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[Sylvianus]

On console that is more than mediocre graphics. I find it ridiculous to have to necessarily play on pc for nice graphics. I am confident that The Witcher 2 will allow a credible design for the console as well. ( even if on pc, it will be always better )

Can I have pics ?

Is the ground is different from walls in the game?

Do you see the faces of the NPC in the streets of Kirkwall ?

The faces of the companions are more accurate ? Have a relief ?

Modifié par Sylvianus, 03 août 2011 - 07:02 .

[Mr.House]

[quote]Sylvianus wrote...

On console that is more than mediocre graphics. I find it ridiculous to have to necessarily play on pc for nice graphics. I am confident that The Witcher 2 will allow a credible design for the console as well. ( even if on pc, it will be always better )

Can I have pics ?

Is the ground is different from walls in the game?

Do you see the faces of the NPC in the streets of Kirkwall ?

The faces of the companions are more accurate ? Have a relief ?[/qoute]

Here's one pic.

Let me see if I have any more, this is also on high.

Modifié par Mr.House, 03 août 2011 - 07:18 .

[axl99]

In other news I don't think there might be another Witcher any time soon due to the fact a good chunk of the core team have been laid off and found work in other studios. Even if CDProjeckt recovers from their publisher fiasco in their console port, building a new team from the ground up is going to be painful if the most important people on the original team have left.

DA3 should be its own entity. If anything its game engine needs a serious overhaul.

[Sylvianus]

[quote]Mr.House wrote...

[quote]Sylvianus wrote...

On console that is more than mediocre graphics. I find it ridiculous to have to necessarily play on pc for nice graphics. I am confident that The Witcher 2 will allow a credible design for the console as well. ( even if on pc, it will be always better )

Can I have pics ?

Is the ground is different from walls in the game?

Do you see the faces of the NPC in the streets of Kirkwall ?

The faces of the companions are more accurate ? Have a relief ?[/qoute]

Here's one pic.

Let me see if I have any more, this is also on high.


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Thanks

[lolnoobs]

That looks amazing. One of the best looking games.

[KnightofPhoenix]

hoorayforicecream wrote...
But none of them actually react. As your complaint is with DA2, it ultimately doesn't matter. In my game, Geralt fought his way through a horde of armed guards and tried to proclaim his love for Triss at every opportunity, and he gets nary a flirt, a smile, or even a mention from her, even after rescuing her from her captors. Everyone in the game that mentions it thinks that Geralt and Triss are together except for Geralt and Triss. If Geralt says otherwise, it doesn't matter. If Geralt agrees, it doesn't matter. Triss treats Geralt like a sibling the entire time, except for the one scene, which just makes it even *more* jarring, due to how the rest of the "relationship" is handled. That's what grates on me, because I wanted Geralt to have a relationship, and everyone else in the game SAYS that Geralt has a relationship, but when I actually see the two of them together, there *is* no relationship past "friends and **** buddies that one time". 

They don't, just like they don't in DA2, but I do not base the game on that. I enjoy it for different reasons. They add to my enjoyement, but I do not base it on them.  

And I am not seeing them acting like siblings. I am really not. I do see and feel that they are a couple.
Not the most touching, or memorable romance. But I still felt it was a romance. I do see a relationship.
I do not need to see "I love you"s for that. But that ends up going to what and who Geralt is. Geralt beign explicitly in love just feels OOC for me.

So I think we reached an impass here. If the game failed to convey the relationship, it's certainly its failing. But it conveyed it to me just fine.

I don't think you read what I wrote. The choice of what Act 2 you play is the *only* real choice that matters in W2.

Yes, and it's the only game I played with at least one choice that matters such as this one. Which I think is pretty impressive.  
I found the other minor choices great too, lore and story wise, and much more interesting to me than all choices in DA2. But I never claimed they mattered that much.

I will say however that consequences are shown better. Flotsam can end up in a feast, or a progrom, that you actually see (and are not told about). The conference of Loc Muinne changes slightly depending on choices as well. They do not change the game or story in any substantial way (something I never claimed), but I found them interesting regardless. Sometimes, a choice restricts an option, for instance not giving Iorveth his sword doesn't allow you to sneak with him at the docks should you side with the Scoia'Tael.

