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[upsettingshorts]

The only thing DA ought to seriously consider taking from TW2 is the attention to detail when it comes to the setting and atmosphere - something they've said they deliberately went away from with DA2 (what with the so-called pointless books in the library).

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 02 août 2011 - 07:19 .

[bleetman]

I'm always somewhat confused whenever people bring up combat tactics in Dragon Age: Origins as if they were actually any good. Was I playing a different game? I seem to remember plowing through virtually every fight by setting up a storm of the century and waiting for everything to die. Maybe lining up a sequence of cone of colds if I was feeling adventurous. Or, those times I played a melee character, putting on a fire damage mage buff and auto attacking everything to death, because using abilities lowered your overall damage output.

RageGT wrote...

And here's another thing DA3 might learn from TW2. This is how you write gay characters!

*snipped, because neither of these are worth repeating any further*

I was wondering how long it would take for the bi-sexuality of the characters in DA2 to turn up. How fortunate that whenever I forget how bi-sexual people are supposed to act, I can return here and be helpfully reminded of the correct etiquette. I can't say I've ever acted as fitting TW2's apparent portrayal of 'accurate homosexuals'. I'm such a lousy person.

Modifié par bleetman, 02 août 2011 - 07:20 .

[Gavinthelocust]

Nay.

Modifié par Gavinthelocust, 02 août 2011 - 07:22 .

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

Erani wrote...

Like the Witcher eh?...one protagonist (male)....no companions---->no romance/friendship.

.........the BSN would explode...................:lol:

No.

You forgot "exclusively heterosexual".  Kersplodey.

[upsettingshorts]

And exclusively boring. But that might be just me. Not to put down CDPR - they did a fine job - they're burdened by boring source material.

/expects to be attacked by Poland any second now
//full disclosure: I have not read the source material, the games themselves bore me however

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 02 août 2011 - 07:29 .

[Mr.House]

jlb524 wrote...

RageGT wrote...

And here's another thing DA3 might learn from TW2. This is how you write gay characters!

The Witcher 2 - Uncle Roche meets Uncle Dethmold

The Witcher 2 - Bad Bad Witch

That looks like a load of fail to me.

It's TW2, of course it's fail.

[Atakuma]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

And exclusively boring. But that might be just me. Not to put down CDPR - they did a fine job - they're burdened by boring source material.

/expects to be attacked by Poland any second now

I'm glad i'm not alone in thinking that. Hell, Geralt doesn't even seem to find the story very interesting.

Modifié par Atakuma, 02 août 2011 - 07:36 .

[John Epler]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

And exclusively boring. But that might be just me. Not to put down CDPR - they did a fine job - they're burdened by boring source material.

/expects to be attacked by Poland any second now
//full disclosure: I have not read the source material, the games themselves bore me however

You'll be receiving a rather strongly written letter from my ancestral home within four to six weeks.

As well as some chrusciki.

Our greatest weapon is ambiguity.

Modifié par JohnEpler, 02 août 2011 - 07:34 .

[Brockololly]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

The only thing DA ought to seriously consider taking from TW2 is the attention to detail when it comes to the setting and atmosphere - something they've said they deliberately went away from with DA2 (what with the so-called pointless books in the library).

And weapons that actually look like they were designed for human hands and not those of a giant. And bowstrings. And weapons that don't float and are actually sheathed.

And a decent day/night + weather cycle. And fairly open levels that aren't long corridors. And decent lighting. And actually visually interesting backdrops which give a sense of scale to levels.

[mesmerizedish]

I thought TW2 had incredibly boring weapon art. Giant hilts aside, DAII looks cool :/

[upsettingshorts]

Brockololly wrote...

And weapons that actually look like they were designed for human hands and not those of a giant. And bowstrings. And weapons that don't float and are actually sheathed.

I'd co-sign all of this.  That said, I think Mount and Blade has the best weapons because they're basically just copies of real ones.

But seriously.  The bolded part.  For the love of God, BioWare.  What you've got now is barely a step up from KOTOR1's always-holding-weapons-in-hands.

The rest of what you'd list I'd consider already covered by my original post.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 02 août 2011 - 07:40 .

[TEWR]

I decree that if Bioware ever makes the DA series a Witcher rip-off, they shall receive....



a boot to the head.

[upsettingshorts]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I decree that if Bioware ever makes the DA series a Witcher rip-off, they shall receive....

The combat of The Witcher 2 was already a Jade Empire rip-off.

...all right it's not as if it's an exact copy but it's damn close.  Except Jade Empire's had a better learning curve and more complexity. 

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 02 août 2011 - 07:42 .

[Mr.House]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

I thought TW2 had incredibly boring weapon art. Giant hilts aside, DAII looks cool :/

This.

[Mr.House]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I decree that if Bioware ever makes the DA series a Witcher rip-off, they shall receive....

The combat of The Witcher 2 was already a Jade Empire rip-off.

