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[XyleJKH]

LGTX wrote...

Eamon696 wrote...
Even if it was, why do you care?  How does it affect the choices you made, the relationships you forged, and the Shepards you crafted?

Careful now. Posting super-disarming and logical questions like those can quickly kill the discussion, which is based on anything but.

Seriously though, seconded.

I agree. Too many whiners here. I complain about the complaining. Everyone getting all bent out of shape about this really need to get a hobby

[joriandrake]

Had-to-say wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

Had-to-say wrote...

They could get Drew to adapt Revelation for the screen and get Joey Ansah to play a young Anderson. Problem solved everyone is happy. Plus we get a young Saren!

Take a look:



I'd watch it.

I sign this, most non-english people like me never read any of the books due to access/language issues, this would be a good idea for the movie which would be more likely to have more translations or subs

You really should read the book it is pretty good. The intro to the book is great.  The later chapters shines some light on the whole Saren and Anderson issue. Anderson was one pretty cool Spectre candidate. I like Joey he has a love for video games as well . After I read his bio I was convinced the guy was similar to young  Anderson based on Drew's description in the book. 

Another cool showreel: http://www.joeyansah.com/showreels

sure, translate it to hungarian then sell it at a nearby bookstore, then I buy it

[Had-to-say]

@joriandrake your english seems pretty good to me.

[littlezack]

nicksmi56 wrote...

Not trying to start an arguement but someone pls explain why we're assuming a whole bunch of people who have no idea about this would rush to the theater

You make a pretty good point.  I imagine most people would have to be recommended by fans of the game...  hehe.

They'll go for the same reason a lot of non-Star Trek fans went to see the Star Trek movie - if it looks good and has some solid trailers, people will go to see it. It'll come down to presentation and word of mouth.

Modifié par littlezack, 31 juillet 2011 - 12:52 .

[joriandrake]

Had-to-say wrote...

@joriandrake your english seems pretty good to me.

sure, and I also play games in english, and watch movies subbed in english, still, books are different, books are hard to enjoy in a foreign language even if it is true that the original version of books is alwayys the better ones


anyway, I want to point out that while I am not that terrible with english I still prefer books in my own language because otherwise its hard to read and on the long run it makes my head ache, not to mention reading a book in foreign language makes it take 2-3 times more energy and time than otherwise


also, there are many people who always played Mass Effect in their own native language/sub and are in similar position (that is, not have read the books), this shows that a movie about the books would have a greater audience even among existing Mass Effect fans than a movie about the game story itself that would dangerously create a "canon" story and ruin the game experience for many people.

Not to mention there would be quite many people who never played ME1 but watched the movie, and then would find the game itself boring due to it being the exact same story that they already seen in cinema

[littlezack]

 also, there are many people who always played Mass Effect in their own native language/sub and are in similar position (that is, not have read the books), this shows that a movie about the books would have a greater audience even among existing Mass Effect fans than a movie about the game story itself that would dangerously create a "canon" story and ruin the game experience for many people. 

I still don't get how it 'ruins your experience', especially for a game that came out some six years before the movies release. Even if the developers declare it to be official canon - which, again, NOBODY has even come close to saying - does that somehow make ME1 less fun? Less enjoyable?

[1136342t54_]

So BSN is complaining about a movie maybe focused on Mass Effect and may follow the events of the First game.

Also it seems that a few posters seem to worry that this movie will be official canon. I wonder what ass they pulled that out of.

Stay classy BSN.

[joriandrake]

littlezack wrote...

 also, there are many people who always played Mass Effect in their own native language/sub and are in similar position (that is, not have read the books), this shows that a movie about the books would have a greater audience even among existing Mass Effect fans than a movie about the game story itself that would dangerously create a "canon" story and ruin the game experience for many people. 

I still don't get how it 'ruins your experience', especially for a game that came out some six years before the movies release. Even if the developers declare it to be official canon - which, again, NOBODY has even come close to saying - does that somehow make ME1 less fun? Less enjoyable?

yes, just as it is the cause for many books and movies being terrible with bad revenues, like the Baldur's Gate books

[joriandrake]

1136342t54 wrote...

So BSN is complaining about a movie maybe focused on Mass Effect and may follow the events of the First game.

Also it seems that a few posters seem to worry that this movie will be official canon. I wonder what ass they pulled that out of.

