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[luki1234567]

Mash Mashington wrote...

I disliked the dorky combat (no, i actually absolutely hated DA:O combat, who am i kidding), the art style and the fact that i have a silent protagonist in a world where everybody else talks. It worked in BG and such games, but it was incredibly annoying since KotOR was out. And DA2 cast blows DA:O out of the water for me.

But if you like to call me weirdo please go on

You are weird

[Costin_Razvan]

jwalker wrote...

NOOOOO !!! NOOOO !!!!!

That was legendary.

To me controllable party or not doesn't matter much, but I do wish they wouldn't copy TW2.

 I disliked the dorky combat (no, i actually absolutely hated DA:O combat, who am i kidding), the art style and the fact that i have a silent protagonist in a world where everybody else talks. It worked in BG and such games, but it was incredibly annoying since KotOR was out. And DA2 cast blows DA:O out of the water for me.

I agree. It was a major turn off to play DA:O after ME1.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 30 juillet 2011 - 06:22 .

[syllogi]

Mash Mashington wrote...

I disliked the dorky combat (no, i actually absolutely hated DA:O combat, who am i kidding), the art style and the fact that i have a silent protagonist in a world where everybody else talks. It worked in BG and such games, but it was incredibly annoying since KotOR was out. And DA2 cast blows DA:O out of the water for me.

But if you like to call me weirdo please go on

What did female dwarves ever do to you WEIRDO

Serious post:  I do agree about the silent protagonist, but I prefered the art style and combat of DA:O.  It's hard to compare the games though, honestly, when DA:O had way more development time, and DA2 is not geared towards old school RPG fans.  I want friendly fire on Normal, spell combos, top down camera, and more strategic fights back.  I doubt making the game more like the Witcher would help with that.

[Cutlasskiwi]

meteorswarm wrote...

Some deeply storytelling,one protagonist ,no companions and no teammates .The third person visual  is nearly the witcher 2 of course,better with the first person visual if it has.

No! Worst idea I've heard in a while. Creating compelling characters and companions are one of BioWare's greater strengths. They absolutely need to keep doing this.  

Modifié par Yellow Words, 30 juillet 2011 - 06:27 .

[Zjarcal]

jwalker wrote...

NOOOOO !!! NOOOO !!!!!

LOL!!!

I always wondered how River Plate fans took the relegation... now I have a clear idea. 

[afhdjs]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

afhdjs wrote...

BW has a lot to learn from TW if it wants to make a real "dark fantasy". TW is truly morally ambiguous. Playing the game you don't feel anybody is good or bad, and become indifferent to a lot of things (like torture, mutilation, revenge etc.) BW games, despite trying to become morally ambiguous, still have a black and white feel (maybe its the music, mood or ways characters were designed or something).

Another thing that makes TW a true dark fantasy (and a great game too) is that it doesn't try to pander to all audiences. It is an "adult" game plain and simple. Some people say it uses sex and foul language just to sell the game to adolescents, but I don't think so. It doesn't shove nudity and cursing in your face all the time, and uses it in a way that adds to the moral ambiguity of the game. (ex. Sex is not about getting to know the LI or trying to falling in love with them (like BW games). It is just done by Geralt, a person who has little emotion and does not adhere to strict morals for fun most of the time). BW should follow this.

Not to get too tangential...but sex does not equal romance. Bioware adds romance options for their main characters in their games, not just sexual encounters. For sex without the romance, there are brothels to visit.

Plus, and this may be just my opinion, I don't think Bioware is pandering in any way. 

Maybe the whole romance thing in BW games is what makes it not so "dark". Like "romance" in DA and ME is handled in an incredibly innocent way, which makes the game really sweet and adds a black/white dimension to it. I like how Geralt can "love" people but not be sexually faithful to them in any way, and that he can love 2 people (Yennefer and Triss) without feeling guilty about it. Characters in TW don't have the concept of a "committed relationship", and I think that's what adds a real sense of grittiness to the game.

[Merci357]

They could maybe take a few hints how to craft a game for a mature audience. But that's about it. I vastly prefer party/squad based games. The combat in the Witcher games is awful, you are forced to play Geralt, why should they copy that? In many aspects it's so far more restrictive then anything BioWare has ever offered.
Now don't get me wrong - in terms of execution, there are many things that could be learned from TW2. Looks beautiful, lots of details - it just feels alive and shows what a modern engine and/or games developed for the PC could look like these days. But it's one thing to acknowledge TW2 is very well done, and another to say it's not my kind of game.

[MorrigansLove]

WTF? Hell no!! Dragon Age should change, but not become an exact replica of The Witcher.

Dragon Age should be its own, which is why I think they should get rid of the poxy Dialogue Wheel.

[TheBlackBaron]

Is there some sort of problem with allowing DA3 (which is hopefully DA:O 2) being its own game? Don't we always complain about Bioware "homogenizing" DA2 to be like other game so as to try and sell more copies?

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

No thanks. If I wanted to play the Witcher, I'd play...wait for it...The Witcher.

The same here.

[_Somebody]

Mash Mashington wrote...

Female dwarves were the best, and the death of top-down camera was my personal tragedy, just for the record. Neither game is perfect, but they both have good features. DA3 just needs some sexy middle ground (which is not The Witcher mmkay)

This I agree with.

