He more than Cailen and Loghain seemed to put the fate of Ferelden above all. He was respectful enough to not annoy those in power, skilled enough to lead an army, and wise enough not to relish in unnecessary violence. I think if Duncan was somehow made king, he would have formed a plan to eliminate the darkspawn altogether, to stop the blights. He was good for the nation, and probably the only really selfless one.
Duncan would have made a good king
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Posté 31 juillet 2011 - 01:43
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I disagree, Duncan was about one thing and one thing alone, defeating the Darkspawn before his long walk, if you notice he doesn't really do anything other than select future Wardens and pass along messages from the king.
Don't mistake focused patience and single mindedness for leadership ability.
Don't mistake focused patience and single mindedness for leadership ability.
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Posté 01 août 2011 - 01:47
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People who take action usually don't make good kings. Duncan was no politician.
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Posté 01 août 2011 - 07:41
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Duncan had bigger concerns then Ferelden.
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Posté 01 août 2011 - 11:08
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Duncan's calling was premature IMO. he was like 17 when he became a Grey Warden and The Calling was like 15-20 years before Origins. According to Alistair the taint gives you around 30 years to live. The Architect and Remille's magic accelerated the progression of the taint during the Calling, which is probably why Dunan's came so soon.
Duncan wouldn't make a good king IMO. In Origins he was too afraid to assert his opinions and say what needed to be said for fear of upsetting Cailan.
A good king is someone who cares about his people, rules his kingdom fairly, and doesn't let others rule him. Duncan cares yes, but he's too worried about pleasing others.
Duncan wouldn't make a good king IMO. In Origins he was too afraid to assert his opinions and say what needed to be said for fear of upsetting Cailan.
A good king is someone who cares about his people, rules his kingdom fairly, and doesn't let others rule him. Duncan cares yes, but he's too worried about pleasing others.
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Posté 02 août 2011 - 12:33
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The Grey Nayr wrote...
Duncan's calling was premature IMO. he was like 17 when he became a Grey Warden and The Calling was like 15-20 years before Origins. According to Alistair the taint gives you around 30 years to live. The Architect and Remille's magic accelerated the progression of the taint during the Calling, which is probably why Dunan's came so soon.
Duncan wouldn't make a good king IMO. In Origins he was too afraid to assert his opinions and say what needed to be said for fear of upsetting Cailan.
A good king is someone who cares about his people, rules his kingdom fairly, and doesn't let others rule him. Duncan cares yes, but he's too worried about pleasing others.
Well Duncan isnt exactly in an easy position. He cannot afford to make enemies. The grey wardens have some...nasty history in Ferelden and their order is pretty small. Yes he could have done a better job and Cailan might have listened to him if he had just tried, but still. He is in a position that he must consider very carefully his words and actions if he wants to succeed.
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Posté 02 août 2011 - 04:59
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The Grey Nayr wrote...
Duncan's calling was premature IMO. he was like 17 when he became a Grey Warden and The Calling was like 15-20 years before Origins. According to Alistair the taint gives you around 30 years to live. The Architect and Remille's magic accelerated the progression of the taint during the Calling, which is probably why Dunan's came so soon.
Duncan wouldn't make a good king IMO. In Origins he was too afraid to assert his opinions and say what needed to be said for fear of upsetting Cailan.
A good king is someone who cares about his people, rules his kingdom fairly, and doesn't let others rule him. Duncan cares yes, but he's too worried about pleasing others.
Cept Duncan was immune to the accelerated taint magic because of the magic dagger he stole.
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Posté 02 août 2011 - 06:02
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Well I'm not quite finished with the book yet.
Also what's Fiona's excuse? If I heard right she becomes completely untainted.
Also what's Fiona's excuse? If I heard right she becomes completely untainted.
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Posté 02 août 2011 - 06:14
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The Grey Nayr wrote...
Well I'm not quite finished with the book yet.
Also what's Fiona's excuse? If I heard right she becomes completely untainted.
sorry for spoilers then.
