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[Sylvianus]

Ringo12 wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...
I saw many women in other forums say that they loved the witcher 2. Obviously the ability to play their gender would surely have been good for them, but they certainly have not seen this game as a game for " pure male ". etc etc.

And you know, you're on the internet. People feel obliged to talk about porn, to exaggerate. Do not pay too much attention.

It is a game mature which is not afraid to explore and do things as they wish, without unnecessary political considerations contradicting their imagination and their creativity. And that leaves not themself  intimidate by these  view, which are always ruin everything.

I hope this game will be released on Xbox 360. I want buy it. It looks mature, and great.

You know it's being developed for 360 and coming out in 2012?


One thing The Witcher has done better then Mass Effect or Dragon Age 2 is giving me a set protaginost that I like and care about and feel I'm actually in charge and no one kid yourself. Hawke and Shepard will always be Hawke and Shepard yes you may pick your class and physically change your looks but your playing a set character.

Geralt and the Nameless One are probably my favorite characters in rpgs ever and guess what I couldn't make them. Something Bioware could learn is how to make a set protaginost not feel so empty or stupid. Hawke really had nothing to do with the plot of DA2. You remove him or her and the story can still go on. You remove Geralt from Witcher and well there is no story it's about him. I find it funny probably the best Bioware game ever isn't about saving the world or anyone else it's about getting your soul back, Baldur's Gate 2, Knights of the Old Republic also. While kotor had us ultimately choosing to kill or help the Jedi it was about Revan.

Old Republic and Witcher 2 also both use amnesia. This cliche tool has let both of the games feel your in charge of the character your forced to use. Through Geralts amnesia you can make your decisions and later reflect on them in Witcher 1. Geralt helping elves rob a bank or siding with racist humans he reflects on these decisions he asks his friends who he was before he lost his memory. Yes Geralt is a set character but we can fill in the blanks that is not something we can do with Hawke.

And for people complaining about the nudity. You have liek 3 seconds of breast in your face at the beginning and it can be skipped and every other sex scene you have to actually go and look for it. Still it's handled far better then in any Bioware game. Not just the sex mind you but also the romance. Shani, Triss and Ves are much better than Merrill, Alistir, Morrigan or Isabella and Zevran. I also don't get how people can **** about Witcher 2 and it's language when Isabella is such a ****. At least Zevran had a interesting back story and was raised by ****s and then sold at some point so him I can understand. But Isabella is so blatanly obivous about it and not interesting and yet people give her a pass.

Mr.House wrote...

meteorswarm wrote...

DAO is awesome,the witcher 2 too,maybe I'm wrong.But James Ohlen or Brent Knowles will return DA team from TOR team I really wish so.Mike Laidlaw is so sick.

TW2 and DAO have nothing in common, nothing at all. Also

I don't know the only difference I see is the combat style and different stories that's about the only real difference. Both games are rpgs. Both games play very similar just the combat is different so I will never understand how they have nothing in common. While else would people keep comparing the two? Now if you said Skyrim and Dragon Age have nothing in common I can agree. One is an open world sandbox and the other is a cliche story with some great characters and different style of combat.

Thank you for this description. It makes me even more desire to play it. All I knew for the release of The Witcher 2 is that it was uncertain. If eventually he will come out on this platform in 2012, it would be great.

So in 2012,  Mass Effect 3 and The Witcher 2. My god... How could I revise my exams after ?

[Spawny]

meteorswarm wrote...

Some deeply storytelling,one protagonist ,no companions and no teammates .The third person visual  is nearly the witcher 2 of course,better with the first person visual if it has.

Is this trolling? sometimes I get confused :| wouldn't you go play The Witcher if that's the sort of game you wanted to play?

[Bryy_Miller]

luki1234567 wrote...

Ok end this. speed of the attack in both games is not realistic.

Normally we make threads expecting discussion.

[drunk_monk]

The witcher Is over-rated

[AloraKast]

Ringo12 wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...
I saw many women in other forums say that they loved the witcher 2. Obviously the ability to play their gender would surely have been good for them, but they certainly have not seen this game as a game for " pure male ". etc etc.

And you know, you're on the internet. People feel obliged to talk about porn, to exaggerate. Do not pay too much attention.

It is a game mature which is not afraid to explore and do things as they wish, without unnecessary political considerations contradicting their imagination and their creativity. And that leaves not themself  intimidate by these  view, which are always ruin everything.

I hope this game will be released on Xbox 360. I want buy it. It looks mature, and great.