Except it doesn't make a difference later on. I wasn't convinced that he made a genuine change, because as soon as I got to Act 3, he was the exact same Vernon Roche as he was in Act 1, regicide or no.

That is true.

I do not mind, because I feel that is compensated by the fact that he reacts to what is happening and shows us the different sides of who Roche is. And that the friendship between him and Geralt is growing.

Another example is Zoltan. Zoltan starts off as a melancholic mess in Act 1 and potentialy Act 2 on Roche path.
When he ends up in Vergen, he lightens up, becomes much more cheerful, and clearly shows that he found purpose. That he feels at home at last.  And that was integrated in the main story. 
It's things like that, that I miss in most bioware companions. That they do not really react to what's happening around them, but rather to what the PC tells them.
Which is why I feel TW2 characters are more "real".  Zoltan remains Zoltan, but he reacts to what is happening and that is shown (as opposed to the codices in DA2 that tells us how companions develop between acts). 

If the characters aren't relatable to me, I can't care about the setting. I'm perfectly willing to handwave away the setting if I can have a good character story. This is why I enjoyed the Matrix, but not its sequels.

Complete opposite mindset for me.

You can give me interesting, well acted / voiced character, and if you put them in a setting or story that ****** me off or doesn't interest me, I will most probably not care that much. Most likely outcome will be indifference (what I feel to all DA2 companions except 2). It's a testament to Varric and Aveline's characters that I actually managed to like them.

Which may explain why I do not care that much for say Harry Potter.

Of course both mindsets are perfectly valid

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 03 août 2011 - 07:39 .

[Mr.House]

There you go Sylvianus, if you want more, just let me know.

[luki1234567]

the charcter moddels ARE good but the environments but... wait what environments?

[Mr.House]

luki1234567 wrote...

the charcter moddels ARE good but the environments but... wait what environments?

This, Legacy did adress that issue and Bioware is looknig for level designers for DA3 so that's good news.  The only issue with the moddels is like the devs have two divisions, the good who make great faces and the ones who are drunk.

Modifié par Mr.House, 03 août 2011 - 07:42 .

[lolnoobs]

luki1234567 wrote...

the charcter moddels ARE good but the environments but... wait what environments?

Why would you even want that? It's the characters that are important. Bioware does not want you spending your time looking at bushes or trees.

[Sylvianus]

Mr.House wrote...







There you go Sylvianus, if you want more, just let me know.

Okay, no, that's enough. Thank you.

Indeed, it is much more beautiful ... Too bad for us console players. I hope that for DA3, we will have something, at least reasonable graphics.

[corkey sweet]

meteorswarm wrote...

Some deeply storytelling,one protagonist ,no companions and no teammates .The third person visual  is nearly the witcher 2 of course,better with the first person visual if it has.

i will be looking over critic reviews and customer reviews before i go out and get dragon age 3. i won't fall for another dragon age 2 in this lifetime, i promise you that!

[luki1234567]

lolnoobs wrote...

luki1234567 wrote...

the charcter moddels ARE good but the environments but... wait what environments?

Why would you even want that? It's the characters that are important. Bioware does not want you spending your time looking at bushes or trees.

for me environments are as important as charcter models (all made graphics) it's nice to have environments like in first tw where litlle animals are walking around, birds are flying, dynamical weather and lightning effect , detailed grass. it is just that the environments in da are pretty much none and bioware (ea) has a budget to afford making those

[Sylvianus]

lolnoobs wrote...

luki1234567 wrote...

the charcter moddels ARE good but the environments but... wait what environments?

Why would you even want that? It's the characters that are important. Bioware does not want you spending your time looking at bushes or trees.

Yeah. It is especially not how Bioware has to think,. Thank you to avoid giving false ideas to Bioware. If the details can be worked, they must be worked.

All must give a satisfactory result. Each area must be considered as good. That's the goal.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 03 août 2011 - 07:53 .

[hoorayforicecream]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

They don't, just like they don't in DA2, but I do not base the game on that. I enjoy it for different reasons. They add to my enjoyement, but I do not base it on them.  

