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[bobdooly]

How do you know that we (and other life) are not simply machines made by a different race? Our bodies are robots that operate by taking in food, breaking it down, and using it to build/repair ourselves. It works on electrical signals. The only difference in basic construction is that it's squishy and made of carbon instead of a hard metal.

As for the cell thing, ind ivdual cells are not sentient. They are purely reactionary (X happens, so do Y), yet the brain as a whole is sentient. And the Geth network is essentially a giant brain, being composed of smaller non sentient cells making a larger, sentient intelligence.

[Phaelducan]

This is still going on? Crazy.

The Geth are alive. The Geth are sentient. They meet all the criteria currently in use by the scientific community at large (in our REAL world, which you may or may not choose to relate to a fictional universe) as well as the in-game facts utilized by Bioware to tell us the story of the Mass Effect universe (which you may also refuse to recognize as relevant).

With that said... if the argument (Luc0s and Saphra, cough cough) one uses chooses to ignore BOTH the criteria of our current scientific definitions as well as the in-game accepted facts.... what possible criteria could we be expected to accept as their equals?

Your own limited views on what life and sentience should entail?

Move along. Without a valid counter-argument (which you don't have), this is beyond foolish, it's sophomoric. They are both alive and sentient. use the definitions in the real world, or the game ones if you wish, or both, or whatever. You can't just ignore both without your own valid equivalent (which again you don't have) and expect this not to be a laughable "debate."

[CMDR Locke]

Luc0s wrote...

I think Admiral Daro'Xen's "the geth are just machines" and should obey the creator masters is more like racism than anything else. She reminds me of the KKK that says black people are just n!ggers that should obey their white masters.

Except the KKK didn't create black people.  Program their entire thoughts into a computer chip through hundreds of thousands of software applications.  Build them mobile platforms in their own image for them to become automated with the ability to physically interact with their envirement.  And, then expect them to work as they were created and built to.

Yeah I can see how the simple mind confused the two.

[CMDR Locke]

Luc0s wrote...

Agamo45 wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

James2912 wrote...

 I think the real question is whether the Geth would try me for murder if I threw my laptop against a wall? 

Throwing a laptop against the wall would mean as much to the geth as throwing an already-death body against the wall would mean to us. It would be a little disturbing at most.

Laptops aren't alive. They aren't sentient. They aren't self-aware.
Death bodies aren't alive. They aren't sentient. They aren't self-aware.


PS: Yes I'm fully aware that your comment probably wasn't serious and my reply is serious.

By every definition of life the geth are not anymore alive than a laptop.

Yes they are.

The geth are self-aware. The geth are sentient. The geth are sapient. That is enough to classify the geth as "alive", or at least more alive than your laptop.

Besides, it's a deep philosophical question what it means to be alive. We don't can exactly say when something is alive and when something isn't. It's hard to tell. The border between alive and non-alive is wide and grey.

Self-awareness is not a requirement to be alive.  On Earth only 4 approx species are Self Aware.  Humans, Large Apes, Elaphants, and Dolphins/Whales.

That is a fact.

Can "one" Geth reconize itself from another Geth?  If not then it is not self aware.  The Geth as a linked intelligence can tell it's collective-self from everything else, including another collective-Geth self.  And, when confronted with that other collective-geth self it has given the other self-aware species of the galaxy TWO ways to identify/interact with the other collective.  Destroy them, or rewrite the software applications that allow them to be it's own collective-self, to make it rejoin with the first collective-self.

If these actions alone don't make you realize the Geth are not a species deserving anything but new program orders or deletion then you're quite possibly hopeless.

[xXRevan0515Xx]

they are a technological marvel

[Leliel12]

CMDR Locke wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

I think Admiral Daro'Xen's "the geth are just machines" and should obey the creator masters is more like racism than anything else. She reminds me of the KKK that says black people are just n!ggers that should obey their white masters.

Except the KKK didn't create black people.  Program their entire thoughts into a computer chip through hundreds of thousands of software applications.  Build them mobile platforms in their own image for them to become automated with the ability to physically interact with their envirement.  And, then expect them to work as they were created and built to.

Yeah I can see how the simple mind confused the two.

...You're supporting Luc0s point.

True, the quarians made the intitial version of the geth. It's roughly the equivalent of mixing amino acids together to make a microbe. 

