I doubt inbreeding will ever be considered "okay"
Not even the quarians wants it.
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Posté 09 février 2012 - 09:41
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Right, like I said, there's always a social stigma to inbreeding. What I meant with it being "okay" is that genetic modification eliminates all the negative aspects of inbreeding, making it "okay" from a biological perspective i.e it ceases being dangerous. People would still be understandably "eeeew" about knocking up their relatives thanks to the Westermarck Effect (and thank god for that!).Someone With Mass wrote...
I doubt inbreeding will ever be considered "okay"
Not even the quarians wants it.
But that's where you have to weigh the options you've got:
1) Save your species through genetic modification and selective and inbreeding (for the sake of reduced ickiness, all the "action" can take place in a lab in a bunch of vials as opposed to the makeshift bed in Fritzl's cellar).
2) Condemn yourself and your species to certain extinction.
What would Prothy choose? I honestly don't know myself. I'd like for him to have hope for his species, but I don't think it's that easy.
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Posté 09 février 2012 - 10:00
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"I am the rage of a dead nation" (not exact quote, but willwork) - is a quote of a person who's at peace that his nation died, and does not want it back.
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Posté 09 février 2012 - 10:29
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The exact quote is "I am the anger of a dead people, demanding blood be spilled for the blood we lost."LTiberious wrote...
"I am the rage of a dead nation" (not exact quote, but willwork) - is a quote of a person who's at peace that his nation died, and does not want it back.
And you can't say he's at peace with the death of his people - if that was the case, why would he crave revenge? If he's so emotional about wanting to bring the Reapers to justice for killing his people, would he not be equally emotional about the chance to bring them back?
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Posté 09 février 2012 - 10:32
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Sun-Tzu said
A kingdom that has once been destroyed can never come again into being; nor can the dead ever be brought back to life.
But lets put it this way
They are dead. Thats a fact. But i must avenge them.
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Easier?
A kingdom that has once been destroyed can never come again into being; nor can the dead ever be brought back to life.
But lets put it this way
They are dead. Thats a fact. But i must avenge them.
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Easier?
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Posté 09 février 2012 - 10:40
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he does look awesome imo i cant wait to have prothy on the team they have alot of pics of him in the new mass effect art book!!! 
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Posté 09 février 2012 - 10:46
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No, but a new one can be built on the ruins of the old and be populated by new generations, and be built to last longer where the old did not.LTiberious wrote...
Sun-Tzu said
A kingdom that has once been destroyed can never come again into being; nor can the dead ever be brought back to life.
"If hope is a weapon in this cycle, then it is a weapon we must wield."
Must avenge them? Why? It's not like they will give him a pat on the back and go "Hey, thanks for avenging us, real nice of you to stay alive for 50k years and maintain that bloodlust all that time. Really appreciate it, man."LTiberious wrote...
But lets put it this way
They are dead. Thats a fact. But i must avenge them.
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Easier?
He's doing it because it means something to him. Regret. Rage. Sadness. All that emotional jazz.
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Posté 09 février 2012 - 11:08
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He.created.a.reason.for.himself.
And the reason is revenge. Not repopulation,recreation etc.
And dammit, never should the death be brought back to life
And the reason is revenge. Not repopulation,recreation etc.
And dammit, never should the death be brought back to life
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Posté 09 février 2012 - 11:44
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LTiberious wrote...
"I am the rage of a dead nation" (not exact quote, but willwork) - is a quote of a person who's at peace that his nation died, and does not want it back.
What is the exact quote????
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Posté 09 février 2012 - 11:45
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Mayhem br wrote...
LTiberious wrote...
"I am the rage of a dead nation" (not exact quote, but willwork) - is a quote of a person who's at peace that his nation died, and does not want it back.
What is the exact quote????
I am the anger of a dead people
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My sounds better.
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Posté 09 février 2012 - 12:00
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And how exactly does this justify him not giving a sh!t about trying to bring back his species if it turns out to be possible?LTiberious wrote...
He.created.a.reason.for.himself.
Those are not mutually exclusive. Once the Reapers are dead, he's gotta have something to do. Might as well try and do what he can to restore his people, if it turns out to be possible. It might not.LTiberious wrote...
And the reason is revenge. Not repopulation,recreation etc.
We're not talking Lazarus Projecting his entire species here, but rebuilding it. And if that's what you mean, well, that's just like, your opinion, man.LTiberious wrote...
