163 réponses à ce sujet

[upsettingshorts]

Nashiktal wrote...

The Kotor mmo has already cost me kotor 3 for the near future, so I have a very dim view on mmo's right now.

I highly doubt EA was like:

"We'll give you $X to make KOTOR3 or $10X to make TOR" and BioWare chose TOR.  

They outsourced KOTOR2, ffs. 

Content wise, TOR is basically KOTOR3-10 given that each class - of which there are 8 - has its own story.  

That said yes it will have some amount of grinding - though nothting like Japanese MMOs - and yes it will have a monthly fee and yes it is multiplayer (and Beta leaks say that while it's possible to finish the main story solo, they wouldn't recommend it).

[alex90c]

While I'd love more games in the ME universe where you don't have to be Shepard (imagine it - going round as a Krogan just ... f*cking sh*t up) but i'm not sure how that could be well implemented without going MMO (even though I'm not too keen on MMOs).

[shepskisaac]

It's a right universe for MMO, especially after the Reaper threat is dealt with and the worl may evolve however thye want. But it won't happen in the next 5-10 years. EA's launching TOR and ME MMO would be too much of a direct competition for it. But I can totally see ME MMO as a natural successor for TOR in about 5-10 years.

[IronSabbath88]

Make it like an Origins type thing. Except the characters have pre determined names, but you're playing as the race. So basically, it's the same as Shepard in that you have a pre determined name and sort of like Origins in that you can be different races. Each with their own story sort of like TOR. It'd be cool.

[marshalleck]

Upsettingshorts wrote...
(and Beta leaks say that while it's possible to finish the main story solo, they wouldn't recommend it).

TOR just scored some points with me. Ever since WoW, MMORPGs have been trying way too hard to cater to the single-player experience, which is just absurd given the entire concept of "massively multiplayer" game.

[shepskisaac]

Upsettingshorts wrote...
I highly doubt EA was like:

"We'll give you $X to make KOTOR3 or $10X to make TOR" and BioWare chose TOR.  

They outsourced KOTOR2, ffs. 

Content wise, TOR is basically KOTOR3-10 given that each class - of which there are 8 - has its own story.  

That said yes it will have some amount of grinding - though nothting like Japanese MMOs - and yes it will have a monthly fee and yes it is multiplayer (and Beta leaks say that while it's possible to finish the main story solo, they wouldn't recommend it).

EA had nothing to do with KOTORs or TOR's birth. It was all about what LucasArts wanted. LA started making KOTOR 3 themselves but the project was quickly cancelled when LA experienced major financial issues in mid-00s. After that, they didn't return to the KOTOR 3 idea but went for the MMO and contracted BW to do that. BW didn't have any say whether they want it to be KOTOR 3 or MMO, at that point LA already made the decision.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 30 juillet 2011 - 08:37 .

[upsettingshorts]

I'll elaborate then. They said it was possible to reach the story endgame solo but you'll progress at a much more enjoyable pace if you do group quests as you get them.

Furthermore, you can bring friends along - provided they are the same class - on your story missions. You will both experience dialogue options, and the players' chosen consequence will be displayed at more or less random ( a dice roll ) but the game remembers your choice even if your friend's is the one displayed and will consider your choice your character's canon for the purposes of continuity, bonuses, and such.

So it does seem very conducive to consistent group play. Keep in mind though that I'm not in Beta (I'd be breaking the NDA with this if I was) and my post is basically hearsay.

IsaacShep wrote...
EA had nothing to do with KOTORs or TOR's birth. It was all about what LucasArts wanted.

Then change EA to LucasArts and my point remains the same.

There was no "we either make KOTOR3 or a KOTOR MMO" point at which someone can level a criticism and say "they made the wrong decision and it cost us this other game."

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 30 juillet 2011 - 08:40 .

[Uzrbital]

In a MMO, you're just another player.

[IronSabbath88]

I personally think that if TOR is successful enough, all the more reason for LucasArts to be convinced that maybe another Star Wars based singleplayer RPG could work. I wouldn't rule out another KOTOR type game yet.

[marshalleck]

Uzrbital wrote...

In a MMO, you're just another player.

Which is the whole point...playing a game with other people. 

Obviously, basement-dwelling antisocial troglodytes need not apply. 

[upsettingshorts]

Uzrbital wrote...

In a MMO, you're just another player.

You're always just another player.  It's just easier to forget that you are in a single player game.

Though technically from what I understand in TOR you're just another one of eight different groups of players.  The class stories tie together in some way(s).

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 30 juillet 2011 - 08:45 .

[shepskisaac]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Then change EA to LucasArts and my point remains the same.

There was no "we either make KOTOR3 or a KOTOR MMO" point at which someone can level a criticism and say "they made the wrong decision and it cost us this other game."

There was no decision like that in BioWare's HQs, but there was in LucasArts'. The fact is, if it wasn't for TOR, KOTOR 3 would've been made sooner or later.

[upsettingshorts]

IsaacShep wrote...

The fact is, if it wasn't for TOR, KOTOR 3 would've been made sooner or later.

That's not a fact, that's pure speculation.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 30 juillet 2011 - 08:47 .