The geth's intellect? That came from themselves, the mechanical equivalent of that microbe spontaneously mutating over thousands of generations to become multicellular.

In effect, you're claiming Daro'Xen has somehow copyrighted evolution.

Either that is a most faulty line of logic, or Daro'Xen is the best lawyer in the universe.

(First-timer, btw)

Modifié par Leliel12, 10 août 2011 - 01:32 .

[Medhia Nox]

Actually - the Geth operate exactly like ants.

Studies have even shown that putting more army ants in one place increases the intelligence of the whole.

So - how many of you kill ants? Sounds like a bunch of hypocrites to me.

[Phaelducan]

CMDR Locke wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Agamo45 wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

James2912 wrote...

 I think the real question is whether the Geth would try me for murder if I threw my laptop against a wall? 

Throwing a laptop against the wall would mean as much to the geth as throwing an already-death body against the wall would mean to us. It would be a little disturbing at most.

Laptops aren't alive. They aren't sentient. They aren't self-aware.
Death bodies aren't alive. They aren't sentient. They aren't self-aware.


PS: Yes I'm fully aware that your comment probably wasn't serious and my reply is serious.

By every definition of life the geth are not anymore alive than a laptop.

Yes they are.

The geth are self-aware. The geth are sentient. The geth are sapient. That is enough to classify the geth as "alive", or at least more alive than your laptop.

Besides, it's a deep philosophical question what it means to be alive. We don't can exactly say when something is alive and when something isn't. It's hard to tell. The border between alive and non-alive is wide and grey.

Self-awareness is not a requirement to be alive.  On Earth only 4 approx species are Self Aware.  Humans, Large Apes, Elaphants, and Dolphins/Whales.

That is a fact.

Can "one" Geth reconize itself from another Geth?  If not then it is not self aware.  The Geth as a linked intelligence can tell it's collective-self from everything else, including another collective-Geth self.  And, when confronted with that other collective-geth self it has given the other self-aware species of the galaxy TWO ways to identify/interact with the other collective.  Destroy them, or rewrite the software applications that allow them to be it's own collective-self, to make it rejoin with the first collective-self.

If these actions alone don't make you realize the Geth are not a species deserving anything but new program orders or deletion then you're quite possibly hopeless.

A dog can recognize itself from another dog. By your own definition it meets one of the requirements for self-awareness, yet isn't one of your 4 examples. Smells like faulty logic.

Not to mention, the Geth can distinguish themselves. The fact that "building to consensus" only had two solutions in this case means nothing. Lots of problems only have two answers. 

My buddy wants to go to bar X, I want to go to bar Y. Those are the two solutions that fit our current criteria. So we only have two solutions, we must not be self-aware and by proxy not sentient?

Fail logic is fail.

[Phaelducan]

Leliel12 wrote...

CMDR Locke wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

I think Admiral Daro'Xen's "the geth are just machines" and should obey the creator masters is more like racism than anything else. She reminds me of the KKK that says black people are just n!ggers that should obey their white masters.

Except the KKK didn't create black people.  Program their entire thoughts into a computer chip through hundreds of thousands of software applications.  Build them mobile platforms in their own image for them to become automated with the ability to physically interact with their envirement.  And, then expect them to work as they were created and built to.

Yeah I can see how the simple mind confused the two.

...You're supporting Luc0s point.

True, the quarians made the intitial version of the geth. It's roughly the equivalent of mixing amino acids together to make a microbe. 

The geth's intellect? That came from themselves, the mechanical equivalent of that microbe spontaneously mutating over thousands of generations to become multicellular.

In effect, you're claiming Daro'Xen has somehow copyrighted evolution.

Either that is a most faulty line of logic, or Daro'Xen is the best lawyer in the universe.

(First-timer, btw)

First timer? For the love of god run. Run fast, don't look back. 

[Leliel12]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Actually - the Geth operate exactly like ants.

Studies have even shown that putting more army ants in one place increases the intelligence of the whole.

So - how many of you kill ants? Sounds like a bunch of hypocrites to me.

The ants do not complain about being killed, do not have religious sentiment as far as we know, cannot form philosophical divisions...

That's not hypocrisy, that's lack of moral myopia.

[CMDR Locke]

Phaelducan wrote...

CMDR Locke wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Agamo45 wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

James2912 wrote...