They do in DA2. Others comment on it. The LI comments on it. Hawke comments on it. Hawke can flirt, and they respond. If Hawke breaks up with certain companions, it's mentioned too. There's mention of it, because it's there. You can see a relationship build, because it's acknowledged. The choices Hawke makes can and do directly affect the companions and their relationships, and it's built up and acknowledged in the game. 

With Geralt, there isn't any recognition of any relationship between the two most important people in it aside from the immediate reaction, and that's lame. It just reinforces how immutable the characters are. Geralt *can't* have a relationship with Triss, and being told that they have one when there isn't one is one of the most jarring experiences out there, because I'm told one thing and shown a totally different one. 

And I am not seeing them acting like siblings. I am really not. I do see and feel that they are a couple.
Not the most touching, or memorable romance. But I still felt it was a romance. I do see a relationship.
I do not need to see "I love you"s for that. But that ends up going to what and who Geralt is. Geralt beign explicitly in love just feels OOC for me.

A couple that never touches, expresses affection once early and never returns to it, and pretty much ignore each other for most of it? You say "couple", I say "**** buddies". Geralt can initiate and get a one-line immediate response, but Triss never does anything to acknowledge the relationship without Geralt prompting her first. That's not much of a relationship to me.

And Geralt being explicitly *anything* is OOC for him. That's why I dislike it.

It's things like that, that I miss in most bioware companions. That they do not really react to what's happening around them, but rather to what the PC tells them.

Disagree. Case in point: Anders.

[luki1234567]

Heh i think it's time to replay origins before i will start my 3rd game in tw2

[erynnar]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

lolnoobs wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

I think DA3 might learn some things from TW2, but BW games have their own atmosphere and that shouldn't be replaced by something total alien to them.

BW could use the branching stories, though. The way decisions are implemented now defies the whole idea of making them, because they switch back to the main railroaded story as soon as possible. To me the DA2 world feels like a collection of points of interest, puzzles and bosses placed on the map and connected by a story. No matter what decisions you make you usually visit the same points on the map and fight the same bosses. The "decisions" wrap back to the same story line within no time. The dialogue variations act as rationalizations to get you there. That makes the decisions feel cosmetic and the dialogue feel constructed and artificial. All that has a negative impact on telling the story. Put all that energy in something meaningful, please.

Something that I love about TW2 is that he world feels bigger and more alive. NPCs seem to do things. The world is dirty and feels like it is being lived it. It feels like TW2's devs gave it a lot of love and attention. In Kirkwall there is no dirt. It feels like it is kept clean 24/7. Even the Alienage (which is no more than a square with a tree and a couple of doors) has no dirt. There is no detail. NPCs are static. It feels like it has no soul.

Even though DA2 supports DX11 it doesn't look as good as the TW2. The lighting and scenery are breath taking. Nothing in DA2 compares to that, so DA2 could use a bit of that.

Did you play DA2 with low settings? It looks incredibly detailed on my high end user pc.

I am playing on maxed out settings and I use Crossfire. Don't make me laugh. Did you play TW2?

And let's not forget the grey furniture people with low rez faces and hair in DA2. They creep me out. I will say this, Witcher 2's graphics are amazing.

Edited because I got interrupted by a call...And so is Legacy's.  Thank goodness BioWare fixed the envornments issue. Sorry lolnoobs, if the ennviorment sucks or is so re-used I feel like they used a Xerox machine, than th yeah I don't like the game as much. What is the point of having a character with a world that has no life in it to run around in. They are my avatar into the world but not the end all be all of the game. The devil is in the details. And Legacy helped with that.

Modifié par erynnar, 03 août 2011 - 08:12 .

[Lenimph]

@those complaing about DA2's console graphics....

Dragon Age 2 looked fine on my grandma's HD television... I don't know what the fuss is all about *sexbox girl* Yeah it doesn't look good on my standard TV but nothing looks great on that thing really.

I'll wait to see how "great" TW2 will perform on console before I would say anything personally...

Modifié par Lenimph, 03 août 2011 - 08:09 .

[luki1234567]

da2 looks good but it certainly lacks good environments and for me art design was wierd (those alienated elves...)

[corkey sweet]

i have been thinking of doing another Origins run. archer rogue (built correctly) does huge dps

[nitefyre410]

Lenimph wrote...

@those complaing about DA2's console graphics....