[marshalleck]

IsaacShep wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Then change EA to LucasArts and my point remains the same.

There was no "we either make KOTOR3 or a KOTOR MMO" point at which someone can level a criticism and say "they made the wrong decision and it cost us this other game."

There was no decision like that in BioWare's HQs, but there was in LucasArts'. The fact is, if it wasn't for TOR, KOTOR 3 would've been made sooner or later.

You have no way to substantiate that, and I'd suggest the opposite is more likely: KotOR 2 wasn't received nearly as well as the first game, largely due to Obsidian's legendary botch of the ending. 

[shepskisaac]

marshalleck wrote...

 You have no way to substantiate that, and I'd suggest the opposite is more likely: KotOR 2 wasn't received nearly as well as the first game

It has only a bit worse reviews than K1 and was still an acclaimed game and still sold well. Not to mention that in many areas it is considered a superior game to K1. You don't cancel a franchise which 2nd entry sold & scored as good as KOTOR 2.

marshalleck wrote...
largely due to Obsidian's legendary botch of the ending.

I think you meant "Hey Obsidian! This is LucasArts here! Yes we know the game was suppoused to come out in February 2005 but would you be so kind and release it 4 months eariler so we can fix our year-end financial report?"

Modifié par IsaacShep, 30 juillet 2011 - 09:01 .

[Ghost Lightning]

No.

[Blooddrunk1004]

Not interested in MMOs.
Give me Mass Effect: Origins instead.

[marshalleck]

IsaacShep wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

 You have no way to substantiate that, and I'd suggest the opposite is more likely: KotOR 2 wasn't received nearly as well as the first game

It has only a bit worse reviews than K1 and was still an acclaimed game and still sold well. Not to mention that in many areas it is considered a superior game to K1. You don't cancel a franchise which 2nd entry sold & scored as good as KOTOR 2.

marshalleck wrote...
largely due to Obsidian's legendary botch of the ending.

I think you meant "Hey Obsidian! This is LucasArts here! Yes we know the game was suppoused to come out in Febryary 2005 but would you be so kind and release it 4 months eariler so we can fix year-end our financial report?"

Right, the same excuse they always trot out for every buggy/incomplete game they release. 

I call bull****.

And none of this proves that KotOR 3 would have been made eventually, as you claim.

Modifié par marshalleck, 30 juillet 2011 - 09:02 .

[AerisBru]

I'll always prefer a story with a beginning, an end and strong characters over a MMO. But I like MMORPGs, too. It would be nice and I would trust Bioware to do a good work.

(and I would pay the "stupid fee" btw, as long as it is a reasonable fee)

[shepskisaac]

marshalleck wrote...

I call bull****.

And none of this proves that KotOR 3 would have been made eventually, as you claim.

And I call bull**** on "on just the same excuse". What other game do you remember that gets announced & promoted with a certain release date only to come out 4 months eariler? In an industry that is all about multiple delays?

And yeah, KOTOR 3 wouldn't have been made eventually. As we all know publishers hate money.

[marshalleck]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Only if it isn't anything like World of Warcraft. TOR already looks like it will be just like it. I can't say I blame them though. WOW is huge and anyone who wants to compete with them is going to try and emulate everything WOW does.

Which really doesn't explain why time ater time, WoW-clones fail and go free to play supported by microtransactions.

Gamers want something different, not more of the same they've had since November 2004.

[MACharlie1]

I thought KOTOR 3 wasn't made because LucasArts, at the time of VERY early development of it under Obsidian, was cutting expenses and was trying to revitalize LucasArts brand name...making it all exclusive and limiting the number of games they wanted to release to three a year. I believe at that time The Force Unleashed and Lego Star Wars was being developed.

[Xewaka]

I'd rather see a pen and paper RPG manual. There's a lack of Sci-fi settings in PnP, compared to the smattering of medieval fantasy.

[Nashiktal]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

The Kotor mmo has already cost me kotor 3 for the near future, so I have a very dim view on mmo's right now.

I highly doubt EA was like:

"We'll give you $X to make KOTOR3 or $10X to make TOR" and BioWare chose TOR.  

They outsourced KOTOR2, ffs. 

Content wise, TOR is basically KOTOR3-10 given that each class - of which there are 8 - has its own story.  

That said yes it will have some amount of grinding - though nothting like Japanese MMOs - and yes it will have a monthly fee and yes it is multiplayer (and Beta leaks say that while it's possible to finish the main story solo, they wouldn't recommend it).

which is why i hate mmos right now.

Will it have tons of content? sure. But I don't have a steady internet access, and if I did I would have to play multiplayer with other players which will break immersion.

"Does ani1 no were I can find (insert quest/item/uber secret here"

Its Multiplayer! I will have to deal with other people, good and bad. I will have to deal with the fact my choices can't be far reaching. I can't continue revans story, I can't even start a new saga because I will have to play trooper no. 567, or jedi no.8797.

Even if I solo it, it doesn't remove the fact that it is an mmo. It has the mmo trappings that come with it. It is not KOTOR3, and it might never come now because of this damn mmo.