You know it's being developed for 360 and coming out in 2012?

One thing The Witcher has done better then Mass Effect or Dragon Age 2 is giving me a set protaginost that I like and care about and feel I'm actually in charge and no one kid yourself. Hawke and Shepard will always be Hawke and Shepard yes you may pick your class and physically change your looks but your playing a set character.

Geralt and the Nameless One are probably my favorite characters in rpgs ever and guess what I couldn't make them. Something Bioware could learn is how to make a set protaginost not feel so empty or stupid. Hawke really had nothing to do with the plot of DA2. You remove him or her and the story can still go on. You remove Geralt from Witcher and well there is no story it's about him. I find it funny probably the best Bioware game ever isn't about saving the world or anyone else it's about getting your soul back, Baldur's Gate 2, Knights of the Old Republic also. While kotor had us ultimately choosing to kill or help the Jedi it was about Revan.

Old Republic and Witcher 2 also both use amnesia. This cliche tool has let both of the games feel your in charge of the character your forced to use. Through Geralts amnesia you can make your decisions and later reflect on them in Witcher 1. Geralt helping elves rob a bank or siding with racist humans he reflects on these decisions he asks his friends who he was before he lost his memory. Yes Geralt is a set character but we can fill in the blanks that is not something we can do with Hawke.

And for people complaining about the nudity. You have liek 3 seconds of breast in your face at the beginning and it can be skipped and every other sex scene you have to actually go and look for it. Still it's handled far better then in any Bioware game. Not just the sex mind you but also the romance. Shani, Triss and Ves are much better than Merrill, Alistir, Morrigan or Isabella and Zevran. I also don't get how people can **** about Witcher 2 and it's language when Isabella is such a ****. At least Zevran had a interesting back story and was raised by ****s and then sold at some point so him I can understand. But Isabella is so blatanly obivous about it and not interesting and yet people give her a pass.

Ringo, you nailed it perfectly! Both with respect to the set protagonist that you care about and form a strong attachment to, as well as with respect to the nudity and sexuality aspect.

You know, when it comes to nudity and sexuality, I find that that's yet another aspect that TW2 handled very well; they did it in a mature way but IMO it wasn't explicit but was done rather beautifully. The Rose of Rememberance scene is one of the most beautiful and magical scenes I ever saw. The other encounters have been handled and rendered very well too. And it's simply a part of the game, you may skip it or not pursue the nudity and sexual content, if that is your wish, but it's also there to add to the realism of the world you find yourself in. The game is labeled as having strong sexual content but again IMO it's not explicit. The camera angles and scenes themselves make sure of that. And besides, in this one aspect I find the straight guys get the better end of the stick... even immediately after the encounter with Ves, Geralt somehow get his underpants on. *sigh*

But seriously, I do find that this aspect was handled in a very mature and beautiful yet not explicit way. And I would love to see something like this in a Bioware game, perhaps even DA3. Being able to share something that beautiful with a companion I have formed a strong bond with and have romantic interests in... that would be a truly amazing experience which would only strenghten my personal connection to the characters... and the game.

As it is, for now I have to make due with explicit and not entirely polished mods for DA:O... some of which help create that beautiful experience and atmosphere, don't get me wrong, the people who take the time to create them are very talented... but imagine how much more amazing and wonderful these stolen moments would be where they tackled by the makes of the game themselves!

[Montana]

I actually think that the set protagonist is TWs biggest weakness.
If I could play as A witcher (not neccesarily Geralt) the game would have been more enjoyable to me.

I think it could have been easily done, Geralt is defined by him being a witcher, having memory loss and the people he knows. The story would have worked just as well with any witcher, male/female, human/elf/dwarf (can elves/dwarves become witchers?).

TW2 had an amazing story, but in my opinion Geralt doesn't need to be Geralt for the story to be great.

Edit: And TW was actually Mature, not "PG13-mature" like so many other M-rated games. The world felt dirty, harsh, realistic and completely wonderful!

Modifié par Tony77A, 03 août 2011 - 02:10 .

[luki1234567]

drunk_monk wrote...

The witcher Is over-rated

In Your opnion. that you think so does not make it overrated

Modifié par luki1234567, 03 août 2011 - 05:09 .

[Rafficus III]

Keep the Witcher out. This is Dragon Age, if I wanted Witcher I would play Witcher. And if I'm not playing Witcher that must mean I really do not think it is extraordinarily spectacular. I'm sure Witcher 2 is a great game, but DA is where I go to get my D&D fix and I wouldn't have it any other way.