And dammit, never should the death be brought back to life
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Posté 09 février 2012 - 12:03
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I think he knows that the Prothean empire will never return to the strength it once had. Probably why he wouldn't see the point in it.
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Posté 09 février 2012 - 12:04
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Arcian wrote...
And how exactly does this justify him not giving a sh!t about trying to bring back his species if it turns out to be possible?LTiberious wrote...
He.created.a.reason.for.himself.Those are not mutually exclusive. Once the Reapers are dead, he's gotta have something to do. Might as well try and do what he can to restore his people, if it turns out to be possible. It might not.LTiberious wrote...
And the reason is revenge. Not repopulation,recreation etc.We're not talking Lazarus Projecting his entire species here, but rebuilding it. And if that's what you mean, well, that's just like, your opinion, man.LTiberious wrote...
And dammit, never should the death be brought back to life
Because he is fine with his nation being dead. They are different paths, the creation and revenge.
They are dead for him, and i repeat - the dead shall not be brought to life. He is alone, and he is fine with that. (there goes my ****ed up logic again)
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Well, what reasons should he have to rebuild the nation, anyways?
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Posté 09 février 2012 - 12:18
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I'm not sure I'm okay with you taking liberties with deciding what he's fine with and not, especially considering we haven't seen the end result of his writing.LTiberious wrote...
Arcian wrote...
And how exactly does this justify him not giving a sh!t about trying to bring back his species if it turns out to be possible?LTiberious wrote...
He.created.a.reason.for.himself.Those are not mutually exclusive. Once the Reapers are dead, he's gotta have something to do. Might as well try and do what he can to restore his people, if it turns out to be possible. It might not.LTiberious wrote...
And the reason is revenge. Not repopulation,recreation etc.We're not talking Lazarus Projecting his entire species here, but rebuilding it. And if that's what you mean, well, that's just like, your opinion, man.LTiberious wrote...
And dammit, never should the death be brought back to life
Because he is fine with his nation being dead.
Still, not mutually exclusive.LTiberious wrote...
They are different paths, the creation and revenge.
Not the nation, his people. The prothean empire will never rise again, but that does not mean his species should stay extinct if the possibility to save it exists.LTiberious wrote...
They are dead for him, and i repeat - the dead shall not be brought to life. He is alone, and he is fine with that. (there goes my ****ed up logic again)
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Well, what reasons should he have to rebuild the nation, anyways?
Sure, but just because the Prothean empire will never exist again doesn't mean there shouldn't be protheans in the galaxy. Besides, he even admits the Empire was at fault and that the system of the current cycle is much better.Someone With Mass wrote...
I think he knows that the Prothean empire will never return to the strength it once had. Probably why he wouldn't see the point in it.
And whether or not he will see a point in it... I think this will be an issue of how Shepard steers him in the game, even if the end canon result may and probably will not be rebuilding his species. From what I've read myself, it seems like he discovers an appreciation for life if you steer him towards Paragon.
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Posté 09 février 2012 - 12:20
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Okay, lets put it this way.
Why should he? There is no reason for him to do so in my view
Why should he? There is no reason for him to do so in my view
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Posté 09 février 2012 - 12:30
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In your view, yes. Your view and Prothy's view aren't necessarily the same.LTiberious wrote...
Okay, lets put it this way.
Why should he? There is no reason for him to do so in my view
If he owed it to his people to stay alive for 50,000 years in order to fight the Reapers all on his own, would he not also owe it to his people to continue their legacy and keep the voice of the prothean people alive if the possibility to do so presented itself? Why would he choose to be the last of his kind and bring the final end to the prothean people if another option existed?
Feels about as stupid to reject a hypothetical new scientific method to regrow your hand after losing it, "just because". It's not going to be the exact same hand, sure, but it's going to be a hand instead of a void.
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Posté 09 février 2012 - 12:34
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Okay.
Liara: Yes, I've always wondered. What sort of government did you have? What were your religious beliefs? What kind of-
Prothean: We are dead now. What does it matter?
Liara: Yes, I've always wondered. What sort of government did you have? What were your religious beliefs? What kind of-
Prothean: We are dead now. What does it matter?
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Posté 09 février 2012 - 12:51
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Have to say though, "The last prothean" will make a great story. But there are excuses to continue the prothean lineage, and someone might even be able to persuade him to do just that. Can also see a more sociopathic version of Liara forcing that on him even, lol, taking all the knowledge and genetic material needed. ._.
