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[JediMaster_Murph]

@ m33t sh33ld that sounds like a good idea, but with star wars, every game, movie, comic and book connect to those original movies with a more concrete connection then just being in the same universe, with ME, the basis is put solely on shepard and reapers, so it would be hard for me at least to see a Mass Effect movie, that just happened to be placed in the ME universe...just puttin this out there, im gonna see anything with mass effect on it in the real world anyways

Modifié par JediMaster_Murph, 30 juillet 2011 - 08:44 .

[Sgt Stryker]

Dry County wrote...

SandTrout wrote...
And if you are not going to use the IP to attract the allready established fanbase to spend $10 at the movie theater, then why use the IP at all?

To attract a larger audience that has probably never played Mass Effect to the IP?

Well, even if only 1% of movie-goers decide to pay the $5 (or however much ME1 costs these days) to purchase and play ME1, I consider that a success for BioWare. Who knows, they might then get absorbed into the rest of the series.

[didymos1120]

littlezack wrote...

The main problem being, of course, that the First Contact War is boring.

Elaborate please.

[littlezack]

SandTrout wrote...

littlezack wrote...

The main problem being, of course, that the First Contact War is boring.

The only reason we have to think that it is boring is that we know so little about it. We have virtually no details other than the inital Turian attack at the relay, their occupation of Shanxi, which was opposed by Alliance marines using guerilla tactics until they ran out of food and were forced to surrender, and the subsequent expulsion of the Turian fleet by the alliance.

Honestly, that sounds similar to the plot of most war movies I've seen, and very few of them were boring.

It was a war in which just,623 humans died, which is barely even a fraction of the deaths in any war a movie would be based on. As the codex itself says: 

 The only notable engagements were the turian attack on Shanxi and its subsequent liberation by human forces.

Does that sound like the making of an epic war movie to you? We don't have information on any other conflicts in the war, because they weren't worth mentioning.

Modifié par littlezack, 30 juillet 2011 - 08:47 .

[DarthSliver]

Well I am on the side with people who dont wanna see ME1 made into a movie. I played ME1 before when i had an 360 and i now play the series on the PS3, RROD does turn a 360 owner into a PS3 player so they dont have to replace the damn thing everytime it RROD. But to the point, Id buy a 360 Slim to play ME1 because Mass Effect is the only 360 game I own still . But at the same time i aint going to knock the movie until it comes out to us and turns out horrible.
Now I would say TFC war would be the best place to make the movie with it starting out with Humans discovering the Charon Relay, but that would leave them with only showing Turians and i see the point of other posters that point that out. But they aint going to make a movie about the Rachini War either because Humans will be in the story of this movie. So I am going to say that Revelation would be the best place for a Mass Effect movie, it has the discovering of the Charon Relay in it. It has Anderson and Saren and it also has various alien speices in it too. Than on top of that it is based before ME1 and I am sure it will end showing Saren looking at Sovereign or something to that effect..

[JediMaster_Murph]

maybe bioware could have ask the fans to vote on major decisions in the movie (virmire, wrex etc.) like they did for the femshep cover girl before it comes out

[Mister Mida]

Nope.

[M33T SH33LD]

SandTrout wrote...

With a first contact war story, humans wouldn't encounter the other
races or even hear of the Citadel until the very end of the film.

Which makes it the perfect point to jump-start new people into the franchise. They still get to learn about the species through the games, but they will be interested in the IP from the movie that doesn't need to contradict anything, anywhere.

The problem with the FCW introducing new people to the galaxy is that humans know nothing about the other alien races till the very, very end.  People would be watching movie about humans getting attacked by a hostile alien race with superior technology and the struggle between us.... and then all of the sudden in the last 10 minutes the movie opens the flood gates and introduces the entire rest of the galaxy.  It would be overwhelming.  Furthermore, the FCW does not deal with some of the larger themes that Mass Effect has, such as :  Humanities struggle to find their place and earn respect (NOT just with the turians), the Batarian-Human duality, the Genophage, the Geth-Quarian relationship, the Protheans, etc.

[SandTrout]

The only notable engagements were the turian attack on Shanxi and its subsequent liberation by human forces.

Talk to Ashley about her grandfather, some time. She describes that the marines were engaging in guerrilla tactics until they were starved out by the Turians.

Note that most war movies actually have far fewer than 623 casualties on the protagonist's side. Usually, there are fewer than a dozen deaths of notable characters. Excepting the Normandy scene, Saving Private Ryan only had a few allied soldiers die. In fact, most of the movie was a squad of less than 10 (I forget the exact number off the top of my head) just traveling, not even fighting.