[Chromie]

hornedfrog87 wrote...DA is where I go to get my D&D fix and I wouldn't have it any other way.

Ha Dragon Age isn't based on a D&D ruleset.

AloraKast wrote...
You know, when it comes to nudity and sexuality, I find that that's yet another aspect that TW2 handled very well; they did it in a mature way but IMO it wasn't explicit but was done rather beautifully. The Rose of Rememberance scene is one of the most beautiful and magical scenes I ever saw.

But seriously, I do find that this aspect was handled in a very mature and beautiful yet not explicit way. And I would love to see something like this in a Bioware game, perhaps even DA3. Being able to share something that beautiful with a companion I have formed a strong bond with and have romantic interests in... that would be a truly amazing experience which would only strenghten my personal connection to the characters... and the game.

Also I'd like to mention how people are quick to defend sex in movies and television but when a game tries it people bash it. Game of Thrones anyone? In Game of Thrones some of the sex scenes you find out about the characters on a more initmiate level. Jamie lanister while he is having incentous sex with his sister we see he is ready to do whatever it takes to keep her to himself. Viserys we hear about his time at the Red Keep when he was young and how it makes him sad and you can hear the anger in him when he thinks about it. Tyrion sleeps around but everytime he does we learn more and more to the point where we hear about his first marriage and what happened to it.

Geralt and Triss are lovers. During the rose of rememberance scene they have a conversation about why he is on his quest to catch the kingslayer and does it matter to him and if he wants to just give it up and leave with Triss. We also get to find out how to use a rose of rememberance to regain his lost memories which would could also make Geralt possibly stop seeing Triss romantically because of his love for a women, Yennefer who Triss is very loyal to.

Geralt and Ves. After a tournament you can go back for drinks and she starts talking about why she joined the Temerian Blue Stripes. She respects Vernon Roche and loves her friends but she also is quick to remind Geralt that because she is always in the company of men doesn't make her less of woman. Ves also likes Geralt because he treats her as an equal and not just some woman. He didn't take it easy on her in the tournament and well that was a turnon for her.

Just because the sex scenes are well explicit by game standards doesn't mean they are all gratuitous.

Modifié par Ringo12, 03 août 2011 - 05:55 .

[The Earl Of Bronze]

Oopsieoops wrote...

The Earl Of Bronze wrote...

Oopsieoops wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

luki1234567 wrote...
combat was brilliant, required thinking and tactics but i guess it's too much for some poeple...
Yeah Hawke swinging his two hand sword with a light speed is faaaaaar better lol

How does making combat faster "dumb it down"? 

I don't think there ia actually one fight in the whole of dragon age 2 where i had to think tactically, evey fight is just a matter of running in and killing mobs, all you have to do is keep an eye on health

Explain to me a fight in Origins that differs in tactics than DA2. Seriously. The extent of tactics in either game was the ability to pause and set up.

Waves essentially kill any possibility of tactical combat since they render positioning null.

You just need to re-position your party, still tactical, you just can't fight a battle without having to move anybody. Saying something isn't tactical because you have to re-position/manouver is a silly thing to say.

It's not just a matter of repositioning, but of doing so constantly and randomly. There are about 3-5 waves per encounter, and everytime they appear (often at completely unreasonable and silly locations at that) the mess up completely any form of tactical forethought. And even if you argue that you could still play tactically in those conditions, there's the problem that ultimately metagaming is still the best approach in face of the waves. Instead of actually positioning on the battlefield it's nearly always better to just hold position at a corner, drawn out the enemy's attention, lure them towards the ambush and kill them, go back to trigger the respawn zone, and repeat. That's not really tactical nor challeging, let alone fun.  

That strategy is not necessary in any of the fights in DA2, but it could still be called a tactic.

[The Earl Of Bronze]

luki1234567 wrote...

drunk_monk wrote...

The witcher Is over-rated

In Your opnion. that you think so does not make it overrated

In your opinion.

[luki1234567]

The Earl Of Bronze wrote...

luki1234567 wrote...

drunk_monk wrote...

The witcher Is over-rated

In Your opnion. that you think so does not make it overrated

In your opinion.

Why did you response to this? srsly
His opinion or even yours or mine does not make sth a fact

Modifié par luki1234567, 03 août 2011 - 07:32 .

[Zanallen]

luki1234567 wrote...

The Earl Of Bronze wrote...

luki1234567 wrote...

drunk_monk wrote...

