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[csfteeeer]

F**K NO!
Do i think TW2 is better than DA2?
pff, yeah, that's like saying DAO is better than DA2, why state the obvious?
and yes i do also think TW2 is better than DAO, not by a long shot but still.

BUT, i don't want this series to COPY TW series, that's a horrible idea.

They are not even the same type of game.
TW2 is an Action/Adventure game with Heavy RPG(though not as deep as i thought they would sadly)
DAO is tactical Role Playing Game, DA2 is an action game with several RPG touches.

I DEFINETELY think they should take a inspirations from it, and make it their own (like they did with ME and the COD series, halo, etc...), there's nothing wrong with taking an inspiration from it, but no copying.

No de coña!

[Terminatort800]

DA is DA and Witcher is Witcher. Both these games are great, no need to mix it.

[Gibb_Shepard]

It should sure as hell up the quality to that of the Witcher 2. The depth, visuals and storytelling all need to be improved from DA2.

But keep the party.

[bEVEsthda]

meteorswarm wrote...

Some deeply storytelling,one protagonist ,no companions and no teammates .The third person visual  is nearly the witcher 2 of course,better with the first person visual if it has.

The only thing DA need to take from TW2 is a pretension of realism and to take itself and its own story seriously. I didn't particularly like anything much about TW2's gameplay elements. I enjoy games like Morrowind, FO3, TW2, despite them being no companions and despite them being twitch-play oriented. Not because. And despite TW2's many movies, (which Bioware also relies too much on.)

TW2 has a serious undertone and is soaked in thick atmosphere. And it's a role play game, not a consolish action romp.
I'd like BW to consider things like that. Otherwise, it's really the tactical party game a'la BG I want from BW. Not "TW3".

[PaulSX]

All they need to do for DA3 is to put more RP contents less tedious combat and a FINISHED storyline

[Chuvvy]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

Hmm. I like my DA storytelling and fantastic companions. I prefer to keep my DA games in the DA vein.

Jesus, sucks to be you, because DA2 did none of the first and little of the last.

[Chuvvy]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

It should sure as hell up the quality to that of the Witcher 2. The depth, visuals and storytelling all need to be improved from DA2.

But keep the party.

Basically.

[Nameless2345]

Personally I still can't find patience to finish Witcher 1. In my opinion gameplay is simply bad and boring in every part, story is meh, characters are annoying, protagonist is Garry Stu. Perhaps TW2 is better, but I kind of doubt it. So... no. I hope that DA3 will be a blend of DA:O and DA2.

[Atakuma]

csfteeeer wrote...


They are not even the same type of game.
TW2 is an Action/Adventure game with Heavy RPG(though not as deep as i thought they would sadly)
DAO is tactical Role Playing Game, DA2 is an action game with several RPG touches.

No, that would be TW2. Calling DA2 an action game is just silly.

[Savber100]

No.

Dragon Age needs to be its own series. I won't mind if they borrow some elements from the Witcher like the branching narratives but other than that I want DA to stay unique.

That said, the Witcher 1 is overrated but the Witcher 2 is droolworthy. I think Bioware can LEARN a thing or two from CDPR but Projekt is not as perfect as we like to think. Bioware still beats them when it comes to companions (although Roche>Garrus), voice acting (understandable), and storytelling (not story). I want Bioware to stand out, use their resouces, and kick the Witcher 2 in the ass. I give you 4 yrs of development time, Bioware. 

If The Old Republic succeeds, I think Bioware will be back in force as seeing how TOR is currently having like 75% of Bioware's attention right now while CDPR has the advantage in being totally focused on making The Witcher. 

Modifié par Savber100, 31 juillet 2011 - 02:30 .

[Realmzmaster]

No thank you! I prefer party based games and there are very few of them being made. Bioware is very good at party based games. I played both Witcher 1 & 2 and did not like either.

Witcher 2 is well executed, but not the type of RPG I care for. Witcher 1 was a travesty and nearly unplayable when it first came out. It took the Enhanced Edition to get Witcher 1 playable. I have no compulsion to play Witcher 1 or 2 again.

DA:O and DA2 on the other hand I like playing and have multiple play troughs with each game. I found both DA:O and DA2 to be far more enjoyable in my opinion that TW1 or 2. YMMV.

So no to copying and yes to more party based CRPGs.

[Aaleel]

I liked the Witcher, loved the Witcher 2, but I want some variety in my games. I like to have party based games, and the DA series is one of few left that I play. ME may be party based but only in DA can you control each party member, and play on if the leader dies.

There are some things I'd like to see DA borrow from the Witcher games, living worlds, and how to actually design a city for example, but they should not be carbon copies of each other.

[Drone696]

Lenimph wrote...

