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[Humanoid_Typhoon]

@Sebo,ugh choosing between Salarians and the Geth,what is wrong with you?

[Sebby]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

@Sebo,ugh choosing between Salarians and the Geth,what is wrong with you?

More like choosing between Salarians and Krogan.

[Sisterofshane]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

And let me put it this way...if you Saphra, asked me to come help defend your house tomorrow, while mine is also seemingly at similar risk, do you think I would drop everything for you?  NO, I wouldn't.

Would I do it for one of my good friends?  Yes.  A trustworthy relationship is very important when it comes to matters of defense and strategy.

Right. I guess also that if you and I shared a mutual friend that you wouldn't help this firend if you knew I as well was helping.

I concede though. If the rest of the galaxy is as foolish as you are then they are too dumb to live.

If I found you dying in the desert and offered you a bottle of water and a ride back to civilization I suppose you'd be ignorant enough to kick the water out of my hand and decline rescue. Your funeral, sweety.

Yeah Yeah, I get the point.  You think I'm stupid.  You in your infinite wisdom know all and doom the rest of us who oppose you to an eternity of video game damnation because in a game where people are allowed to make their own choices, you seem to feel that only your choices are the "right" ones.

And, from now on I am only going to respond to people who have valid arguments to bring up and don't resort to name-calling.  I choose to behave like an adult.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Seboist wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

@Sebo,ugh choosing between Salarians and the Geth,what is wrong with you?

More like choosing between Salarians and Krogan.

Forgot the Krogan....well I have Grunt and Wrex.

[ddv.rsa]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...
The power struggle between Cerberus and the Alliance is a very fine line, and in some places seemingly intertwined.  Give TIM the CB, and wham-o!  Cerberus is now more powerful then the Alliance.  The Alliance becomes discredited, and as a result, so does humanity.

That assumes that Cerberus will reveal itself to be more powerful than the Alliance, at least in this critical moment. Instead of just act like the secretive organization it always was (one that I believe already influences the alliance anyhow).

In ME3 they seem to be openly warring against the Alliance. Begun, the Clone War has.

[Zulu_DFA]

Sisterofshane wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

And let me put it this way...if you Saphra, asked me to come help defend your house tomorrow, while mine is also seemingly at similar risk, do you think I would drop everything for you?  NO, I wouldn't.

Would I do it for one of my good friends?  Yes.  A trustworthy relationship is very important when it comes to matters of defense and strategy.

Right. I guess also that if you and I shared a mutual friend that you wouldn't help this firend if you knew I as well was helping.

I concede though. If the rest of the galaxy is as foolish as you are then they are too dumb to live.

If I found you dying in the desert and offered you a bottle of water and a ride back to civilization I suppose you'd be ignorant enough to kick the water out of my hand and decline rescue. Your funeral, sweety.

Yeah Yeah, I get the point.  You think I'm stupid.  You in your infinite wisdom know all and doom the rest of us who oppose you to an eternity of video game damnation because in a game where people are allowed to make their own choices, you seem to feel that only your choices are the "right" ones.

And, from now on I am only going to respond to people who have valid arguments to bring up and don't resort to name-calling.  I choose to behave like an adult.

Typical paragoon behavior: get pwn'd by a reasonable argument, take insult, claim higher moral ground.

[SandTrout]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Is this your way of trying to avoid responding to my post? Did "I" make you look incompetent again? I took your line of reasoning to its logical conclusion and asked you a question.

Nope, you only person you're making appear incompotent is yourself. As I said, no one buys the "Emporer's new clothes" approach.

[KnightofPhoenix]

ddv.rsa wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...
The power struggle between Cerberus and the Alliance is a very fine line, and in some places seemingly intertwined.  Give TIM the CB, and wham-o!  Cerberus is now more powerful then the Alliance.  The Alliance becomes discredited, and as a result, so does humanity.