The witcher Is over-rated

In Your opnion. that you think so does not make it overrated

In your opinion.

Why did you response to this? srsly
His opinion or even yours or mine does not make sth a fact

In your opinion.

[luki1234567]

I guess you can only use this 3 words. very clever

[DragonRageGT]

luki1234567 wrote...

The Earl Of Bronze wrote...

luki1234567 wrote...

drunk_monk wrote...

The witcher Is over-rated

In Your opnion. that you think so does not make it overrated

In your opinion.

Why did you response to this? srsly
His opinion or even yours or mine does not make sth a fact

Yeah, over-rated, like, 99% of players give it a 9/10. While the other game 2 has 99% of the players giving it a 6 ot 7/10. Of course the 4/10 we see somewhere is not realistic. It's not that bad of a game, just a bad game if compared to the first instalment of the series. Hopefully the third one will be way better than the second.

[DragonRageGT]

Ringo12 wrote...

hornedfrog87 wrote...DA is where I go to get my D&D fix and I wouldn't have it any other way.

Ha Dragon Age isn't based on a D&D ruleset.

AloraKast wrote...
You know, when it comes to nudity and sexuality, I find that that's yet another aspect that TW2 handled very well; they did it in a mature way but IMO it wasn't explicit but was done rather beautifully. The Rose of Rememberance scene is one of the most beautiful and magical scenes I ever saw.

But seriously, I do find that this aspect was handled in a very mature and beautiful yet not explicit way. And I would love to see something like this in a Bioware game, perhaps even DA3. Being able to share something that beautiful with a companion I have formed a strong bond with and have romantic interests in... that would be a truly amazing experience which would only strenghten my personal connection to the characters... and the game.

Also I'd like to mention how people are quick to defend sex in movies and television but when a game tries it people bash it. Game of Thrones anyone? In Game of Thrones some of the sex scenes you find out about the characters on a more initmiate level. Jamie lanister while he is having incentous sex with his sister we see he is ready to do whatever it takes to keep her to himself. Viserys we hear about his time at the Red Keep when he was young and how it makes him sad and you can hear the anger in him when he thinks about it. Tyrion sleeps around but everytime he does we learn more and more to the point where we hear about his first marriage and what happened to it.

Geralt and Triss are lovers. During the rose of rememberance scene they have a conversation about why he is on his quest to catch the kingslayer and does it matter to him and if he wants to just give it up and leave with Triss. We also get to find out how to use a rose of rememberance to regain his lost memories which would could also make Geralt possibly stop seeing Triss romantically because of his love for a women, Yennefer who Triss is very loyal to.

Geralt and Ves. After a tournament you can go back for drinks and she starts talking about why she joined the Temerian Blue Stripes. She respects Vernon Roche and loves her friends but she also is quick to remind Geralt that because she is always in the company of men doesn't make her less of woman. Ves also likes Geralt because he treats her as an equal and not just some woman. He didn't take it easy on her in the tournament and well that was a turnon for her.

Just because the sex scenes are well explicit by game standards doesn't mean they are all gratuitous.

But it is a computer game made by Polish computer game fans, as they said themselves. And as such it has some hilarious moments too. The hoofs on the shoulder is priceless!



The Witcher 2 - Succubus

[KalDurenik]

No Bioware should stick to... Well what they once knew.

[Uccio]

hornedfrog87 wrote...

Keep the Witcher out. This is Dragon Age, if I wanted Witcher I would play Witcher. And if I'm not playing Witcher that must mean I really do not think it is extraordinarily spectacular. I'm sure Witcher 2 is a great game, but DA is where I go to get my D&D fix and I wouldn't have it any other way.

Just out of curiosity, have you played TW2? It is indeed a spectacular game.

[Lintanis]

If the Witcher ever came out on the PS3 I might be able to compare them 

[Sir Edric]

No, DA to doesn't have to change. It can learn from TW2 certainly, but becoming any thing like The Witcher.

[nitefyre410]

Ukki wrote...

hornedfrog87 wrote...

Keep the Witcher out. This is Dragon Age, if I wanted Witcher I would play Witcher. And if I'm not playing Witcher that must mean I really do not think it is extraordinarily spectacular. I'm sure Witcher 2 is a great game, but DA is where I go to get my D&D fix and I wouldn't have it any other way.

Just out of curiosity, have you played TW2? It is indeed a spectacular game.

