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[SandTrout]

That's assuming that everything about the Mass Effect universe has to be explained.

They do not necessary need to be explicitly explained, but there are certain things that do need to be communicated, which ME1's plot does not include a whole lot for. Examples include why isn't the Alliance playing nice with the Council? Star Wars had the whole Alderaan scene to communicate very clearly that the Empire is evil and to justify the existence of the Rebel Alliance, which would just look like anarchist punks otherwise. There is no equivalent in the ME1 storyline to explain the nature of the political rivalry between the Council and the Alliance, or specifically the Turians.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...
1. Why would we want to see a movie about a story we've played through god knows how many times? I assume most of us have made multiple playthroughs of ME1. Do we really need to see it again? Plus have no control of the choices and what Shepard is like? And that's my second problem.

For the same reason I go and see movies based on a book I already read?
Choices are irrlevenat - it's a movie, not a game. Who the hell goes into a movie expecting to be able to direct how it plays out?

2. A movie that features Shepard and the events of the games, completely contradicts the whole theme of the Mass Effect Series. The series is about choice and how you the player make the story progress. There is no official canon and there never can be because everyone's playthrough is different. You could say the movie is just another take on the story but it's not that simple. The majority of people are gonna take it as canon. A movie about Shepard and the events of the first game will actually do harm to the game.

What theme? Just because you convinced yourself that that is the theme, doens't make it so.
The series is about Sheppard and hte Me universe.
And who cares if some peoeple will consider the movie canon?

Since when is "some people will do X, which I do not like" a valid argument against a movie? A movie doesn't control the behavior of those people.

[littlezack]

SandTrout wrote...

That's assuming that everything about the Mass Effect universe has to be explained.

They do not necessary need to be explicitly explained, but there are certain things that do need to be communicated, which ME1's plot does not include a whole lot for. Examples include why isn't the Alliance playing nice with the Council? Star Wars had the whole Alderaan scene to communicate very clearly that the Empire is evil and to justify the existence of the Rebel Alliance, which would just look like anarchist punks otherwise. There is no equivalent in the ME1 storyline to explain the nature of the political rivalry between the Council and the Alliance, or specifically the Turians.

All it would take was a simple a conversation to cover the basics. It's not even a complex issue, really; the humans distrust the Turians because of the way they made first contact,the Turians see humans as rash and grubbing for too much power, too quickly. A five minute conversation with Garrus would cover the whole thing. And it's not like the Turian/Human rivalry is a big deal even in the first games; most of the Turians you meet are nice enough to you, with few exceptions.

Hell, they could cover it in a scene with Anderson discussing Saren's history, since his past is tied in with the FCW.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Lets see who plays Commander Shepard before we get all upset guys... lets have a good reason first. = P

[M33T SH33LD]

SandTrout wrote...

Star Wars was also a story made for the movies to start with. Its story has an intentionally limited cast of significant characters, as well as plot event built into the story to communicate relevant themes along the way.

ME1's plot does not involve the necessary plot elements that would allow for the smooth application of relevant plot devices to communicate the relevant themes.

Using the FCW as a story source would severly limit the scope of ME and would not be accurate as to what the IP truly is.

What is the IP, truly, though? It is a Sci-Fi/Space Opera story that has a believable sociopolitical makeup. The FCW context has plenty of opportunities to explore the interplay between the Salarians, Turians, and Asari.

First off I want to point out that I don't think ME1's plot should be used at all.  It's a terrible idea.

Mass Effect means many different things to many different people.  For me the highlight of ME is not based around the political or social aspects of the story but instead the exploration of an elaborate galaxy with many secrets to behold.  A war between only two species is too small of a picture.  I want a ME movie to take me to places I've never seen or heard of in the ME universe and tell me a fantastic story that I've never heard. 

On a side note, I believe that a FCW movie were created, it would not be able to explore the Salarians, Turians, and Asari because it would sadly be focused too much upon the Turian-Human struggle.  That's purely a suspicion, however.

Modifié par M33T SH33LD, 30 juillet 2011 - 09:41 .

[SandTrout]

@M33T SH33LD

Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

My vision of a ME movie is more like a 1.5-2 hour trailer to get people excited about the IP and thus spur more interest in its other aspects, without contradicting any of them. It needs to be a good movie in its own right, but should tie into the general mythos.

For the record, I would prefer your idea of a completely new plot string to a re-hash of ME1.

[M33T SH33LD]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Lets see who plays Commander Shepard before we get all upset guys... lets have a good reason first. = P

We're upset because there's a possibility that Shepard will be in this movie at all.  His face warrants a whole nother argument!  *shudders*

[Robhuzz]

Why should I be upset? I've always said to myself I wouldn't watch the movie if it were about Shepard. Apparently it is so I won't be watching it. Disappointed? Yes, because the ME universe is so expansive there's plenty of other things to make a movie about, such as the Krogan rebellions or Humanity leaves the Sol system, including discovery of eezo and first contact war and first human on the citadel?

But am I upset? No.

[Lotion Soronarr]

littlezack wrote...

I don't get why you think that. ME1 is a good story. Lots of action, interesting characters, great setup, great universe. It has all the elements that could make a good movie in the right hands. It's silly to think that a competent director couldn't make a good movie out of it, and saying 'all videogame movies suck' is a poor argument. As I said before, video game movies tend to suck because they're usually made by people who suck, and would turn out a poor product regardless of the source material. Uwe Bolls movies don't suck because they're based on videogames, they suck because HE SUCKS.

QFT.

[Lotion Soronarr]

SandTrout wrote...