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Posté 04 août 2011 - 10:02
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Cyne wrote...
He more than Cailen and Loghain seemed to put the fate of Ferelden above all. He was respectful enough to not annoy those in power, skilled enough to lead an army, and wise enough not to relish in unnecessary violence. I think if Duncan was somehow made king, he would have formed a plan to eliminate the darkspawn altogether, to stop the blights. He was good for the nation, and probably the only really selfless one.
Nah. Duncan is only a warrior; kings need to be warriors and politicians. I'm sure Duncan has his own political beliefs; but being a Grey Warden, he would always put the darkspawn first, and while darkspawn may be a pressing concern, so are the needs of the kingdom. I'm not even sure he would form a plan to eliminate darkspawn completely: if he can't do it as a Warden he is certainly not going to do it as king. Not to mention the fact that Wardens are supposed to be politically neutral, so he couldn't be king anyway, although this does seem to be a 'do as I say not as I do' ideal, especially if the Warden marries Anora or Alistair or chooses a political boon (bann of the alienage, teryn of Gwaren or chancellor).
I'm not sure he's particularly selfless either: he would probably ditch Ferelden if he thought it was doomed in order to defend other nations, whereas a good king would fight to the end to save his realm. Which is, contrary to what you say, what Cailin and Loghain would've done. They would probably be sidetracked by various other concerns, as Loghain was with Orlais, but nevertheless; and it's not exactly rocket science to raise an army to fight darkspawn while keeping back a few thousand as insurance against whatever threat Loghain believes Orlais poses.
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Posté 24 août 2011 - 10:38
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I'm not sure Duncan's even a particularly brilliant leader as a Grey Warden, let alone as a king. It's only because of Cailan's request that he doesn't put ALL the Grey Wardens in Ferelden into the battle at Ostagar. Given that a Warden is needed to kill the Archdemon, wouldn't it make sense to hold some of them back, in case the battle is a disaster? I suppose you can argue that he's expecting reinforcements from Orlais, but it still seems to me that holding back some reserves would be wise.
Secondly, if Riordan's notions have any truth to them, placing all the Wardens together at the front line is a very bad idea if the Archdemon shows up at Ostagar. If they're all gathered in one place, the Archdemon will stay away from them, and focus the darkspawn horde on destroying them. Bad tactics. Also, shouldn't he mention the body-jumping property of the Archdemon to Loghain and Cailan,if it's not killed by a Warden. It would seem to be rather important for them to know in planning strategy. I suppose you could argue that Duncan knows the Archdemon isn't that close and won't be at the Battle of Ostagar, but if that's the case, it seems all the more important to hold some Wardens in reserve for the later battle that really matters.
Secondly, if Riordan's notions have any truth to them, placing all the Wardens together at the front line is a very bad idea if the Archdemon shows up at Ostagar. If they're all gathered in one place, the Archdemon will stay away from them, and focus the darkspawn horde on destroying them. Bad tactics. Also, shouldn't he mention the body-jumping property of the Archdemon to Loghain and Cailan,if it's not killed by a Warden. It would seem to be rather important for them to know in planning strategy. I suppose you could argue that Duncan knows the Archdemon isn't that close and won't be at the Battle of Ostagar, but if that's the case, it seems all the more important to hold some Wardens in reserve for the later battle that really matters.
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Posté 24 août 2011 - 10:57
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Actually, I got the feeling that Duncan was banking on the Archdemon showing itself during the battle of Ostagar in the first place - and that is why he had all of Ferelden's Wardens in the battle.
It could also be that he was simply following Cailan's orders - it was per Cailan's request that all of the Grey Wardens attend and fight on the front lines, no?
That said, Duncan capitulating to Cailan's orders without considering the consequences as he did means he's not very suitable to be king at all - and it calls his ability to lead the Wardens into question, as well. He might be a skilled warrior and a great judge of character, but risking the entirety of the order on a chance that the Archdemon might appear (and capitulating to Cailan's whims so quickly and easily) is unbecoming of a strong leader.
