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[jbblue05]

Either the way post ME3 the Geth are f*cked.

Either destroyed by the Reapers and if they survive the galactic community is never going to trust AI's

The best overall option is for the Geth to be controlled or destroyed it will save more lives in the long run

[GodWood]

Inutaisho7996 wrote...
What makes the geth's free will and ability to think for themselves any less important than a human's, or turian's, or quarian's?

Nobody has free will

[Grumpy young man]

Any sentient machine can be considered by every right an abomination; lack of emotions, tireless, impossible to predict the next move, etc..
For example, in cartoon prequel of Matrix you have a nation of sentient machines calling themselves "Nation 01" petitioning to join UN. Were they accepted? Ofc not. Machine exist to serve its creator or it is to be destroyed.

[eternalnightmare13]

[quote]ISpeakTheTruth wrote...



[quote]HomelessGal wrote...

Xen actually does come off as somewhat ill, with the story about dissecting toys possible evidence of disturbed behavior. [/quote]


[/quote]

That's funny I'm pretty sure ripping a toy apart to see its insides is a sign of a sociopath. 
.[/quote]
Wrong. Tearing apart a toy for the hell of it, and not caring about the repercusions and understanding but not caring about the right/wrong of the situation,  torturing small animals would be a sign of sociopathic behavior.  Tearing apart a toy to see how it works is curiosity.  Thankfully, modern psychology doesn't take it's cues from you, otherwise there would be overpopulated psychiatric wards.  

[Inutaisho7996]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Inutaisho7996 wrote...

What makes the geth's free will and ability to think for themselves any less important than a human's, or turian's, or quarian's?

The fact that they are nothing more than lines of computer code.

So? You're nothing more than electricity passing between synapses.

[Bogsnot1]

The Geth have a greater chance of passing the Turing Test than half the posters on this forum.

[Luigitornado]

The Geth are basically the Frankenstein Monster.

[Bogsnot1]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Inutaisho7996 wrote...

So? You're nothing more than electricity passing between synapses.

Much more complex than simple computer code.

I'm a thinking, feeling being. A geth is not. Geth are just mathematical equations. They feel nothing, they are nothing.

Feelings are chemical reactions. Chemical reactions are mathematical equations.
Your logic fails.
Next.

[Inutaisho7996]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Inutaisho7996 wrote...

So? You're nothing more than electricity passing between synapses.

Much more complex than simple computer code.

I'm a thinking, feeling being. A geth is not. Geth are just mathematical equations. They feel nothing, they are nothing.

Then why did Legion partially fix itself with Shepard's armor? What mathematical calculation could have proven that to be rational? Rationally, it should have easily fixed the hole with something else long before it found Shepard's armor.

[marshalleck]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

The Geth have a greater chance of passing the Turing Test than half the posters on this forum.

Case in point.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Saphra Deden wrote...

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ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

So the majority of the Quarian people are idiots because they feel the same way about Reager's work?

What the hell are you talking about.

In any case. Xen is not a sociopath, she does not want to enslave a sentient species. Geth are not a sentient species. All they are is glitching computer programs.

FYI: the codex says a lot of things, some of which we the player know are in fact wrong.

Reveal Real's data to the Quarians and every single Quarian who talks to you about it has nothing but negative feelings about it from the most hardliners to the random Quarian conversations. Its suppose to show that what she wants is in a deep minority.

Yes they are, by every deffinition of the word they are sentient you're just being argumentative. Sentience is always and accident. I'll repeat Sentience is an accident that we were lucky enough to recieve. A specie happens to get smarter and smarter until they wake up its what happened to us its whatt happened to the Geth.

Name some of the wrong things in the codex. Humor me.

[marshalleck]

Saphra Deden wrote...

They can be described mathematically, but they are not purely mathematics.

I covered this in the last thread about geth (the one supposed to be about the Illusive Man).

A geth is not a real being, it has no mind. It's just a very convincing simulation.

How do I know you're a real mind, and not just a very convincing simulation?

(edit: I'm not a PHI 101 student trying to be clever, I am aware of some responses to this question, I'm just curious as to your thoughts on the matter)

Modifié par marshalleck, 31 juillet 2011 - 03:34 .

[Medhia Nox]

@ISpeakTheTruth - and why would enslaving a sentient species be worse than enslaving any other organism?

[Medhia Nox]

@marshalleck - Oohh, Descartes here he comes!

[marshalleck]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@marshalleck - Oohh, Descartes here he comes!

Hah. I just realized I was likely to elicit such a response. See edit please. 

[Bogsnot1]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Feelings are chemical reactions. Chemical reactions are mathematical equations.
Your logic fails.
Next.

They can be described mathematically, but they are not purely mathematics.

I covered this in the last thread about geth (the one supposed to be about the Illusive Man).

A geth is not a real being, it has no mind. It's just a very convincing simulation.

The only form of pure maths that exists, is maths itself. Programming does not fall into this category, as it was created by analogue, fleshy beings.
Geth evolution, is based upon the very basis of its initialprogramming, which was performed by, analogue, fleshy beings.

Then by your own logic, any Geth that is in a mobile platform, like Legion, becomes a real being, as an AI's personality is shaped by its hardware as much as its software.
The same as how your personality is shaped by both your hardware (body) and software (upbringing).
See my previous point about the Turing Test.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Saphra Deden wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

Reveal Real's data to the Quarians and every single Quarian who talks to you about it has nothing but negative feelings about it from the most hardliners to the random Quarian conversations. Its suppose to show that what she wants is in a deep minority.

An idea being unpopular does not make it wrong.

1) That was never my point, my point is that the massive majority of the Quarian people think its wrong. Which is what we were talking about.
2) History proves that its wrong. The Quarians tried reprograming the Geth when they had tech on the same level and had a great knowlege of how the Geth worked... now they're trying to do the same thing with second hand technology on the Geth who have advanced massively over the 300 years in ways the Quarians don't understand because they have virually no knowledge of the workings of the Geth save for a few half broken pieces. Xen will only succed in getting her people killed.

[marshalleck]

Saphra Deden wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

How do I know you're a real mind, and not just a very convincing simulation?

(edit: I'm not a PHI 101 student trying to be clever, I am aware of some responses to this question, I'm just curious as to your thoughts on the matter)

You can reasonably conclude that I am sentient being like you only if you meet me in person and and perform a physical examination that confirms I have all the same organs and structures. Same biology implies a similar outcome.

You'll never be 100% certain.

Well, that's essentially making the same materialist argument that Bog was. Additionally, if you were to engineer a machine that perfectly replicated every function of the human mind, what you would have is a genuine synthetic intelligence. Unless you would argue that the functions of the human mind do not constitute a real mind.

Modifié par marshalleck, 31 juillet 2011 - 03:43 .

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Organs and body parts don't determine sentience, the mind determines sentience. look up the definition of sentience you will find it never says anything about the make up of the body. They Geth (Or Legion to be specific) shows every form of sentience that any other being shows if you don't want to admit this than its your hang up.