There is no reason that a FCW movie could not simply follow a squad of Alliance marines as they evade Turian patrols until they are forced to surrender, when the Alliance Fleet arrives to liberate them in a quick, but decisive battle.

[DarthSliver]

M33T SH33LD wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

With a first contact war story, humans wouldn't encounter the other
races or even hear of the Citadel until the very end of the film.

Which makes it the perfect point to jump-start new people into the franchise. They still get to learn about the species through the games, but they will be interested in the IP from the movie that doesn't need to contradict anything, anywhere.

The problem with the FCW introducing new people to the galaxy is that humans know nothing about the other alien races till the very, very end.  People would be watching movie about humans getting attacked by a hostile alien race with superior technology and the struggle between us.... and then all of the sudden in the last 10 minutes the movie opens the flood gates and introduces the entire rest of the galaxy.  It would be overwhelming.  Furthermore, the FCW does not deal with some of the larger themes that Mass Effect has, such as :  Humanities struggle to find their place and earn respect (NOT just with the turians), the Batarian-Human duality, the Genophage, the Geth-Quarian relationship, the Protheans, etc.

I would than say Revelation would be the perfect source for a Mass Effect movie because its a prequel to ME1 and it has various alien species. The movie i would think would literally end with Saren looking at/over Sovereign i believe.

[M33T SH33LD]

JediMaster_Murph wrote...

@ m33t sh33ld that sounds like a good idea, but with star wars, every game, movie, comic and book connect to those original movies with a more concrete connection then just being in the same universe, with ME, the basis is put solely on shepard and reapers, so it would be hard for me at least to see a Mass Effect movie, that just happened to be placed in the ME universe...just puttin this out there, im gonna see anything with mass effect on it in the real world anyways

I definitely see where you're coming from, since we are all fans on these forums our experiences with Mass Effect is completely based around Shepard and the Reapers.  However there are many many other great themes that the Mass Effect universe deals with that would make for fantastic story material.  To someone who has never played the games or even heard of the IP, it's not going to matter to them whether the story is about Shepard or not.... as long as it's a good movie, people will watch it.  It's the fans like you and me that Bioware are going to have a hard time pleasing with this movie.  Does Mass Effect truly need Shepard vs. Reapers to be a great universe/story?  Personally, I don't think so.

[littlezack]

SandTrout wrote...

The only notable engagements were the turian attack on Shanxi and its subsequent liberation by human forces.

Talk to Ashley about her grandfather, some time. She describes that the marines were engaging in guerrilla tactics until they were starved out by the Turians.

Note that most war movies actually have far fewer than 623 casualties on the protagonist's side. Usually, there are fewer than a dozen deaths of notable characters. Excepting the Normandy scene, Saving Private Ryan only had a few allied soldiers die. In fact, most of the movie was a squad of less than 10 (I forget the exact number off the top of my head) just traveling, not even fighting.

There is no reason that a FCW movie could not simply follow a squad of Alliance marines as they evade Turian patrols until they are forced to surrender, when the Alliance Fleet arrives to liberate them in a quick, but decisive battle.

Except that's not what happened. After they surrendered, it was a whole month before 'rescue' showed up.

And I'm talking about casualties on a whole. More than 623 people died in World War II, I promise you that.

I mean, really, think about it from the perspective of someone making a movie - which sounds more profitable. A movie based on a small part of the lore that barely shows off what the franchise had to offer, based on a conflict that was started because of a small misunderstanding and ended in a non-climactic way...or a movie based on a soldier saving the universe from destruction by space cthulus. Which one of those two plots is going to get people in the seats faster?

Modifié par littlezack, 30 juillet 2011 - 09:01 .

[SandTrout]

M33T SH33LD wrote...

The problem with the FCW introducing new people to the galaxy is that humans know nothing about the other alien races till the very, very end. People would be watching movie about humans getting attacked by a hostile alien race with superior technology and the struggle between us.... and then all of the sudden in the last 10 minutes the movie opens the flood gates and introduces the entire rest of the galaxy. It would be overwhelming. Furthermore, the FCW does not deal with some of the larger themes that Mass Effect has, such as : Humanities struggle to find their place and earn respect (NOT just with the turians), the Batarian-Human duality, the Genophage, the Geth-Quarian relationship, the Protheans, etc.