Stay classy BSN.

noone would complain if the movie would be in ME universe but about a different story than that of the games, I even support the book story as not even all ME players did read them so it means bigger movie audience that would not see anything that would compromise their own game experience

[littlezack]

joriandrake wrote...

littlezack wrote...

 also, there are many people who always played Mass Effect in their own native language/sub and are in similar position (that is, not have read the books), this shows that a movie about the books would have a greater audience even among existing Mass Effect fans than a movie about the game story itself that would dangerously create a "canon" story and ruin the game experience for many people. 

I still don't get how it 'ruins your experience', especially for a game that came out some six years before the movies release. Even if the developers declare it to be official canon - which, again, NOBODY has even come close to saying - does that somehow make ME1 less fun? Less enjoyable?

yes, just as it is the cause for many books and movies being terrible with bad revenues, like the Baldur's Gate books

So let me get this straight - a movie that you don't even plan on seeing will somehow lessen the experience of a game you played seven years ago. Righth?

[joriandrake]

littlezack wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

littlezack wrote...

 also, there are many people who always played Mass Effect in their own native language/sub and are in similar position (that is, not have read the books), this shows that a movie about the books would have a greater audience even among existing Mass Effect fans than a movie about the game story itself that would dangerously create a "canon" story and ruin the game experience for many people. 

I still don't get how it 'ruins your experience', especially for a game that came out some six years before the movies release. Even if the developers declare it to be official canon - which, again, NOBODY has even come close to saying - does that somehow make ME1 less fun? Less enjoyable?

yes, just as it is the cause for many books and movies being terrible with bad revenues, like the Baldur's Gate books

So let me get this straight - a movie that you don't even plan on seeing will somehow lessen the experience of a game you played seven years ago. Righth?

The decision of seeing it or not is based upon the decision of using the game/shepard story or not, and it doesn't matter how many years or weeks ago one played ME1, due to transferred data from ME1 up to ME3 people get the feeling of a constant unified story, or atleast most do, so for them ME1 is not a very distant memory but something that happened ingame just 1-2 years ago and events and decisions in it still resurface and have consequences

[nicksmi56]

@littlezack But star trek still has the advantage of popularity. Plus, in the rest of my post, i mention how many unknown sci fi movies bomb. I just don't understand how alot of posters are like "people who haven't played the games will like it" when in reality most won't care imho

[Sierra Crysis]

littlezack wrote...
No, it's not. First off, we have no reason to believe the canon of the movie will effect the game. This movie is going to drop LONG after ME3 does. The movie's canon isn't going to affect the game's canon.

Second, even if it did, even if Bioware did say the movie is OFFICIAL canon, what does that change about your playthroughs? Nothing.

Some arguments in this, I can at least understand. People worrying that it won't be good? I get that.People thinking that there are better avenues to explore? I get that. I disagree with the points, but I get where they're coming from. Worrying that the movie somehow invalidates your playthroughs, though, is just plain silly.

First let me just say that comparing Batman and Robin to Mass Effect is like comparing apples to oranges. Mass Effect is like one of those old adventure books (Flip to page 93 to goto the snowy mountains) to a set script. Batman was a comic with set characters and though these characters do get changed, people know then that they ARE changes because there is a Batman canon; and so the movie just gets bashed.

Mass Effect has been said since the beginning that your choices are your canon; which is setting bioware up to be a huge liar if this movie becomes popular at all; because then what you have is this snowball effect. Where new authors and game companies are going to want to get in on the IP, and they'll base their series on the most popular medium, which will be the movie because it's above all the most acessible thing for humans to get into in today's world. So from then on, there will be this IP canon like they did with Revan, and Obsidian with the Exile.

Now, I don't know about you, but it's severely affected my future playthroughs of these games, because as a player I want my decisions to mean something, if anything else, in my head. But you know, I can't even do that because I know that Revan is a set stone that is a guy that undertakes the lightside ending and falls in love with Bastilla. It's the same with the Exile, though I suppose to a lesser extent because they made her as I typically play the game anyways. What they did with Revan was tolerable to me though because, they had to fit him into the Starwars IP somehow, and he was an awesome enough character to have other stories revolve around him... And I wasn't really old enough then to care to look and see if they made this canon promise then...

