canon as Cerberus News suggests. Either way, that's all I'll see it as. An alternate canon.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 10 août 2011 - 12:55 .

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

And turst really shouldnt' be a factor, since you really have no reason to trust anyone.
Legion, the Rachni queen or Cerberus.
And I notices you didn't say what you did in regards to those decisions in your playtrough.

They aren't terrorists, and that's good enough for me.

Besides, Legion takes you to a heretic geth base, which you can decide to blow up or purge. He trusts Shepard. Otherwise, he wouldn't do it.

The rachni queen has nothing to gain on a betrayal and going on a wild murder spree like her ancestors.

Trust is very big factor, because if they're trustworthy, you can...well, trust them with things and sharing information.

Like Legion does with Shepard.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

And turst really shouldnt' be a factor, since you really have no reason to trust anyone.
Legion, the Rachni queen or Cerberus.
And I noticed you didn't say what you did in regards to those decisions in your playtrough.

They aren't terrorists, and that's good enough for me.

Besides, Legion takes you to a heretic geth base, which you can decide to blow up or purge. He trusts Shepard. Otherwise, he wouldn't do it.

The rachni queen has nothing to gain on a betrayal and going on a wild murder spree like her ancestors.

Trust is very big factor, because if they're trustworthy, you can...well, trust them with things and sharing information.

Like Legion does with Shepard.

See, that is exceptionally biased thinking there.

They aren't terrorists..they are just a race that caused a massive war and unleased untold destruction - so much so, that all races after that prevented activation of alpha relays after that.

Legion and the Geth base? It was in Legions interest to bring you there. Not to mention it could all be just a lure to gain Sheps confidence.

The Rachnii quees? She wants to live. She has EVERY reason to lie to you. And the negative consequences of letting her free are worse than anything Cerberus could do. Did you free her?


See? Once you start ascirbing nefarious motives to people, it becomes exceptionally easy to find evil and deciet in everything.


And well, the problem with trust is that it's a subjective and personal thing marred in bias. To base far-reaching decisions of galactic importance purely on that is IMHO egoistical. To put so much value in one owns "feel"..even moreso given that humans are capable of being exceptionally petty, and thus hate/love and turst/distrust for the sillest of reasons.

I prefer numbers - something that is more objective and solid.
Like the situation at hand - the galactic community is boned, as their naval forces don't stand a chance agaisnt the repaers. THAT is a major factor that is self-evident.

Trust is something one can work with or around. Take precautions and necessary steps. Predict and prepare.
A fleet of sentient super-starships? Not so much.