Also, the things that made the game so good (Choices that define your character, multiple well developed characters, a nuanced plot, and a thoroughly crafted world) would be the first things cut from the movie by necessity. There are simply things that cannot be effectively communicated when working under the constraints of a 2-hour movie that needs to hold people's attention.

lol..what BS.

The only thinng that would be cut would be the choices.
Well crafted characters - nope, still there
Well crafteed wrold - nope, still there
Nuanced plot - nope, still there

You peepsicles should stop being so self-absorbed and possive of your little Sheppard.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 30 juillet 2011 - 09:50 .

[M33T SH33LD]

@SandTrout

As I would much rather have them create a FCW movie than one about ME1.

I simply can't understand why Bioware can't see what a terrible idea it is.

[SandTrout]

@Lotion Soronnar,

All of these things would be severely curtailed by time constraints and the necessary amount of action sequences necessary to make the movie appealing to ME initiates who's first experience with the IP is the movie.

[littlezack]

But lots of movies manage to have all those elements and still maintain a fair bit of action. Will it be as extensive as the games? Of course not. Does that mean it can't have enough of those elements to appeal to an audience and be good? No.

[SilentNukee]

It's just silly they're basing it off the first game. Why couldn't they do something we haven't experienced yet so there won't be ****ing? Like the First Contact War? Now, that's something that would be fantastic!

[Lotion Soronarr]

SandTrout wrote...

@Lotion Soronnar,

All of these things would be severely curtailed by time constraints and the necessary amount of action sequences necessary to make the movie appealing to ME initiates who's first experience with the IP is the movie.

Beh. The ME1's plot is actually pretty short when you think about it.

90% of the game is running down corridors/paths as shooting.
You can fit everything necessary in a 2 - 2.5 hour movie.

[Praetor Knight]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Lets see who plays Commander Shepard before we get all upset guys... lets have a good reason first. = P

Indeed.

[SandTrout]

@Lotion Soronnar

I have already laid out all my arguments with how condensing the ME1 plot is a bad idea, so if you aren't convinced, then we will need to wait until the movie is released to see who is correct.

[LGTX]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

1. Why would we want to see a movie about a story we've played through god knows how many times? 

2. A movie that features Shepard and the events of the games, completely contradicts the whole theme of the Mass Effect Series. The series is about choice and how you the player make the story progress. 

1. The reason it's made into a movie is to introduce it to people who haven't experienced the story. Bit selfish to assume everything Mass Effect should taylor to the original trilogy fans, isn't it?

2. Theme and Plot are different tings. A game may equally focus on gameplay and story, while a movie only focuses on the latter, it's just the way things are.

And Mass Effect is no epitome of branching story. Its plot is pretty straightforward.

[CroGamer002]

Is this confirmed?

I only saw IGN article about that and IGN is not credible in journalism.

[LGTX]

Mesina2 wrote...

Is this confirmed?

I only saw IGN article about that and IGN is not credible in journalism.

Casey and Protosevich mumbled something about focusing on the first game, nothing was said for sure. They don't even have a script as far as I know.

[CroGamer002]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

@Lotion Soronnar,

All of these things would be severely curtailed by time constraints and the necessary amount of action sequences necessary to make the movie appealing to ME initiates who's first experience with the IP is the movie.

Beh. The ME1's plot is actually pretty short when you think about it.

90% of the game is running down corridors/paths as shooting.
You can fit everything necessary in a 2 - 2.5 hour movie.

Wrong.
Without skipping dialogues it takes you 12-15 hours to beat ME1 with no side quests.

And there were many attempts from fans to make Mass Effect movieusing  and best one out there took over 4 hours.

[Tommy6860]

Well, you're basing your thoughts on *your* experiences with the game's storyline. Keep in mind, the majority of the movie-goers will not have played ME* or don't play games, so they don't know ME canon. I actually have no problem with it really because moovie don't play out liek games do anyway. IF they ultimately don't base it off any of the game series, I at least hope they have Liara facsimiles in the movie  .

[Praetor Knight]

Mesina2 wrote...

Is this confirmed?

I only saw IGN article about that and IGN is not credible in journalism.

I'd guess this came from Comic Con speculation. At least that's from the link on OP.

I didn't watch that part on Bioware TV myself, so not entirely sure.

[CroGamer002]

littlezack wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

Bshep2 wrote...

The movie is not intended for you. You are not the target crowd.
Therefore, your complaints are irrelevant.

The majority of the people who will watch this movie have not played either ME game, some may not have even heard of it prior to seeing the movie.

I'm having a horribly difficult time understanding why people complain about the movie. No one is forcing you to watch it and it's not going to have any effect on the game series.

And I honestly have just as difficult a time understanding why people here actually support the notion that the movie is being made more for non Mass Effect fans than it is for the existing ones. Yes... getting in a bunch of new fans is all well and good, but shouldn't something based on a particular IP be made for the existing fans first and foremost? Shouldn't it be something that doesn't alienate the existing audience at the same time? This is the same mentality that results in most modern Hollywood dreck and things like Dragon Age 2 after all: when there's too much emphasis on appealing to the masses and not enough on making something for the fans who loved the thing already.

Please, I beg you, can you not turn this into another one of your 'DUMDED DOWN FOR THE MASSES' rants?

Considering that most movies based on games sucked hard and mainly do to not going with the game core, I have to agree with Terror_K here.

[littlezack]

Every bad videogame movie I've seen would have been a bad movie if the videogame in question never existed. Going or not going with the 'game core' isn't their main problem. When I saw Max Payne, I didn't think 'Man, the acting is terrible, the slo-mo shots are annoying, but if they'd just gone with the game's plot and stuck to that, it would be so much better!'