Well in ME, they don't have the same problems. ME is THEIR IP, and all EU comics and novels have purposely avoided a canon which supports their promise, and I love them for that. But what's going to happen with this movie is that their creation is going to get ripped out of their hands like what happened with Lucas and Starwars. Of course, this won't happen if the movie isn't popular, if it's based on ME1. So... The worst thing that can happen in my opinion then is that the movie becomes successful, which is horrible to say because I really want Bioware to make this work. There's plenty of other games that could be made into movies, and may possibly be if ME works and sets a new bar like the recent comic movies have. But I wouldn't want any of it at the risk of damaging the series, and looking at my Shepard only to think every time that I make a choice that I'm delving into some dellusional alternate reality that poses absolutely no weight, because X is the right answer.

Yes it invalidates your playthroughs.
Yes it changes the standpoint that there is no CANON
So, YES, it does effect the game's CANON.

[LiquidLogic2020]

Why would I be upset? I find it all very amusing that somebody must have said "hey, lets make another stain on the history of film!"

[littlezack]

If you really, truly believe that a movie based on a game somehow invalidates the choices you made, then you are really, truly taking Mass Effect and life in general too seriously. I played KotoR, too, and I heard about the Revan canon thing. You know what? I don't care. Why should I? I played a fun game, I had a good time, it is what it is to me.

The choices I made with Shepard and the things I did are still my experiences. Nothing changes that. No movie, not Let's Play, nothing. It's just straight up stupid to think that the choices in the movie warp your own choices. Do you seriously mean to say you'll be playing the game one day, and have this reaction:

"Well, I feel like my Shepard should let the Rachni Queen live...but the MOVIE Shepard killed her! Even though the movie has no tangible effect on this game and wasn't even released before this trilogy was finished, this means that my choice is completely meaningless, despite the fact that I know it has X and X effect in later games."

You're speculating on things that haven't happened, and for all you know, won't happen.

[Had-to-say]

littlezack wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

littlezack wrote...

 also, there are many people who always played Mass Effect in their own native language/sub and are in similar position (that is, not have read the books), this shows that a movie about the books would have a greater audience even among existing Mass Effect fans than a movie about the game story itself that would dangerously create a "canon" story and ruin the game experience for many people. 

I still don't get how it 'ruins your experience', especially for a game that came out some six years before the movies release. Even if the developers declare it to be official canon - which, again, NOBODY has even come close to saying - does that somehow make ME1 less fun? Less enjoyable?

yes, just as it is the cause for many books and movies being terrible with bad revenues, like the Baldur's Gate books

So let me get this straight - a movie that you don't even plan on seeing will somehow lessen the experience of a game you played seven years ago. Righth?

Yes I do think there is something appealing about going into a novelty store, and finding something novel. Mass Effect 1 is a novelty to this community. I learned that on my first day here. Mass Effect 1 is indeed special.

Now things that are mainstream are considered to be bad, commercial and a sell out.  This isn't the case always but most of the time. This was already talked about in numerous threads. This is another case of profit over artistic integrity. The problem is my fond memories will be offset and share space with hatred for a film. In 2011 no such legacy of hatred exists. In 2013 I may cringe at Mass Effect ommercials. The legacy and my memory of it will be tarnished.

All such future discussions of Mass Effect will include things like:  "Remember that bad Star Wars rip off." (My greatest fear) Then my future self may have to defend the game. 

I try not to talk about this topic so much because it is not my legacy to defend. I have no stake in this venture. I am just a fan. One thing that is unprecedented, is to be a movie, and achieve success without approval of the existing fan base. Has it happened before?  
 

[Gandalf-the-Fabulous]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

Did you really think that they would make a Mass Effect movie and not have it based around Shepard? I hate to break it to you guys but the whole Mass Effect universe revolves around Shepard, and no not your Shepard but this guy



You know the guy on the cover and every single piece of advertising for the game? I mean seriously guys use a bit of common sense, it makes me laugh every time somebody starts crying about the fact that the movie will be based on the on the events of the first game or the fact that the Commander Shepard in the movie wont be a woman, as if such things even had a chance of happening.

Problem with this theory champ. That Shepard would not exist in a movie based upon Commander Shepard, as the person modeling him is not an actor. So it would be a completely unique Shepard who played the role. Now if someone of actual repute was hired, like a Matt Damon. I would be significantly more interested since he usually tends to follow good work. Nonetheless, I am primarily indifferent about the concept. If they wish to use Shepard, by all means go for it. My only requirement is they actually make it worth my time and not something that is a convoluted mess (looking at you Resident Evil)

Was the Ali in the movie Ali a completely unique version of Muhammad Ali? We all know that it was Will Smith playing the role and not Muhammad Ali himself but that doesnt change the fact that the character was still based on Muhammad Ali. Unless Vanderloo himself plays the role of Shepard (or the movie is animated) and Mark Meer supplies the voice then you are right and the Shepard in the movie will not be exactly the same as he is in the game, however that doesnt change the fact that the Shepard in the movie will be based on the default canon Shepard that appears on the cover and all marketing related to the game.

