whykikyouwhy wrote...
This may not be the most concrete theory (it's early, I need more coffee, etc), but do you think that the lyrium idol/relic could have contained, or been empowered by, the essence of a magister? That might explain how it "spoke" to both Bartrand and Meredith - appealed to their darkest desires, their more negative traits, their deep fears.
Perhaps a magister was in the thaig to enter the Golden-Black City (calling it both, just in case) and was somehow imprisoned in the relic, or trapped himself there as a means os preservation. The evil that radiated from the idol afterwards essentially confined and wiped out the denizens of the thaig. The profane may be dwarves or elves or some beings that, while trapped, were forced to eat pieces of the idol (we know Bartrand was feeding chunks of it to his servants - we just don't know what would have become of them decades or centuries afterwards).
Just a wild theory. Seems that if the Primeval Thaig is involved as some sort of threshold to the City, the idol played a part in some way, shape or form.
Hmm, that's certainly a possibility. I'm a firm believer that the idol was sentient. As you say, Bartrand and Meredith both talked to it as if having a conversation. Bartrand we know for a fact thought the idol was telling him things, such as wanting to be worshiped. Considering how fast that chip of it affected Varric, I've often wondered whether Bartrand stole the damned (literally) thing of his own accord or if that was its first influence. But I guess that's another topic.
I think you may be onto something. The idol clearly held some grand malevolent force but none of the ones we knew about seemed to fit. Now that we know about the magisters... that makes sense. Especially if the dwarven/elven alliance tried to imprison one because they couldn't kill it, like the Wardens did Corypheus. And they seem to be introducing us to the tainted magisters. First the Architect, then Corypheus. There's three left unaccounted for. And since the Architect doesn't work with another being like him, I think he's likely the only one "on the loose" (at least until Hawke tarded up Corypheus' prison). We realized the Architect was a magister (although some still don't believe it, but I don't know why, it's blindingly obvious he was the same thing as Corypheus) a while after dealing with him. They could've pulled the wool over our eyes twice with the second one being the idol.
One thing I do wonder now that we know about the connection between the Black City and the darkspawn... if the corruption is native to the Fade, why do Fade creatures not know anything about it? Avernus mentioned when fighting demons that "blood magic came from demons, they could counter every bit of lore I know. But the taint... that is alien to them." Likewise, Justice seemed to know nothing of the subject when met in Awakening. And the codex says that even the most powerful demons won't go near the Black City. Let that sink into your minds for a moment. Pride demons, who by their very nature are unfathomably arrogant even for their immense power, refuse to go near the place. What the hell? But if they're frightened of it, it shouldn't be alien and unknown to them. If there's reason for them to fear it, they must know something... but they don't. I don't have any theories on this, I just had to get it out. It's... bizarre.
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