[afhdjs]

Just wondering, do you think TW is a game for "guys". Like Geralt is the poster boy for the heterosexual male hero (stoic, scarred and fully of libido for women). Maybe BW games appeal to more people by letting you play a hero that is a guy or girl, homosexual or straight.

Modifié par afhdjs, 30 juillet 2011 - 06:40 .

[afhdjs]

Double post

Modifié par afhdjs, 30 juillet 2011 - 06:38 .

[Apollo Starflare]

Somebody wrote...

Mash Mashington wrote...

Female dwarves were the best, and the death of top-down camera was my personal tragedy, just for the record. Neither game is perfect, but they both have good features. DA3 just needs some sexy middle ground (which is not The Witcher mmkay)

This I agree with.

I concur.

[Eranikus1560]

no, no god no

[whykikyouwhy]

afhdjs wrote...

Just wondering, do you think TW is a game for "guys". Like Geralt is the poster boy for the heterosexual male hero (stoic, scarred and fully of libido for women). Maybe BW games appeal to more people by letting you play a hero that is a guy or girl, homosexual or straight.

This might be a good question for the off-topic forum, since it will most likely veer away from DA2.

But to answer, I do like games that allow me to play a female protagonist. That's not a make or break feature for me - it's just a nice bonus if it's an available option and done well. However, I am not a big fan of the "poster boy" type hero. Just not my thing. It's been done in games for decades now. Maybe Geralt has many layers, but on the surface, he seems too generic for me, too cliche, and therefore, too off-putting. Just my opinion, mind you.

I don't see The Witcher as specifically for guys, though it seems to be marketed more for a male audience. However, many games are. And I would be ok if that started to change.

[alex90c]

Dragon Age should stick to being Dragon Age. It was trying to make a hybrid with DA2/Dragon Effect/Mass Age which is what got Bioware in to the mess they're currently in, and while I love Mass Effect to bits, I do NOT want it in my DA.

Though tbh, I could have lived quite easily without the DA2 companions, I found almost all of them absolutely loathsome.

[Melca36]

meteorswarm wrote...

Some deeply storytelling,one protagonist ,no companions and no teammates .The third person visual  is nearly the witcher 2 of course,better with the first person visual if it has.

No thank you.  

[Tasmen]

afhdjs wrote...

Just wondering, do you think TW is a game for "guys". Like Geralt is the poster boy for the heterosexual male hero (stoic, scarred and fully of libido for women). Maybe BW games appeal to more people by letting you play a hero that is a guy or girl, homosexual or straight.

Personally, as a chick, I loved playing TW.  I took Geralt for what he was (videogame protagonist, meets 80s metal star meets 80s action hero meets eastern european eurotrash meets James Bonds' sex life) and ran with it.  But would I want DA to copy TW?  Nope.  In my mind, they are two diff games in two diff universes.  There are things in DAO & DA2 I would have liked to see in TW 1 & 2 and vice versa.  

But by no means would I want them to copy each other.

[Sutekh]

afhdjs wrote...

Just wondering, do you think TW is a game for "guys". Like Geralt is the poster boy for the heterosexual male hero (stoic, scarred and fully of libido for women). Maybe BW games appeal to more people by letting you play a hero that is a guy or girl, homosexual or straight.

Yes I do. Especially in TW1. Geralt is, IMO, a very stereotypical hero, archetypal even. The archetype here being the lone wolf, silent, hetero no-string-attached Alpha male. This guy has a Y chromosome the size of Texas, and this even when he professes his love to his LI or takes on a father role in TW1.

Nothing's wrong with that in itself, but that also means I will never relate to him, even though I enjoy playing him from an "audience" point of view.

There are other points in both games, and, again, especially the first, that strongly hint at them being traditional "games for guys".

One of the reasons for which DA should never try to copy TW.

[blothulfur]

Did you have to drag the witcher into this place we have our own awesome button free thread, lets not bother the good folk who prefer the bustling vibrant metropolis of Kirkwall. Lets just bid them an upper right goodbye and pray we aren't infected by the taint.

[DragonRageGT]

Zjarcal wrote...

jwalker wrote...

NOOOOO !!! NOOOO !!!!!

LOL!!!

I always wondered how River Plate fans took the relegation... now I have a clear idea. 

Puta que pariu! Inventaram um Tapetão prá manter essa merda de time na primeira divisão! hahahahah

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I think there's a lot of pride and prejudice around here. TW2 is a milestone in the cRPG genre and there's nothing wrong to acknowledge it.  I still don't want BW to simply copy anything from it but they should bury DA2 some 600 ft under and start anew.

To promote that big pile of mistakes called DA2, Bioware had to bash on Origins! It's the stupidiest thing I've ever seen. Then they attacked the gamers who disliked that b/s game. Confirmation Bias works both ways and honestly I've identified that on BW staff and DA2 lovers' posts a lot more than on Origins fans' who were disappointed with the new ****! If DA2 is the new ****, well, it stinks!

I dont want a TW game by Bioware. CDPR is much better at doing it. I want something epic and genre redefining from Bioware instead of "metrix" guided "inovations" which turned a great game into a pile of new ****.

I don't watch television. Since ratings started being feed on real time to tv stations, tv shows became a big pile too. That's what "metrix" did to the DA franchise, IMHO.