[Reciever80]

Please, Bioware. Introduce the movie with the final moments of the Protheans, show them sending out a final signal to the various research teams who begin working on their final projects; not for them, but for the next generation of alien races). Then it cuts into short cinematics of human evolution, followed by the discovery of the Charon relay, which is then followed by the FCW.

That, to me at least, would be one HELL of a movie.

Think superman, where you see Krypton blow up. Sorta like that for the intro in the ME movie.

[luzburg]

i totaly agree with the 2 points, a movie about the first contact war dosent contain alot to point to the storyline of the games it only served the induction of the human race to the galactic society, a movie form the novel revelation will be beter since it linkes directly to the fist game,
comon every one thats read that book knows that it is almost a script

i think mini series of the comics or the rest of the novels have been a great idea

[AtreiyaN7]

Not everyone is familiar with the source material, and it's conceivable that the non-gamers might be interested in a good sci-fi story like Mass Effect. What's there to be upset about? The fact that they're not doing the story you want them to? I think one might be somewhat disappointed - upset...not so much.

Plenty of movies are adaptations of existing material, oh, say, like The Lord of the Rings, which, if I recall, was just a bit successful. How many film and stage adaptations are there of Hamlet, King Lear, Romeo and Juliet, and other Shakespearean plays? Despite the plays being around for hundreds of years now, people still like seeing different versions of them and/or reading them. If the movie ends up sucking, well, I don't expect much from video game-based properties, but that's a separate matter.

it does remind me of the Nathan Fillion interview I saw while watching Comic-Con coverage on G4TV. It turns out that he is a fan of HBO's A Game of Thrones. He said that he ended up reading the book(s) later and found the series to be pretty faithful to the source material. This is an example of a film/tv adaptation leading a person to become interested in the original source material itself. By extension, I'm sure that a good film adaptation of ME1 might pique a viewer's interest enough that they might end up wanting to play the actual game (and possibly the entire series).

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 31 juillet 2011 - 03:04 .

[Thane12]

I really dont care. The games are great, and if they wanna make a movie more power to them, I can just hope they can make it a good one. If not oh well i still got the games.

[XyleJKH]

1136342t54 wrote...

So BSN is complaining about a movie maybe focused on Mass Effect and may follow the events of the First game.

Also it seems that a few posters seem to worry that this movie will be official canon. I wonder what ass they pulled that out of.

Stay classy BSN.

No matter what you say or what you prove will not stop the crying. People will Continue to whine and think this will fail. If mass effect is such a bad idea for a movie them why play it? It will be awesome. Good luck bioware.

[1136342t54_]

joriandrake wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

So BSN is complaining about a movie maybe focused on Mass Effect and may follow the events of the First game.

Also it seems that a few posters seem to worry that this movie will be official canon. I wonder what ass they pulled that out of.

Stay classy BSN.

noone would complain if the movie would be in ME universe but about a different story than that of the games, I even support the book story as not even all ME players did read them so it means bigger movie audience that would not see anything that would compromise their own game experience

The flaw about this is that we really don't know for sure if this story is supposed to really take place in ME1. They don't have anything nailed down about the movie for sure and the Comic Con panel was mostly about how much better it will be than other video games movies.

[leggywillow]

I'm trying really, really hard not to turn into a butthurt fan wanker, but I'm not too pleased with the movie.  Even if BW gives an interview explaining that the movie is only one version of the Mass Effect 1 story, new fans (and the members of the fandom who like to ****** about "TEH CANON!") will see that to be the canon.  And I know that it shouldn't matter.  Who cares if some dumb gamer thinks that a paragon Liara-loving ManShep (or whatever the movie establishes) is the "canon" Shepard?  It shouldn't matter, but it still gets under my skin and upsets me.

It's impossible to remain faithful to the source material when the main character of the source material and the events of the story can vary so wildly.

[Luigitornado]

I love the idea of a movie. Another way to enjoy Mass Effect. "Fans" complain too much.