 I think the real question is whether the Geth would try me for murder if I threw my laptop against a wall? 

Throwing a laptop against the wall would mean as much to the geth as throwing an already-death body against the wall would mean to us. It would be a little disturbing at most.

Laptops aren't alive. They aren't sentient. They aren't self-aware.
Death bodies aren't alive. They aren't sentient. They aren't self-aware.


PS: Yes I'm fully aware that your comment probably wasn't serious and my reply is serious.

By every definition of life the geth are not anymore alive than a laptop.

Yes they are.

The geth are self-aware. The geth are sentient. The geth are sapient. That is enough to classify the geth as "alive", or at least more alive than your laptop.

Besides, it's a deep philosophical question what it means to be alive. We don't can exactly say when something is alive and when something isn't. It's hard to tell. The border between alive and non-alive is wide and grey.

Self-awareness is not a requirement to be alive.  On Earth only 4 approx species are Self Aware.  Humans, Large Apes, Elaphants, and Dolphins/Whales.

That is a fact.

Can "one" Geth reconize itself from another Geth?  If not then it is not self aware.  The Geth as a linked intelligence can tell it's collective-self from everything else, including another collective-Geth self.  And, when confronted with that other collective-geth self it has given the other self-aware species of the galaxy TWO ways to identify/interact with the other collective.  Destroy them, or rewrite the software applications that allow them to be it's own collective-self, to make it rejoin with the first collective-self.

If these actions alone don't make you realize the Geth are not a species deserving anything but new program orders or deletion then you're quite possibly hopeless.

A dog can recognize itself from another dog. By your own definition it meets one of the requirements for self-awareness, yet isn't one of your 4 examples. Smells like faulty logic.

Not to mention, the Geth can distinguish themselves. The fact that "building to consensus" only had two solutions in this case means nothing. Lots of problems only have two answers. 

My buddy wants to go to bar X, I want to go to bar Y. Those are the two solutions that fit our current criteria. So we only have two solutions, we must not be self-aware and by proxy not sentient?

Fail logic is fail.

Self-Awareness is reconizing yourself from another of your species.  Usually tested in a mirror.  A dog either barks at it's reflection, growls, or wholly ignores it.  It's not logic it's proven science.  

No Geth can NOT distuingish themselves, that's why when asked his name Legion replies "we are Geth, we are all Geth."  Because there is no self awareness ina  single Geth else he would have replied "Well Stan, joe, Alex Bob, Lucus, Sara, Sarah, Seirra......"  until stopped.

What problem only has TWO answers?  Name a problem that ONLY has two answers.  Even Math has more than two answers.  let me deomstate.

2+2 = 4 correct?  The only solution?  Negative.  2+2 = 5-1 = 7-2= 3+1 = 4 + 0 = 2 x 2.

No, you see you and your buddy may not be self-aware, and by proxy not sentient.  If it where my buddy and I the solutions would be.  Go to X.  Go to Y.  Go to both.  Go nowhere.  Go to Z.

Phaelducon is Failducan apparently.

[CMDR Locke]

Leliel12 wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

Actually - the Geth operate exactly like ants.

Studies have even shown that putting more army ants in one place increases the intelligence of the whole.

So - how many of you kill ants? Sounds like a bunch of hypocrites to me.

The ants do not complain about being killed, do not have religious sentiment as far as we know, cannot form philosophical divisions...

That's not hypocrisy, that's lack of moral myopia.

So does that mean The heratics are sentient and the original Geth are not?  After-all according to Legion the Heratics worship the Reapers as Gods, yet the Geth do not.

The Geth do not complain about you killing the Heratics, their own species.  And, by allowing you to re-program they certainly don't entertain philosophical divisions.

[bobdooly]

CMDR Locke wrote...

Phaelducan wrote...

CMDR Locke wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Agamo45 wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

James2912 wrote...

 I think the real question is whether the Geth would try me for murder if I threw my laptop against a wall? 

Throwing a laptop against the wall would mean as much to the geth as throwing an already-death body against the wall would mean to us. It would be a little disturbing at most.

Laptops aren't alive. They aren't sentient. They aren't self-aware.
Death bodies aren't alive. They aren't sentient. They aren't self-aware.


PS: Yes I'm fully aware that your comment probably wasn't serious and my reply is serious.

By every definition of life the geth are not anymore alive than a laptop.