Yes  he knows that but what  he does not want is  DA to become a Witcher clone...which alot of people seem to want. Which in a amazing twist of Irony  alot of people  thought would happen when EA and Bioware  signed their deal. 

"Oh  know  DA is never going to orginal..." 

"I want DA  to be like the Witcher now because  The Witcher  is great."   


I for one much rather have Bioware suffer all this  bad feed back and "Outrage". Make a game that can stand on its own two feet with be coming  a clone of another game  just becasue that game was great. 

 

[tmp7704]

nitefyre410 wrote...

If that - how do we know that metal  in Thedas  that   the swords are made of have the same properties as the metal our  great swords are made out of.... Can someone give me the average  density of piece of Silverite or Dragonbone. 

Both silverite and dragonbone weapons and armours require more strength from the user than iron and steel equipment in order to be used, despite virtually identical dimensions and shape. This would imply they're relatively heavier than these basic metals/alloys.

Modifié par tmp7704, 03 août 2011 - 01:04 .

[DragonRageGT]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Yes  he knows that but what  he does not want is  DA to become a Witcher clone...which alot of people seem to want. Which in a amazing twist of Irony  alot of people  thought would happen when EA and Bioware  signed their deal. 

"Oh  know  DA is never going to orginal..." 

"I want DA  to be like the Witcher now because  The Witcher  is great."   

I for one much rather have Bioware suffer all this  bad feed back and "Outrage". Make a game that can stand on its own two feet with be coming  a clone of another game  just becasue that game was great. 

 

Can you quote a post, any post, that has such statement as you claim? The most devoted fan of The Witcher would never say such a thing. If you read all the posts in this thread you will not find it. And DA can be the "spiritual sucessor" of one game but not of any other? Because DA2 certainly is not the spiritual sucessor of Origins.

TW2 definitely is a milestone and a genre redefining game but no one will ever come close to the Poles in doing it. So no one will ever suggest a clone. What can be cloned from it, for sure, is: Take your time to develop and give the same love to the details and to the world as Origins did and don't rush a half-finished, lazy designed, lazy developed, dumbed down, hand helding, spoon feeding, instant gratifying, buttonawesome, with no real consequences for your choices, alpha stage with half content game.

Unless you think this is it:

Brockololly wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

The only thing DA ought to seriously consider taking from TW2 is the attention to detail when it comes to the setting and atmosphere - something they've said they deliberately went away from with DA2 (what with the so-called pointless books in the library).

And weapons that actually look like they were designed for human hands and not those of a giant. And bowstrings. And weapons that don't float and are actually sheathed.

And a decent day/night + weather cycle. And fairly open levels that aren't long corridors. And decent lighting. And actually visually interesting backdrops which give a sense of scale to levels.

Captain Sassy Pants wrote...

RageGT wrote...

If by that you mean, amazing graphics, mechanics, a real dark and mature game for adults, filled with really meaningful choices, clever humor, amazingly intrinsic politics, no hands holding, punitive of stupidity, no button awesome - at least until adrenaline bar is filled =) - a game which treats gamers at least as half intelligent beings who knows how to read...

All that combined with BioWare usual party-based combat and customizable protagonists (with all different races too) is certainly a winner.

This sounds good to me.

[nitefyre410]

RageGT wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Yes  he knows that but what  he does not want is  DA to become a Witcher clone...which alot of people seem to want. Which in a amazing twist of Irony  alot of people  thought would happen when EA and Bioware  signed their deal. 

"Oh  know  DA is never going to orginal..." 

"I want DA  to be like the Witcher now because  The Witcher  is great."   

I for one much rather have Bioware suffer all this  bad feed back and "Outrage". Make a game that can stand on its own two feet with be coming  a clone of another game  just becasue that game was great. 

 

Can you quote a post, any post, that has such statement as you claim? The most devoted fan of The Witcher would never say such a thing. If you read all the posts in this thread you will not find it. And DA can be the "spiritual sucessor" of one game but not of any other? Because DA2 certainly is not the spiritual sucessor of Origins.

TW2 definitely is a milestone and a genre redefining game but no one will ever come close to the Poles in doing it. So no one will ever suggest a clone. What can be cloned from it, for sure, is: Take your time to develop and give the same love to the details and to the world as Origins did and don't rush a half-finished, lazy designed, lazy developed, dumbed down, hand helding, spoon feeding, instant gratifying, buttonawesome, with no real consequences for your choices, alpha stage with half content game.

Unless you think this is it:

Yeah I can... the Title of the thread..   


DA 3  must become another  The Witcher.....