No thanks. I don't like emotionless and fixed characters that talk as if they fell out of the Twilight series, period jokes and every other joke that pokes fun at the "softer" sex, unresponsive and almost mindless (wait for it...) button smashing combat that feel like a stunted Fable game, and last but not least, sequels that fill you in on hardly anything from that last game and don't even tell you the canon romance is a mage allergic to magic. NO THANKS.

The only things TW2 has that the Dragon Age series doesn't is fancy graphics and dynamic choices. Graphics are not that important enough for me to demand them as long as the game offers me entertainment in the writing and proper voice acting. DA2's graphics are just fine to me. I would like my choices in the Dragon Age games to matter a bit more, I can't deny that.

BTW just for the record: Nudity and Objectifying humor /=/ A game for the "mature" crowd.

A thousand times THIS!!!

[USSSovereign]

I got so bored with The Witcher 2 I stopped playing a few hours in.. I normally only stop RPG's for lack of sleep or food. I'll pass on Bioware doing anything like the Witcher (other than better graphics..)

[AtreiyaN7]

I'd rather have Cassius, Brutus and the entire Roman Senate stab me to death if the protagonist and/or any secondary characters in DA3 resembled Geralt and Triss. *gag* What makes the BW games unique is the interaction between the protagonist and the companion characters. They can certainly learn from the graphics and environments of TW2, however.

[Special_Agent_Goodwrench]

Was the OP heavily intoxicated or under the influence of drugs when s/he posted this topic? Serious question.

Anyways, Lenimph's post and my avatar just about cover my thoughts on this topic.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Savber100 wrote...

That said, the Witcher 1 is overrated but the Witcher 2 is droolworthy. I think Bioware can LEARN a thing or two from CDPR but Projekt is not as perfect as we like to think. Bioware still beats them when it comes to companions (although Roche>Garrus), voice acting (understandable), and storytelling (not story).

I find this highly debatable.
From my experience, Bioware games tell more than show, and what they show is often contradictory to what they tell us (that was in the extreme in DA2. We are told Kirkwall is overcrowded yet it's empty. We are told Aveline is a competent captain, yet there are no night patrols. We are supposed to be scared of the Qunari, yet they act like incompetent idiots at the end, wasting a perfectly defensible position...etc). Furthermore, all the bits I'd find interesting are relegated to codices and a mention in a few lines of dialogue (say inner-Chantry divide. Or Terminus humans / Alliance divide).

TW2, imo, showed a lot more than Bioware usually does. Heck, it even allowed us to play certain segments that are important to the plot, with a completely different character, rather than tell us what happened in a few lines of dialogue or a codex. The way it managed to almost seamlessly integrate a complicated political plot in the story, is also proof of good story telling imo. It offered some of the moments I find are the most memorable in my history with video games as well. At certain moments, I felt TW2 lacked a cinematic feeling in places that would have been much better off with it. But all in all, I found TW2's storytelling to be at least equal, if not superior, to the Bioware games I've played, and it certainly has a much better story imo. And breaking the tell / show divide is something I feel that Bioware should learn.

Furthermore, I appreciate the likes of Vernon Roche and Iorveth as characters more than most Bioware companions, though that is in large part subjective. I will say though that they are much better integrated in the plot than most.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 31 juillet 2011 - 04:31 .

[csfteeeer]

Savber100 wrote...

No.

Dragon Age needs to be its own series. I won't mind if they borrow some elements from the Witcher like the branching narratives but other than that I want DA to stay unique.

That said, the Witcher 1 is overrated but the Witcher 2 is droolworthy. I think Bioware can LEARN a thing or two from CDPR but Projekt is not as perfect as we like to think. Bioware still beats them when it comes to companions (although Roche>Garrus), voice acting (understandable), and storytelling (not story). I want Bioware to stand out, use their resouces, and kick the Witcher 2 in the ass. I give you 4 yrs of development time, Bioware. 

If The Old Republic succeeds, I think Bioware will be back in force as seeing how TOR is currently having like 75% of Bioware's attention right now while CDPR has the advantage in being totally focused on making The Witcher. 

EXACTLY This.

BW should take a INSPIRATIONS from TW2 and CDPR (Example,the combat, of course i'm not asking them to remove the party based system, but taking a few inspirations from TW2's combat wouldn't hurt, like how fast it is),
but not copy them.

EDIT:OOPS!

with the only part i don't really agree with would be storytelling, as BioWare mostly tells, and doesn't show(i would cared FAR more for Hawke had they allowed us to play through his life, through Flashbacks, like in FO3, and allowed us to live tragical moments in Hawke's past, that would have been FANTASTIC)

Modifié par csfteeeer, 31 juillet 2011 - 04:31 .

[Elessara]

No nononononono!

I like The Witcher (the first game). There were some weird things about it but over all I enjoyed it.

The Witcher 2 on the other hand ... ok the environment graphics were gorgeous. Very detailed and quite amazing. Some of the characters were very well detailed as well. Some of the characters were not. The mechanics ... some were bad. Combat targeting was annoying. The inventory system was annoying. Combat animations were good. I found the different training paths interesting.