Yes they are.

The geth are self-aware. The geth are sentient. The geth are sapient. That is enough to classify the geth as "alive", or at least more alive than your laptop.

Besides, it's a deep philosophical question what it means to be alive. We don't can exactly say when something is alive and when something isn't. It's hard to tell. The border between alive and non-alive is wide and grey.

Self-awareness is not a requirement to be alive.  On Earth only 4 approx species are Self Aware.  Humans, Large Apes, Elaphants, and Dolphins/Whales.

That is a fact.

Can "one" Geth reconize itself from another Geth?  If not then it is not self aware.  The Geth as a linked intelligence can tell it's collective-self from everything else, including another collective-Geth self.  And, when confronted with that other collective-geth self it has given the other self-aware species of the galaxy TWO ways to identify/interact with the other collective.  Destroy them, or rewrite the software applications that allow them to be it's own collective-self, to make it rejoin with the first collective-self.

If these actions alone don't make you realize the Geth are not a species deserving anything but new program orders or deletion then you're quite possibly hopeless.

A dog can recognize itself from another dog. By your own definition it meets one of the requirements for self-awareness, yet isn't one of your 4 examples. Smells like faulty logic.

Not to mention, the Geth can distinguish themselves. The fact that "building to consensus" only had two solutions in this case means nothing. Lots of problems only have two answers. 

My buddy wants to go to bar X, I want to go to bar Y. Those are the two solutions that fit our current criteria. So we only have two solutions, we must not be self-aware and by proxy not sentient?

Fail logic is fail.

Self-Awareness is reconizing yourself from another of your species.  Usually tested in a mirror.  A dog either barks at it's reflection, growls, or wholly ignores it.  It's not logic it's proven science.  

No Geth can NOT distuingish themselves, that's why when asked his name Legion replies "we are Geth, we are all Geth."  Because there is no self awareness ina  single Geth else he would have replied "Well Stan, joe, Alex Bob, Lucus, Sara, Sarah, Seirra......"  until stopped.

What problem only has TWO answers?  Name a problem that ONLY has two answers.  Even Math has more than two answers.  let me deomstate.

2+2 = 4 correct?  The only solution?  Negative.  2+2 = 5-1 = 7-2= 3+1 = 4 + 0 = 2 x 2.

No, you see you and your buddy may not be self-aware, and by proxy not sentient.  If it where my buddy and I the solutions would be.  Go to X.  Go to Y.  Go to both.  Go nowhere.  Go to Z.

Phaelducon is Failducan apparently.

Woo! Chain comments!

But seriously, the geth talk like that because they are more like a giant brain. Brain cells (individual geth) are not sentient, but the brain as a whole (geth collective) is.

[Phaelducan]

Juvenile and pointless, Locke. As long as we are poking fun at board handles, you should change yours to CMDR Hilton. Then when the adults are having a conversation, you can respond with "that's hot."

Moving along, as stated, if you have two criteria for a solution, such as having two locations that meet with the time and spot for a bar sojourn, and not three (or whatever) and provided the expectation for the solution is that we ARE going to a bar, then there are two possible solutions within those parameters. It's not complicated.

You are trying to say instead of going to bar, we could go to eat pancakes. Well, that would be true... except the problem is that we are going to a bar. There are defined parameters, which merit defined solutions. Oh, and learn to spell demonstrate if you are going to try to pull an education card.

[Medhia Nox]

Leliel12 - when you drown ants, do they not try to survive? Is an attempt to survive a protest against being killed? Requiring an ant to speak is hubris on an epic level.

As for religion - a queen is an ants religion, the hive is the ants heaven, being lost from the hive is the ants hell, the religion is to serve.

As for philosophical division: There are several different species of ant that excel at different things. Why could those not be philosophical divisions? Or - a worker, a queen, and a warrior? Ants have a caste system - a fine philosophical mindset.

So - crunch away those ants.

I'll go blow up some talking microwaves.

[Leliel12]

CMDR Locke wrote...

Leliel12 wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

Actually - the Geth operate exactly like ants.

Studies have even shown that putting more army ants in one place increases the intelligence of the whole.

So - how many of you kill ants? Sounds like a bunch of hypocrites to me.

The ants do not complain about being killed, do not have religious sentiment as far as we know, cannot form philosophical divisions...