Dragon Age 2 looked fine on my grandma's HD television... I don't know what the fuss is all about *sexbox girl* Yeah it doesn't look good on my standard TV but nothing looks great on that thing really.

I'll wait to see how "great" TW2 will perform on console before I would say anything personally...

  

DA 2 looked good on 32'  HD  TV on PS3  so I'm with  on that  I don't see what the big fuss is about. 


BTW:  Miranda Pony .... AWESOME. lol

Modifié par nitefyre410, 03 août 2011 - 08:26 .

[Sylvianus]

Lenimph wrote...

@those complaing about DA2's console graphics....

Dragon Age 2 looked fine on my grandma's HD television... I don't know what the fuss is all about *sexbox girl* Yeah it doesn't look good on my standard TV but nothing looks great on that thing really.

I'll wait to see how "great" TW2 will perform on console before I would say anything personally...

they will not be worse than in DA2, that is certain.

They will at least make the difference between the floor and walls. <_<

But to please you, everything is beautiful in DA2. Yeah.

[dheer]

Mr.House wrote...

Duncaaaaaan wrote...
I think bioware needs to make Dragon Age: origins 2, not Dragon age 3.

A continuation of the grey warden story line, and to make the end really really epic, the game fast forwards many years later, and the warden finally hears the calling, and the very last quest in the game is to wonder into the deep roads and kill a ridiculous amount of darkspawn, eventually dying himself.

The GW can be dead.:innocent:

As can Leliana and we saw how that turned out. :innocent:

I don't know if the calling for the warden would make a very good game, unless it was the end and a kind of ride off into the sunset moment. Plenty of other things they could do however.

[KnightofPhoenix]

hoorayforicecream wrote...
They do in DA2. Others comment on it. The LI comments on it. Hawke comments on it. Hawke can flirt, and they respond. If Hawke breaks up with certain companions, it's mentioned too. There's mention of it, because it's there. You can see a relationship build, because it's acknowledged. The choices Hawke makes can and do directly affect the companions and their relationships, and it's built up and acknowledged in the game.

Just mentions. In my eyes, not different than the immediate reactions that TW2 had. None of them really end up mattering im my eyes. They can enhance the experience sure, but things like that do not make a story for me, unless it's deliberately a romance story, or a personal story, something that I felt DA2 was not good enough at to be considered as such.
The difference between friendship and rivalry is limited in most cases. You can't make a companion hate you for instance, based on your choices.

With Geralt, there isn't any recognition of any relationship between the two most important people in it aside from the immediate reaction, and that's lame. It just reinforces how immutable the characters are. Geralt *can't* have a relationship with Triss, and being told that they have one when there isn't one is one of the most jarring experiences out there, because I'm told one thing and shown a totally different one.

Except Geralt can have a relationship. The fact that you do not see it as a good relationship, is completely different and of course valid. I personaly do see a relationship, and am not just told about it. And I find it good enough.

A couple that never touches, expresses affection once early and never returns to it, and pretty much ignore each other for most of it? You say "couple", I say "**** buddies". Geralt can initiate and get a one-line immediate response, but Triss never does anything to acknowledge the relationship without Geralt prompting her first. That's not much of a relationship to me.

And Geralt being explicitly *anything* is OOC for him. That's why I dislike it.

Triss does mention the relationship prior to the bath scene, without Geralt prompting her. Going as far as to say she'd drop everything for him.
I do see a couple. They express affection rarely, but they do and I do not mind. I personally do not express my affection often either (in fact, me being expected to do so annoys me).

Considering who and what Geralt is and what he's been through, I find that's part of his charm and appeal.
As in, it's a design choice imo, and not a flaw.

Disagree. Case in point: Anders.

Hence I said "most". Anders is one of the rare few I thought, though I felt the implemention was flawed. Much of his development was done off screen.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 03 août 2011 - 08:47 .

[Chromie]

Lenimph wrote...

@those complaing about DA2's console graphics....

Dragon Age 2 looked fine on my grandma's HD television... I don't know what the fuss is all about *sexbox girl* Yeah it doesn't look good on my standard TV but nothing looks great on that thing really.

I'll wait to see how "great" TW2 will perform on console before I would say anything personally...

So far it's looking better and performing just fine.