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[Longsword-83]

Saphra Deden wrote...
It's inevitable. It can't be stopped or avoided.

Challenge accepted.

Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity.

[Someone With Mass]

Asking a person to stop being emotional is like asking Cerberus to stop being a colossal failure. It's not going to happen soon.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 15 août 2011 - 01:04 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

If you would sir,please provide your source for 99% chance we lose without it.

Also,your 99% is an opinion,so yet again,not a fact.

Given that it took the DA and 2 fleets to take out 1 reaper.... and there's thousands of them coming. The chances of survival for the galaxy are near nil.

You can try to debate this, but it's been already done in other threads, and no effective strategy or plan agaisnt even a small fleet of the reapers was produced.

Then do tell,what is the point of ME3?

To play teh game and win?
I mena, honestly, what kind of an argument is that. It's game. As a player you KNOW you'll win. Some Mc'guffin or something will fall fro mteh sky. Plot shields will protect Shep and such.

But again, This isn't IC thinking. IC, Shep doesn't know he's in a game. Beter yet, put yourself in Shpes shoes. The ME universe is real. No saves. No character shields. Just cold, harsh reality.

Knowing what Shep knows about  the power of the reapers and the current state of the galaxy, would you really believe you had much hope?

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...
Anyone who is an adult should be able to manage it. It's part of growing up.

Uh-huh.

Actors all over the world would disagree with you something fierce.

[Lotion Soronarr]

SandTrout wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...


Given that it took the DA and 2 fleets to take out 1 reaper.... and there's thousands of them coming. The chances of survival for the galaxy are near nil.

Incorrect. It took the Arcturus fleet, which lost about 6~7 cruisers IIRC, to take down sovereign. The DA and the citadel fleet were engaging the Geth outside of the Citadel, and only the Alliance had enough unengaged ships to push in on Sovereign.

Hackett claims otherwise.
Some Bio devs did claim that the cutscene was wrong in a few details as it was rushed.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Plenty of plans have been produced,you can't say they aren't effective because you have nothing to compare them to.

What plans?

[Longsword-83]

Saphra Deden wrote...


Anyone who is an adult should be able to manage it. It's part of growing up.

I know several US Marines that would say otherwise. Especially the ones with PTSD.

[Lotion Soronarr]

alperez wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

If you would sir,please provide your source for 99% chance we lose without it.

Also,your 99% is an opinion,so yet again,not a fact.

Given that it took the DA and 2 fleets to take out 1 reaper.... and there's thousands of them coming. The chances of survival for the galaxy are near nil.

You can try to debate this, but it's been already done in other threads, and no effective strategy or plan agaisnt even a small fleet of the reapers was produced.

So let me get this straight the justificationyour using for being 99% right in claming not keeping the base means we lose, is it took a huge effort to defeat sovereign, so how exactly does this prove your argument?

All that statement proves is that it'll take an even larger effort in defeating the reapers, it proves absolutely nothing in regard to the base whatsoever.

With 2-3 fleets (DA is worth a fleet) needed per reaper, it does prove the universe is royally f****, as you don't have several thousand fleets worth of ships.
As any standard plans of engagment with the forces we have end up beign suicide, it's imperative to look for anything we can use agasint them.

Hence, the base. Our chances of victory as it stands are almost non-existant.
With the base? Hard to tell. Good chance of improving, given the technology in there. If nothing comes out of it, your'e back where you were before..

As I said before - GODZILLA TRESHOLD
tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GodzillaThreshold

[Fixers0]

Saphra Deden wrote...

We can't let damaged individuals hold the rest of us back.

Don't worry though, even those who refuse to understand or accept our destiny will be dragged into it anyway.

Care to explain what kind of a weak minded coward you need to be in order to be willing to sacrice you're own sovereignty, consciousness and faith in your species, so that you can pointlesstly exist as a tin can  with no purpose or free will?  

[Longsword-83]

Saphra Deden wrote...

We can't let damaged individuals hold the rest of us back.

Don't worry though, even those who refuse to understand or accept our destiny will be dragged into it anyway.

Say that in front of one.



I'll send you a nice card while you're recovring from the medical condition known as "I got jumped by every damn serviceman within 50 miles and my insides look like haggis".

[Fixers0]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Care to explain what kind of a weak minded coward you need to be in order to be willing to sacrice you're own sovereignty, consciousness and faith in your species, so that you can pointlesstly exist as a tin can  with no purpose or free will?  

It's not cowardice, it's bravery. It was a tough pill to swallow, but I had to do it. I had to sit down and look at the situation and find the best plausible outcome. Surrender is that outcome.

Not really an anwser,

Again i ask, what bravery is there in being nothing but betrayer of you're species, why would one commit such an act?
 

[Longsword-83]

Saphra Deden wrote...

It's not cowardice, it's bravery. It was a tough pill to swallow, but I had to do it. I had to sit down and look at the situation and find the best plausible outcome. Surrender is that outcome.

See, funny thing about humans. We're impulsive and driven by the desire to survive as we are. Doesn't matter how much logic you put into something to pretty it up and make it presentable, because in the end we're just hairless apes with innate knowledge of killing stuff with sticks and rocks.