And Loghain may be a military tactician without equal - but he is far from being a good politician. I suspect Howe was actually the one devising and coordinating most of the political affairs during Loghain's reign.
The best ruler of Ferelden is Anora, overall. She's a strong and capable enough leader - much moreso than any of the other candidates, I think. I always put her on the throne in all of my playthroughs - either alone, with my Warden, or with Alistair.
It could also be that he was simply following Cailan's orders - it was per Cailan's request that all of the Grey Wardens attend and fight on the front lines, no?
That said, Duncan capitulating to Cailan's orders without considering the consequences as he did means he's not very suitable to be king at all - and it calls his ability to lead the Wardens into question, as well. He might be a skilled warrior and a great judge of character, but risking the entirety of the order on a chance that the Archdemon might appear (and capitulating to Cailan's whims so quickly and easily) is unbecoming of a strong leader.
And Loghain may be a military tactician without equal - but he is far from being a good politician. I suspect Howe was actually the one devising and coordinating most of the political affairs during Loghain's reign.
The best ruler of Ferelden is Anora, overall. She's a strong and capable enough leader - much moreso than any of the other candidates, I think. I always put her on the throne in all of my playthroughs - either alone, with my Warden, or with Alistair.
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Posté 25 août 2011 - 03:39
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I don't think that Duncan wasn't considering the consequences-it's just that he can't really argue with the king of Ferelden, especially since the Wardens are still on shaky ground since they've only been recently let back into the country. Calian may be all starry-eyed about them, but I suspect he wouldn't put up with Duncan flat-out refusing to follow his orders.
If the king says all the Grey Wardens-with the exception of the newest recruit and Alistair, his half-brother and a potential heir to the throne should things go very badly-need to be in the front line, than the Grey Wardens have to be in the front line. Duncan didn't have much choice.
I'm not sure how he could mention the body-jumping bit without telling Loghain and Cailian about the Wardens being tainted in what is basically a blood magic ritual. That would not go over well.
If the king says all the Grey Wardens-with the exception of the newest recruit and Alistair, his half-brother and a potential heir to the throne should things go very badly-need to be in the front line, than the Grey Wardens have to be in the front line. Duncan didn't have much choice.
I'm not sure how he could mention the body-jumping bit without telling Loghain and Cailian about the Wardens being tainted in what is basically a blood magic ritual. That would not go over well.
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Posté 25 août 2011 - 03:54
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He didn't need to flat-out refuse to cooperate with the king - and no good Grey Warden would ever do such a thing, since their sole goal is to fight and crush the darkspawn at any cost.
However, sending all of Ferelden's Wardens to fight what was ultimately a futile battle was simply unwise on his part. I somehow doubt Cailan knew just how many Wardens were in Ferelden at the time - if I were Duncan, I would have... "forgotten" at least a few of them, if you get what I mean.
Not that it mattered, in the end - Loghain outlawed the Grey Wardens and placed bounties on them after pulling out of Ostagar, so it may very well have made no difference that the majority of them perished.
EDIT: This is also assuming that Cailan couldn't be reasoned with to leave a few Grey Wardens behind, in case the worst should happen.
However, sending all of Ferelden's Wardens to fight what was ultimately a futile battle was simply unwise on his part. I somehow doubt Cailan knew just how many Wardens were in Ferelden at the time - if I were Duncan, I would have... "forgotten" at least a few of them, if you get what I mean.
Not that it mattered, in the end - Loghain outlawed the Grey Wardens and placed bounties on them after pulling out of Ostagar, so it may very well have made no difference that the majority of them perished.
EDIT: This is also assuming that Cailan couldn't be reasoned with to leave a few Grey Wardens behind, in case the worst should happen.
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Posté 25 août 2011 - 06:53
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Except that Duncan already knew before the Blight was official he was about to die, hence he was planning on going to his Calling.
Shortest reign ever.
Shortest reign ever.