Yes the story of TW2 was rather dark. There was no right or wrong, no good or evil - not clearly at any rate. But at the end I just .. didn't .. care. I didn't care what happened to ANYONE. I wanted to have Geralt just walk away and let them all kill each other. And frankly I rather want to care because otherwise what's the point?

I also missed having companions. Those times when there were people (briefly) running around with Geralt and they made snarky comments - those were good. Otherwise it was just kind of empty.

I loved DAO and I guess I am one of the few that actually enjoyed DA2. No I don't think DA2 was as good as DAO or at least I didn't enjoy it as much as I did the first game. But I have played some truly, incredibly bad games before and DA2 is nowhere near as bad. On my own personal scale it's somewhere in the middle.

As others have said, let DA stay DA ... keep the companions, the banter, the relationships. Those are some of the best parts.

[Bryy_Miller]

I know they are both RPGs, but they are in no way similar. Which is a good thing. Witcher is obviously not the type of RPG BioWare is interested in making, but CD Projekt is.

Let's keep it that way.

Remember: what YOU want is not always what the DEVS want.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Elessara wrote...
Yes the story of TW2 was rather dark. There was no right or wrong, no good or evil - not clearly at any rate. But at the end I just .. didn't .. care. I didn't care what happened to ANYONE. I wanted to have Geralt just walk away and let them all kill each other. And frankly I rather want to care because otherwise what's the point?

That is the point. And that makes it closer to our own world.

It is interesting how different our mindsets are (and both are perfectly valid). I have the exact opposite position. If you seek to shove "good" and "evil" down my throat, I can guarantee you I am not going to care at all. If you make everyone a lunatic incompetent idiot a la DA2, I am not going to care and I am certianly not the only one who wanted an option for Hawke to just screw Kirkwall and leave. I don't care if the reapers exterminate the entire Mass Effect universe, and I care less now if the Blight or demons or stupid idols or unbelievable incompetence eat Thedas.

Whereas TW2, lacking all "the big bad evil" nonsense, focusing solely on human issues on both the micro and macro level, just plain old realpolitik and balance of power politics, with what I find believable and subtle characters reacting to these trends around them in different ways, coupled with supernatural elements that are there to enforce the human aspect and not subdue it, made me care about it a lot.
 
That is the direction I wanted Bioware to take, but then DA2 went the opposite way. Thankfully someone else did though, so I stopped caring as much as I did before.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 31 juillet 2011 - 04:53 .

[asaiasai]

I still not have bought DA2 yet it is now at the price i am willing to part with for what is essentially half a game. Well having suffered through what i will call consolized trash that is The Witcher 2 i really hope both studios Bioware and CD project do not stay on thier current course of game design. The click happy combat that is TW2 ruined the game, add into that the; simplified alchemy, the over reliance on QTEs, a borked save system (one playthrough created 4gs of save game files), an inventory system that is still unweildy, and the most irritating thing ever is the one key for multiple functions which removes player choice from the game. This year has been a total bust for games first off DA2 sucked according to my reliable sources, and then not to be outdone CD Project Red drops the warm steamy pile of dog plop that is The Witcher 2 on the market, is there anybody who actually plays games working in the industry? The hands down best game i have bought this year is Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines which while i still had to fiddle with to get it to work, even though i bought it from Steam, was better than anything else i have seen or played this year. The current state of wannabe game designers and thier quest for more money with all the hardware upgrades these charlitans still can not design a game that has any style or originality, how sad is that?

Asai

[Babli]

Lenimph wrote...

No thanks. I don't like emotionless and fixed characters that talk as if they fell out of the Twilight series, period jokes and every other joke that pokes fun at the "softer" sex, unresponsive and almost mindless (wait for it...) button smashing combat that feel like a stunted Fable game, and last but not least, sequels that fill you in on hardly anything from that last game and don't even tell you the canon romance is a mage allergic to magic. NO THANKS.

The only things TW2 has that the Dragon Age series doesn't is fancy graphics and dynamic choices. Graphics are not that important enough for me to demand them as long as the game offers me entertainment in the writing and proper voice acting. DA2's graphics are just fine to me. I would like my choices in the Dragon Age games to matter a bit more, I can't deny that.

BTW just for the record: Nudity and Objectifying humor /=/ A game for the "mature" crowd.

lol this post is so wrong its cute.

Modifié par Babli, 31 juillet 2011 - 09:45 .

[Cyne]

No, bad idea, very bad idea. One of the best things about dragon age is the evolving companion interactions, they're as much a part of the game as the main plot. No other developer does them as well as bioware.

[dragonfire100]

meteorswarm wrote...

Some deeply storytelling,one protagonist ,no companions and no teammates .The third person visual  is nearly the witcher 2 of course,better with the first person visual if it has.

no thanks i perfer to play dragon age