And whatever we don't like, we will bash with those sticks until the thing is dead, or we're dead. Sure, a few weak-willed people will go out thinking "Oh, the other guy has a point, we whould listen". But most of the time that doesn't really end well for them. Because the first group will beat them to death.

And then we gather up the nastiest, meanest, burliest lot. We give them bigger sticks. Sticks that can level city blocks and render planets uninhabitable. And put them under smarter, competent apes to tell them where to swing the sticks. And apes that move bigger sticks made out of smaller sticks to get the apes where they need to go so smash the enemy. And apes who can tell who the enemy is, where the enemy is, what kind of sticks they're using, and what the best way to smash them is. And if they don't know the last part, well, we throw apes at the problem and look for the enemy to flinch.

And when it DOES flinch, we take that information, take a REALLY big, REALLY sharp rock, tie it to a stick, and then we JAM that rock-stick into the soft spot on that enemy and repeat as necessary until the thing is DEAD. And then we find something else to smash and we repeat.

Humans fight. It's what we do. Go ahead with your "ascension" and "greater good". The rest of us will take up our rocks and sticks and beat the hell out of you and your fellow collaborators. And then we'll beat the ever-loving hell out of anything else, including ourselves, just to prove a point to any potential challengers.

We poison our air and water to weed out the weak. We set off fission bombs in our own cradle. We nailed our God to a stick. Do not **** with the Human race.

Modifié par Longsword-83, 15 août 2011 - 01:49 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

alperez wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

[Why do people keep bringing up the failed argument of 'The CB won't defeat the Reapers on its own, therefor it is pointless to keep it"?

Possibly because some people seem to continually bring up the failed argument that destroying the base MOST LIKEY dooms us to defeat, so by destroying it we're MOST LIKELY dooming the galaxy.

Fixed htat for ya.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

STRYFEDX wrote...

Soronar is fail just cause he either trolling or he doesn't understand he is using his view as logic or fact when its nothing more than his personal view..

Which is the point we have been making for a few days but he seems incapable of seperating assumption,opinion and fact,and when you disagree with him it's just wrong or invalid.

Speak(s) the troll(s).

[Ieldra]

Someone With Mass wrote...
Asking a person to stop being emotional is like asking Cerberus to stop being a colossal failure. It's not going to happen soon.

Asking a person to not have emotions is futile. Asking a person to not act on their emotions without added reflection, however, is part of what we learn when we grow up. Most of us learn that in many, many everyday situations, your unadulterated emotion isn't a good guideline for action, even though we manage to follow that rule to different degrees.

In the case of decisions with non-intuitive consequences, especially if they affect many others, being able to distance yourself from your emotions is a primary requirement.

"The essence of balance is detachment[/i].
To embrace a cause, to grow fond or spiteful,
is to lose one's balance, after which, no action can be trusted."
(From Thief: The Dark Project, a Keeper quote)

Of course this is an ideal to aspire to. We all have causes we embrace, unless we're enlightened Buddhists. But in order to get a clear picture of a situation, we must necessarily step away from our emotions as much as we can.

[azerSheppard]

Longsword-83 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

We can't let damaged individuals hold the rest of us back.

Don't worry though, even those who refuse to understand or accept our destiny will be dragged into it anyway.

Say that in front of one.



I'll send you a nice card while you're recovring from the medical condition known as "I got jumped by every damn serviceman within 50 miles and my insides look like haggis".

My best friends brother had PTSD,my father showed symptoms as did both my uncles, anyone who thinks it's a joke has not seen war outside of video's and games.

Saphra Deden wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...


Not really an anwser,

Again i ask, what bravery is there in being nothing but betrayer of you're species, why would one commit such an act?
 

Not a betrayer, a savior. 

The dutch politicians, bureaucrats and other goverment official during WWII collaborated to save themselves and their fellow non-jewish people by deporting the jews on trains, truly the 80% collaboration rates consisted of SAVIORS, not betrayers.:innocent:

Modifié par azerSheppard, 15 août 2011 - 01:59 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

alperez wrote...
The very same thing is true of the Justicars, they are an order which follows a specific code, they are as accepted by the Asari as the spectres are by the council, so again what point is it your trying to make.

That they consider themselves and their codes above everyone else.

Your argument was that the council races would not act in consensus and to support that argument, you bring up 2 irrelvant points as if they prove your argument, no wonder you dismiss arguments so easily, half the time your not even arguing your own points.

No, my argument was that the council races would do whatever it takes to save themselves - which s pretty much what you'd except from anyone.

You think the Asari would give a damn about what the Turians, Salarians OR humans think if they decideto sacrifice humantiy in an attmept to please the reapers?

Again, concensus is irrlevant to the point. If entire species end up abused and exterminated, who cares if 3 people agreed or not?

[Longsword-83]

azerSheppard wrote...
My best friends brother had PTSD,my father showed symptoms as did both my uncles, anyone who thinks it's a joke has not seen war outside of video's and games.

You misunderstood me. Say to someone with PTSD that they're weak or anything to that effect, and you WILL recieve several boots up your exhaust port, verbally and literally from their nearest comrades, and in several cases, family.

I've lived outside of military bases my whole life. I'm due to join any day now. I've seen what happens to people who come back home with it. I feel nothing for them if not hope.