That assumes that Cerberus will reveal itself to be more powerful than the Alliance, at least in this critical moment. Instead of just act like the secretive organization it always was (one that I believe already influences the alliance anyhow).

In ME3 they seem to be openly warring against the Alliance. Begun, the Clone War has.

Yes, but we have no indication as of yet that they revealed themselves to have tipped the balance in their favor.

And I personally think people are overestimating either Cerberus or the base if they think it almost automatically makes Cerberus more powerful than the alliance.

[SandTrout]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Typical paragoon behavior: get pwn'd by a reasonable argument, take insult, claim higher moral ground.

Zulu, I'd be very careful and re-read the context of Saphra and sis's remarks. Saphra broke out the insults pages ago, and hasn't stopped.

[Sebby]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

@Sebo,ugh choosing between Salarians and the Geth,what is wrong with you?

More like choosing between Salarians and Krogan.

Forgot the Krogan....well I have Grunt and Wrex.

They still won't be pleased if you saved the Rachni... or rather they shouldn't have been.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Seboist wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

@Sebo,ugh choosing between Salarians and the Geth,what is wrong with you?

More like choosing between Salarians and Krogan.

Forgot the Krogan....well I have Grunt and Wrex.

They still won't be pleased if you saved the Rachni... or rather they shouldn't have been.

Hmm.....Grunt always has my back I'm his battlemaster,and Wrex doesn't give a vorchas ass about the Rachni he is in it for the Krogans as a whole,can't speak for the rest though.

[Zulu_DFA]

ddv.rsa wrote...

In ME3 they seem to be openly warring against the Alliance.

Where?

[Sisterofshane]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...
The power struggle between Cerberus and the Alliance is a very fine line, and in some places seemingly intertwined.  Give TIM the CB, and wham-o!  Cerberus is now more powerful then the Alliance.  The Alliance becomes discredited, and as a result, so does humanity.

That assumes that Cerberus will reveal itself to be more powerful than the Alliance, at least in this critical moment. Instead of just act like the secretive organization it always was (one that I believe already influences the alliance anyhow).

And let me put it this way...if you Saphra, asked me to come help defend your house tomorrow, while mine is also seemingly at similar risk, do you think I would drop everything for you?  NO, I wouldn't.

Would I do it for one of my good friends?  Yes.  A trustworthy relationship is very important when it comes to matters of defense and strategy.

Trustworthy relationship and politics seem to be mutually exclusive terms and the most if not the only important thing when it comes to defense and strategy is interest and the only form of trust one could have is based on ability and not will (as in I trust the weak to be unable to do things only the strong can do), but I digress.

If it turns out Saphra, who is facing extinction, also has a weapon or info that could prove valuable to defending your own home the next day. Wouldn't you aid him / her? 

If a friend is also facing an attack on the same day, and he has nothing to offer you and you would risk wasting your ressources for nothing, and there is no possible way to save both him and Saphra, who would you save?

In your situation above, if and ONLY IF there was some sort of undeniable assurance that she wouldn't turn around the day after victory and try to force me into subjugation/eliminate me with the same weapon.  What would be the point of helping her save her house if she would just turn around and destroy mine anyway?

As for the friend thing, no contest.  My friends help IS the resource, and I would trust her/him to in turn help me defend my home as payment.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

What the hell is Saphra talking about?

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 15 août 2011 - 10:04 .

[Sebby]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

@Sebo,ugh choosing between Salarians and the Geth,what is wrong with you?

More like choosing between Salarians and Krogan.

Forgot the Krogan....well I have Grunt and Wrex.

They still won't be pleased if you saved the Rachni... or rather they shouldn't have been.

Hmm.....Grunt always has my back I'm his battlemaster,and Wrex doesn't give a vorchas ass about the Rachni he is in it for the Krogans as a whole,can't speak for the rest though.

Wrex was very upset about if you take him to Noveria and free her in his presence. He vows that the Krogan will deal with them like before.