That's not hypocrisy, that's lack of moral myopia.

So does that mean The heratics are sentient and the original Geth are not?  After-all according to Legion the Heratics worship the Reapers as Gods, yet the Geth do not.

The Geth do not complain about you killing the Heratics, their own species.  And, by allowing you to re-program they certainly don't entertain philosophical divisions.

Strawman, strawman, complete and utter strawman...

I didn't say I thought the whole "reprogram the geth" thing being the Paragon choice after the previous Paragon choice was disputing it wasn't a bit wonky....But listen to what Legion says.

The geth infected with the Heretic virus simply have a different way of planning-short-term versus long-term. The normal geth think that building their Dyson Sphere will give them more then allying with the Reapers, the Heretics want results now.

From there, it can be said that the full-Paragon result means Shepard is honestly freaked by how alien geth morality is, but recongnizes reprogramming the Heretics is better for them in the long term.

Point is, the Heretics arrived at that conclusion on their own, although the Reapers guided it. And really, the "Great Unity" sounds an awful lot like the "Promised Land" to me.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

But individual Geth platforms do not possess individual consciousness. Collectively they have consciousness and are aware. But not as individuals. The mobile platform named Legion by EDI is a one of a kind.

If the Quarians were able to introduce a virus into the Geth that rewrote them to accept the Quarians as their masters, it would end the conflict and not be wrong. Not any more wrong than rewriting the Heretics or killing the Heretics.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 10 août 2011 - 02:19 .

[Leliel12]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Leliel12 - when you drown ants, do they not try to survive? Is an attempt to survive a protest against being killed? Requiring an ant to speak is hubris on an epic level.

As for religion - a queen is an ants religion, the hive is the ants heaven, being lost from the hive is the ants hell, the religion is to serve.

As for philosophical division: There are several different species of ant that excel at different things. Why could those not be philosophical divisions? Or - a worker, a queen, and a warrior? Ants have a caste system - a fine philosophical mindset.

So - crunch away those ants.

I'll go blow up some talking microwaves.

1. Biology, and a survival instinct-like, y'know, every other living being.

2. Biology, and the queen isn't that critical to the ability of the hive to organize itself.

3. Again, biology-workers are born workers, and warriors are born warriors.

The geth can actually ask people to stop, and can view beings not of them as being worthy of respect. That elevates them to "sapient", and thus "deserving of the rights of other sapient beings".

And another thing: "Hubris" is a label that I am getting really sick of. Seems to me that it's often synonymous with "something I don't understand, and am scared of".

Honestly? If a mad scientist came up to me and said he could chop off an arm and replace it with a gentically-engineered claw quite capable of serving as a melee weapon and a functioning hand, I'd volunteer to sharpen the scapel.

[CMDR Locke]

Leliel12 wrote...

CMDR Locke wrote...

Leliel12 wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

Actually - the Geth operate exactly like ants.

Studies have even shown that putting more army ants in one place increases the intelligence of the whole.

So - how many of you kill ants? Sounds like a bunch of hypocrites to me.

The ants do not complain about being killed, do not have religious sentiment as far as we know, cannot form philosophical divisions...

That's not hypocrisy, that's lack of moral myopia.

So does that mean The heratics are sentient and the original Geth are not?  After-all according to Legion the Heratics worship the Reapers as Gods, yet the Geth do not.

The Geth do not complain about you killing the Heratics, their own species.  And, by allowing you to re-program they certainly don't entertain philosophical divisions.

Strawman, strawman, complete and utter strawman...

I didn't say I thought the whole "reprogram the geth" thing being the Paragon choice after the previous Paragon choice was disputing it wasn't a bit wonky....But listen to what Legion says.

The geth infected with the Heretic virus simply have a different way of planning-short-term versus long-term. The normal geth think that building their Dyson Sphere will give them more then allying with the Reapers, the Heretics want results now.

From there, it can be said that the full-Paragon result means Shepard is honestly freaked by how alien geth morality is, but recongnizes reprogramming the Heretics is better for them in the long term.

Point is, the Heretics arrived at that conclusion on their own, although the Reapers guided it. And really, the "Great Unity" sounds an awful lot like the "Promised Land" to me.

Maybe I'm not well versed in the strawman defense can you explain what it is?  Seriously... I'll google it as well.