All these are reasons that the FCW is a superior place for a movie. A movie watcher does not have the benefit of the Codex to explain all of these intricacies of the world that BioWare has crafted. Otherwise they would just come off as strange, especially concepts like why diplomatic relations between Turians and Humans are as tense as they are, or the history of Humans and Batarians.

These are complex concepts that are difficult for movies to communicate, even if the game does a good job of it with resources like the Codex. Different media provide different capabilities We can still have tie-ins to the games with characters like Anderson, Hacket, TIM, and Saren without ever mentioning Shepard.

You can 'humanize' the Turians through POW scenes and/or scenes where the councilors are discussing the events surrounding first contact with our species.

[M33T SH33LD]

DarthSliver wrote...

I would than say Revelation would be the perfect source for a Mass Effect movie because its a prequel to ME1 and it has various alien species. The movie i would think would literally end with Saren looking at/over Sovereign i believe.

While I still think a brand new story would be best, I would agree that Revelations would make a much better movie than FCW.

And yes the Saren-Sovereign end scene would be perfect for setting people up to try the Mass Effect game series.

[Bshep2]

The movie is not intended for you. You are not the target crowd.
Therefore, your complaints are irrelevant.

The majority of the people who will watch this movie have not played either ME game, some may not have even heard of it prior to seeing the movie.

I'm having a horribly difficult time understanding why people complain about the movie. No one is forcing you to watch it and it's not going to have any effect on the game series.

[SandTrout]

@littlezack,

You are correct that someone that is completely unfamiliar with ME would think that they could make a better movie using the ME1 plot. Someone that is completely unfamiliar with the ME plot making the movie is something that I think we can all agree is a universally 'bad thing' that we should avoid, though.

Attempting to use the ME1 plot is too much immersion too quickly. People will be left wondering 'wtf' too often, and the movie will get bad reviews, resulting in poor performance and the box-office, resulting in little to no profit.

Meanwhile, a movie that essentially falls under the 'alien invasion' genre (which has proven profitable, in general) has about as much chance of a good initial showing as well as better potential for good word-of-mouth and reviews from critics, resulting in better overall box office performance, and therefore more profit.

Trust me when I say that I am definitely considering the business considerations here.

[Terror_K]

Bshep2 wrote...

The movie is not intended for you. You are not the target crowd.
Therefore, your complaints are irrelevant.

The majority of the people who will watch this movie have not played either ME game, some may not have even heard of it prior to seeing the movie.

I'm having a horribly difficult time understanding why people complain about the movie. No one is forcing you to watch it and it's not going to have any effect on the game series.

And I honestly have just as difficult a time understanding why people here actually support the notion that the movie is being made more for non Mass Effect fans than it is for the existing ones. Yes... getting in a bunch of new fans is all well and good, but shouldn't something based on a particular IP be made for the existing fans first and foremost? Shouldn't it be something that doesn't alienate the existing audience at the same time? This is the same mentality that results in most modern Hollywood dreck and things like Dragon Age 2 after all: when there's too much emphasis on appealing to the masses and not enough on making something for the fans who loved the thing already.

[SandTrout]

@Bshep2,

I am irritated because I will watch the movie if I have reason to believe that it will be good, and wider fame for the ME IP will result in more ME content, which means I get more of what I like.

What I am actually trying to achieve is to point out to BioWare (yes, they do read these forums) why it is a mistake to attempt to use ME1's plot for the movie. I am attempting to enhance my point my doing some of the work and pointing out possible plot-points that could be used successfully to make the first good movie based off of a video game IP.

[M33T SH33LD]

SandTrout wrote...

All these are reasons that the FCW is a superior place for a movie. A movie watcher does not have the benefit of the Codex to explain all of these intricacies of the world that BioWare has crafted. Otherwise they would just come off as strange, especially concepts like why diplomatic relations between Turians and Humans are as tense as they are, or the history of Humans and Batarians.

These are complex concepts that are difficult for movies to communicate, even if the game does a good job of it with resources like the Codex. Different media provide different capabilities We can still have tie-ins to the games with characters like Anderson, Hacket, TIM, and Saren without ever mentioning Shepard.

You can 'humanize' the Turians through POW scenes and/or scenes where the councilors are discussing the events surrounding first contact with our species.

This is correct, it would be impossible to explain the details of the Mass Effect universe to codex level.  However, the movie would't need to.  An audience doesn' t have to know the backstory of every alien race to experience the wonder that a space-opera setting such as Mass Effect can provide.  One or two themes could be chosen as the basis of the story and only those would be described in great detail. Take Star Trek or Star Wars as examples of other giant space-opera's... in the movies they don't describe every alien or story element to great detail.  That doesn't mean that it's better to simplify by taking out huge portions of the IP in order to better explain fewer things in greater detail.  Who wants to watch Star Wars without all the aliens and instead get into the nitty gritty details behind the Rebel vs. Empire?