Except less fun imo.

[DarkDragon777]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

I thought TW2 had incredibly boring weapon art. Giant hilts aside, DAII looks cool :/

So you think poorly designed 7-foot longswords and super bows are better than weapons that are somewhat realistic? 


Not implying realism is really necessary in DA, but weapons that don't look like they come from a super hero story would be quite nice.

Modifié par DarkDragon777, 02 août 2011 - 07:45 .

[Mr.House]

DarkDragon777 wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

I thought TW2 had incredibly boring weapon art. Giant hilts aside, DAII looks cool :/

So you think poorly designed 7-foot longswords and super bows are better than weapons that are somewhat realistic? 

Yes, that's really seven feet long

[grregg]

I think CD Projekt wisely steered away from BioWare-style games knowing that they will not be able to out-BioWare BioWare. And I think the converse holds too, BioWare trying to outdo The Witcher on its home field would probably be a bad idea.

[mesmerizedish]

DarkDragon777 wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

I thought TW2 had incredibly boring weapon art. Giant hilts aside, DAII looks cool :/

So you think poorly designed 7-foot longswords and super bows are better than weapons that are somewhat realistic?

None of the longswords were seven feet long. Not even the greatswords were. Nor would I say they're poorly designed. The ones imported from Origins are pretty ugly, but the ones thy designed new for DAII look great, I feel.

But all that aside, yes. They're much better than swords that look realistic. Because 'Shorts and I can't agree on everything realistic looking swords are boring and lame, and I don't want them in my Dragon Age.

[DarkDragon777]

Mr.House wrote...

DarkDragon777 wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

I thought TW2 had incredibly boring weapon art. Giant hilts aside, DAII looks cool :/

So you think poorly designed 7-foot longswords and super bows are better than weapons that are somewhat realistic? 

Yes, that's really seven feet long

Many of the weapons do look outrageously huge, just not that one.  


I'm not talking "hyper-realistic" here, just somewhat believeable. And "7 foot" was an exaggeration.

Modifié par DarkDragon777, 02 août 2011 - 07:51 .

[nitefyre410]

Mr.House wrote...

DarkDragon777 wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

I thought TW2 had incredibly boring weapon art. Giant hilts aside, DAII looks cool :/

So you think poorly designed 7-foot longswords and super bows are better than weapons that are somewhat realistic? 

Yes, that's really seven feet long

hmm that looks it could  be 3 to 4 feet long at best... don't see the squared blade design to often.   Nothing over flashly about it looks like a good sword a for you standard solider.

[Mr.House]

DarkDragon777 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

DarkDragon777 wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

I thought TW2 had incredibly boring weapon art. Giant hilts aside, DAII looks cool :/

So you think poorly designed 7-foot longswords and super bows are better than weapons that are somewhat realistic? 

Yes, that's really seven feet long

Many of the weapons do look outrageously huge, just not that one.  

Your thinking of two handed swords, not long swords. Get your swords right.

[DarkDragon777]

Mr.House wrote...

DarkDragon777 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

DarkDragon777 wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

I thought TW2 had incredibly boring weapon art. Giant hilts aside, DAII looks cool :/

So you think poorly designed 7-foot longswords and super bows are better than weapons that are somewhat realistic? 

Yes, that's really seven feet long

Many of the weapons do look outrageously huge, just not that one.  

Your thinking of two handed swords, not long swords. Get your swords right.

I'm talking about all weapons in general. I think all types of swords were ridiculously oversized.

[Oopsieoops]

The Earl Of Bronze wrote...

Oopsieoops wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

luki1234567 wrote...
combat was brilliant, required thinking and tactics but i guess it's too much for some poeple...
Yeah Hawke swinging his two hand sword with a light speed is faaaaaar better lol

How does making combat faster "dumb it down"? 

I don't think there ia actually one fight in the whole of dragon age 2 where i had to think tactically, evey fight is just a matter of running in and killing mobs, all you have to do is keep an eye on health

Explain to me a fight in Origins that differs in tactics than DA2. Seriously. The extent of tactics in either game was the ability to pause and set up.

Waves essentially kill any possibility of tactical combat since they render positioning null.

You just need to re-position your party, still tactical, you just can't fight a battle without having to move anybody. Saying something isn't tactical because you have to re-position/manouver is a silly thing to say.

It's not just a matter of repositioning, but of doing so constantly and randomly. There are about 3-5 waves per encounter, and everytime they appear (often at completely unreasonable and silly locations at that) the mess up completely any form of tactical forethought. And even if you argue that you could still play tactically in those conditions, there's the problem that ultimately metagaming is still the best approach in face of the waves. Instead of actually positioning on the battlefield it's nearly always better to just hold position at a corner, drawn out the enemy's attention, lure them towards the ambush and kill them, go back to trigger the respawn zone, and repeat. That's not really tactical nor challeging, let alone fun.