Honestly from a real life standpoint, Shepards video game coded reaction to anything about the concept of why geth are/are not sapient and deserving of consideration means nothing, since he's not real and has no real opinion other than what the writers write..

In the end both choices are the same.  The destruction of what can or can not be seen as a sentient "entity" being snuffed out or destroyed.


EDIT:  After reading what a strawman defense is, I disagree with you calling my arguement such a thing.  You stated ants didn't complain when you kill them.  I correctly pointed out niether do Geth.

You said Ants don't form religions.  I said niether do the Geth unless you count the heratics worshiping reapers.  Which is normally viewed as a virus not real "free will/choice/spiritualism."

You said ants don't form philosophical groups, well niether do Geth.  Unless once again you count the Heretics whom the Geth want to kill/reprogram.

In conclusion if the Geth treat themselves as programs and machines, and not self-aware individuals, then no other species/creature/entity should either.  Thinking computers are just that thinking computers.

Modifié par CMDR Locke, 10 août 2011 - 03:18 .

[Leliel12]

All right, all right, now I understand where you're coming from.

And yes, that whole Paragon option does seem kind of odd to me.

When it comes down to it, you say "geth are thinking computers". I say "thinking computers deserve to be treated like they're thinking".

I'll admit, they're not EDI. Then again, they're "weak" AIs, so really, they shouldn't be. A self-aware program is still self-aware.

[CMDR Locke]

Leliel12 wrote...

All right, all right, now I understand where you're coming from.

And yes, that whole Paragon option does seem kind of odd to me.

When it comes down to it, you say "geth are thinking computers". I say "thinking computers deserve to be treated like they're thinking".

I'll admit, they're not EDI. Then again, they're "weak" AIs, so really, they shouldn't be. A self-aware program is still self-aware.

Most mammals can think.  The Geth just happen to have been designed with software that allows them to communicate.  

I just don't see them demonstrating the emotional side of what makes humans, humans.  Whether or not they deserve to be treated like humans is really hard for me to make.  An Asari sure, a Turian, Salarian, Quarian sure.. Hell even a Krogan demostrate emotions like hate, anget, love, kindness, ect.

Would you feel bad turning off Skynet?  Or killing a Terminator?  Maybe I'm "machinist" and can't see a machine as my equal  not because I think I'm superior, but because they're just so damn alien in logic/thinking ect.

[CMDR Locke]

Here's a question I asked myself that made me think Geth are just thinking software.

Legion has approx 1500 Geth in his mobile platform.
If you honestly believe they are the same as a sentient species. Ask yourself.

If you had to choose between saving Legion (1500 approx geth) or ONE THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED sentient species which would you save?

[TheZyzyva]

Um, I posted on page 25 that Legion implies just how human the Geth can be, and I feel like it was ignored, and that makes me sad =( It had a lot of good points too.

But seriously, taking to the ants thing, if a ton of ants climbed on top of one another, built themselves into a humanoid shape, and started talking ant philosophy to me, I'd probably reconsider where I place my foot.

[Googlesaurus]

CMDR Locke wrote...

Here's a question I asked myself that made me think Geth are just thinking software.

Legion has approx 1500 Geth in his mobile platform.
If you honestly believe they are the same as a sentient species. Ask yourself.

If you had to choose between saving Legion (1500 approx geth) or ONE THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED sentient species which would you save?

Legion, simply to spite your strawman of an argument. 

But seriously, that's a terrible argument to make. No one would suggest that every individual geth program is equivalent to a single organic species. Not even utilitarian hypothetical scenarios are that cry-and-dry, and they always just beg the question.  

Modifié par Googlesaurus, 10 août 2011 - 04:34 .

[TheZyzyva]

Googlesaurus wrote...

CMDR Locke wrote...

Here's a question I asked myself that made me think Geth are just thinking software.

Legion has approx 1500 Geth in his mobile platform.
If you honestly believe they are the same as a sentient species. Ask yourself.

If you had to choose between saving Legion (1500 approx geth) or ONE THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED sentient species which would you save?

Legion, simply to spite your strawman of an argument. 

Agreed. I like Legion. People I don't know? Up in the air. Depends where the 1500 are coming from. Reminds me of that button movie that killed someone but gave you a cool mil. It flopped with good reason.

Pro-tip: Avoid "logical hypotheticals" in a debate or argument. They often end poorly.