Of course Wrex conveniently forgets about it in ME2....

[ddv.rsa]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
And I personally think people are overestimating either Cerberus or the base if they think it almost automatically makes Cerberus more powerful than the alliance.

Here's a thought: if Cerberus turned against the Alliance, would all their operatives follow them? I think you can count on some considering it too much and defecting with intel. I'm fairly certain that whatever Cerberus learns from the base will reach the Alliance sooner rather than later.

[Zulu_DFA]

SandTrout wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Typical paragoon behavior: get pwn'd by a reasonable argument, take insult, claim higher moral ground.

Zulu, I'd be very careful and re-read the context of Saphra and sis's remarks. Saphra broke out the insults pages ago, and hasn't stopped.

Yeah, I know Saphra isn't always rational, but that last argument about defending a mutual friend comes across as worth replying, if you have anything to do it with.

[ddv.rsa]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

ddv.rsa wrote...

In ME3 they seem to be openly warring against the Alliance.

Where?

It looks that way. The Alliance is fighting the Reapers, and Cerberus is allied with the Reapers (at least Cerberus troops have been seen supporting a Reaper). I take that to mean they're allied against the Alliance.

BW have also stated Cerberus troops make up 40% of the enemies you'll face, with husks making up another large chunk. With them as the main organic enemy I'm will to venture they're against  the Alliance.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

It's gonna be awesome when the game comes out the read the 10 page article on ret-con,and how paragons get their cake and eat it too.



You really have to be reading both threads to understand the SOS/Saphra thing that is going on.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Sisterofshane wrote...
In your situation above, if and ONLY IF there was some sort of undeniable assurance that she wouldn't turn around the day after victory and try to force me into subjugation/eliminate me with the same weapon.  What would be the point of helping her save her house if she would just turn around and destroy mine anyway?

As for the friend thing, no contest.  My friends help IS the resource, and I would trust her/him to in turn help me defend my home as payment.

Hence why, while helping her, you'd also try to undermine her and steal her tech. It's much easier to do that if you are allied, instead of just leaving her to die. Pardon the cliche but it's a case of "keeping your enemies closer".
Of course hence why, were I Cerberus / alliance, I would not share everything I have at my disposal.
Welcome to the messy world of politics.

But what if your friend can't help? What if he is mortally wounded and has nothing to offer? Wouldn't that be wasting ressources on him and risking both your lives, instead of just his?

[SandTrout]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

It's gonna be awesome when the game comes out the read the 10 page article on ret-con,and how paragons get their cake and eat it too.



You really have to be reading both threads to understand the SOS/Saphra thing that is going on.

Oh, but entertaining it is. It has actually become quite humorous to watch Saphra evade answering.

[Sisterofshane]

SandTrout wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Typical paragoon behavior: get pwn'd by a reasonable argument, take insult, claim higher moral ground.

Zulu, I'd be very careful and re-read the context of Saphra and sis's remarks. Saphra broke out the insults pages ago, and hasn't stopped.

 Zulu, she has no intention of holding a reasonable debate without insulting.  You can't claim that she is NOT insulting other people when she outright refers to them as stupid.

And moral high ground has nothing to do with it.  There is nothing to debate with someone who refuses to believe they are wrong.  I am open to other's way of thinking, and can be swayed by logical arguments, at which point I do not accept that to be "failure" on my part, but rather open myself to be more informed and prepared for the next debate.  That is the nature and reason of debate.

Otherwise it just sounds like Daffy Duck and Bugs Bunny going "Yes", "No", "Yes", "No" back and forth.  It's about as much fun to participate in as it is to read, and serves no purpose other then to make the offenders look like three-year olds on the playground.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

SandTrout wrote...
Oh, but entertaining it is. It has actually become quite humorous to watch Saphra evade answering.

It is quite enertaining.


"I don't have to reinforce what I said becuz yer dum."