I stress that ME is a space-opera and that it needs to be shown as one in a movie.  Using the FCW as a story source would severly limit the scope of ME and would not be accurate as to what the IP truly is.

[Inspectre]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

2. A movie that features Shepard and the events of the games, completely contradicts the whole theme of the Mass Effect Series. The series is about choice and how you the player make the story progress. There is no official canon and there never can be because everyone's playthrough is different. You could say the movie is just another take on the story but it's not that simple. The majority of people are gonna take it as canon. A movie about Shepard and the events of the first game will actually do harm to the game.

I'm with you, op.  

In my opinion, Mass Effect's story is mediocre at best.  The choices are the only thing this game has going for itself.  The story rips off too many contemporary sci-fies(Battlestar Galactica, notably)...

[Uzrbital]

I was hoping for a prequel. Like when the humans discovered the prothean ruins on Mars. Then discovered the mass relays and blablabla.

[littlezack]

SandTrout wrote...

@littlezack,

You are correct that someone that is completely unfamiliar with ME would think that they could make a better movie using the ME1 plot. Someone that is completely unfamiliar with the ME plot making the movie is something that I think we can all agree is a universally 'bad thing' that we should avoid, though.

Attempting to use the ME1 plot is too much immersion too quickly. People will be left wondering 'wtf' too often, and the movie will get bad reviews, resulting in poor performance and the box-office, resulting in little to no profit.

That's assuming that everything about the Mass Effect universe has to be explained. Take Star Wars, for example. If you dig deep enough, there's plenty of history and backstory and interesting subplots and whatnot...but none of it is required reading in order for you to enjoy the A New Hope. A Mass Effect movie doesn't have to show and explain everything about ME. It doesn't have to explain why Asari are only one sex or Quarians are in spacesuits all the time anymore than Star Wars has to explain why Chewy only talks in grunts or how lightsabers work.

[SandTrout]

Star Wars was also a story made for the movies to start with. Its story has an intentionally limited cast of significant characters, as well as plot event built into the story to communicate relevant themes along the way.

ME1's plot does not involve the necessary plot elements that would allow for the smooth application of relevant plot devices to communicate the relevant themes.

Using the FCW as a story source would severly limit the scope of ME and would not be accurate as to what the IP truly is.

What is the IP, truly, though? It is a Sci-Fi/Space Opera story that has a believable sociopolitical makeup. The FCW context has plenty of opportunities to explore the interplay between the Salarians, Turians, and Asari.

[M33T SH33LD]

Bshep2 wrote...

The movie is not intended for you. You are not the target crowd.
Therefore, your complaints are irrelevant.

The majority of the people who will watch this movie have not played either ME game, some may not have even heard of it prior to seeing the movie.

I'm having a horribly difficult time understanding why people complain about the movie. No one is forcing you to watch it and it's not going to have any effect on the game series.

The thing is, Bshep2, people who have never heard of ME aren't going to care whether the movie is about ME1 or the touching story of an orphaned Volus.  They are the target because Bioware wants to make them care (and wants them to open up their wallets).  Trout is absolutely right.... we on these forums are the people who care, so we are going to be the ones that watch the development of this movie with utmost scrutiny.

[littlezack]

Terror_K wrote...

Bshep2 wrote...

The movie is not intended for you. You are not the target crowd.
Therefore, your complaints are irrelevant.

The majority of the people who will watch this movie have not played either ME game, some may not have even heard of it prior to seeing the movie.

I'm having a horribly difficult time understanding why people complain about the movie. No one is forcing you to watch it and it's not going to have any effect on the game series.

And I honestly have just as difficult a time understanding why people here actually support the notion that the movie is being made more for non Mass Effect fans than it is for the existing ones. Yes... getting in a bunch of new fans is all well and good, but shouldn't something based on a particular IP be made for the existing fans first and foremost? Shouldn't it be something that doesn't alienate the existing audience at the same time? This is the same mentality that results in most modern Hollywood dreck and things like Dragon Age 2 after all: when there's too much emphasis on appealing to the masses and not enough on making something for the fans who loved the thing already.

Please, I beg you, can you not turn this into another one of your 'DUMDED DOWN FOR THE MASSES' rants?