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Posté 09 février 2012 - 12:56
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Wow. Really, LT? We're discussing a hypothetical development of events after the game where the possibility of rebuilding his species exists, and you use a quote taken from the game in a context where no such solution exists to disprove my theory of what may take place after the game.LTiberious wrote...
Okay.
Liara: Yes, I've always wondered. What sort of government did you have? What were your religious beliefs? What kind of-
Prothean: We are dead now. What does it matter?
I mean, seriously - did you think this through at all?
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Posté 09 février 2012 - 01:06
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Arcian wrote...
Wow. Really, LT? We're discussing a hypothetical development of events after the game where the possibility of rebuilding his species exists, and you use a quote taken from the game in a context where no such solution exists to disprove my theory of what may take place after the game.LTiberious wrote...
Okay.
Liara: Yes, I've always wondered. What sort of government did you have? What were your religious beliefs? What kind of-
Prothean: We are dead now. What does it matter?
I mean, seriously - did you think this through at all?
Arcy, to be honest, i am using my life experience as a basis for my judjement. (The one i used in telling how will Prothy looks)
Okay, lets put it this way.
Counting that Prothy is a living thing, and has a living mindset. We can assume that he may wish to do anything, be that babies, pony farming or even a king to the Hanar.
Yes, that is a fact that i may not dissaprove. But its hard for me to see someone, who has Prothy's life philosophy , to wish for babies. Propably because i havent observed that IRL (and i observed a ****load of people).
I beg pardon, for not putting this up straight away
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Posté 09 février 2012 - 01:10
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Even if you brought back his race, would that be a good idea? They were a social darwinistic race that had conquered the galaxy prior to this cycle, what would stop them from trying to do that again once they amass enough power? Small group of them already tried to present themselves as "gods" and take power that way, through social manipulation.
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Posté 09 février 2012 - 01:11
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Armass81 wrote...
Even if you brought back his race, would that be a good idea? They were a social darwinistic race that had conquered the galaxy prior to this cycle, what would stop them from trying to do that again once they amass enough power?
Them protheans sound like Herr Hitler and his band of N4zis.
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Posté 09 février 2012 - 01:19
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Lol a dp.. Finally. Never got this lucky b4
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Posté 09 février 2012 - 01:21
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Lmao haha.. A very dedicated team of pro-scientists can definitely produce a dozen genetically diverse enough prothean babies from prothy alone, maybe even through altering some junk DNA and other non-vital genetic features. Miranda's father did that barely years after Charon relay(but it's all his own genes though)
But that's going to require a lot of funding, genetic modification is illegal, prothy doesn't seem like the attention-seeking type..
Err, then again, no real obstacles to a new prothean nation 50k after their prime. Unless there's something really special about prothean DNA, or somehow cryo f***ed up prothy or something. Idk
EDIT: I meant, tangible obstacles. Skipped a couple of posts and now I see u're arguing moral and ethics. O_O cya
But that's going to require a lot of funding, genetic modification is illegal, prothy doesn't seem like the attention-seeking type..
Err, then again, no real obstacles to a new prothean nation 50k after their prime. Unless there's something really special about prothean DNA, or somehow cryo f***ed up prothy or something. Idk
EDIT: I meant, tangible obstacles. Skipped a couple of posts and now I see u're arguing moral and ethics. O_O cya
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Posté 09 février 2012 - 02:16
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That's not something that's hardwired into their genes, you know. If that was true, Sweden's population would be clamoring for the powers that be to bring back the old days of the Swedish Empire during the 16th and 17th centuries.Armass81 wrote...
Even if you brought back his race, would that be a good idea? They were a social darwinistic race that had conquered the galaxy prior to this cycle, what would stop them from trying to do that again once they amass enough power? Small group of them already tried to present themselves as "gods" and take power that way, through social manipulation.
We don't, obviously.
And really, if we're going to go down this route of debate, we could argue why we let any species exist - even our own - since each and every one of them could potentially pose a threat to galactic stability.
I'm personally going to give them the chance if the opportunity even presents itself in the game. They are not animals who cannot ignore their nature, but intelligent beings who make a choice. Of course, you can just go renegade and kill them all if the idea frightens you.
EDIT: Forgot to say this earlier, but the reason they wanted to "play god" with the lesser species was not because they were hungry for power, but because they needed a reliable way to unite the galaxy for the next Reaper invasion.
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