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S.A.K wrote...

stysiaq wrote...

Well, Arcian seems not half as obsessed with Prothean squadmate as some of the users are with Kaidans anus.

I think Prothean squadmate is quite impossible and could be a little bit silly; No being would be in a shape and condition to fight after (presumably) spending millenia in cryo-stasis. However, he would be awesome and climatic member of ME3 Normandy crew, something like an expert on the whole Reaper situation.

Agree. I didn't mean obsessed thing in a bad way. But living protheans are anti-climatic for the story line because one of the main plot points is the total destruction of the protheans by the reapers.


It was also said that Prothean husks died out as well.

Then we got Collectors.
Nobody complained.

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S.A.K wrote...

But living protheans are anti-climatic for the story line because one of the main plot points is the total destruction of the protheans by the reapers.

The IMPLIED total destruction of the protheans. Vigil wasn't omniscient. If there were other secret prothean projects out there, Vigil and the team on Ilos were unaware of them. Also, Vigil didn't know what happened to the Conduit Project team after they went to the Citadel. It merely assumed they starved, and an assumption is not evidence in of itself.

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Napisano 01 sierpień 2011 - 12:06

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Arcian wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

But living protheans are anti-climatic for the story line because one of the main plot points is the total destruction of the protheans by the reapers.

The IMPLIED total destruction of the protheans. Vigil wasn't omniscient. If there were other secret prothean projects out there, Vigil and the team on Ilos were unaware of them. Also, Vigil didn't know what happened to the Conduit Project team after they went to the Citadel. It merely assumed they starved, and an assumption is not evidence in of itself.

I didn't say its imposible. Just that it would be bad writing from BW if they suddenly make protheans return. If some of them survived(about 10 if I remember correctly) where were they for the last 50000 years? But if BW can bring them back with a cool explanation, I would love to see them.

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S.A.K wrote...

Arcian wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

But living protheans are anti-climatic for the story line because one of the main plot points is the total destruction of the protheans by the reapers.

The IMPLIED total destruction of the protheans. Vigil wasn't omniscient. If there were other secret prothean projects out there, Vigil and the team on Ilos were unaware of them. Also, Vigil didn't know what happened to the Conduit Project team after they went to the Citadel. It merely assumed they starved, and an assumption is not evidence in of itself.

I didn't say its imposible. Just that it would be bad writing from BW if they suddenly make protheans return.

Without a good explanation, yeah, then it would be bad. But I trust them to make it believeable. After all, they managed to make Legion believable despite the geth being universally known as enemies before ME2's release. And people thought that the idea of a geth as a squadmate was "lore-breaking" as well, but that turned out alright.

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If some of them survived(about 10 if I remember correctly) where were they for the last 50000 years?

You're talking about the Ilos team, of which only 12 (the head scientists) survived. If they survived, they have done so on the Citadel, probably taking refuge in some part of the inner Citadel where the Keepers hang out and where cryo-technology is readily available.

Just to clarify, I don't believe the prothean character from the N7 Edition DLC is from the Ilos team. I think he or she is part of the team on Mars, who studied humans and tried to protect us from the relay by icing the Sol Relay, among other things.

S.A.K wrote...

But if BW can bring them back with a cool explanation, I would love to see them.

Cool! I like people who keep an open mind to things. :D

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Napisano 01 sierpień 2011 - 12:19

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S.A.K wrote...

Arcian wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

But living protheans are anti-climatic for the story line because one of the main plot points is the total destruction of the protheans by the reapers.

The IMPLIED total destruction of the protheans. Vigil wasn't omniscient. If there were other secret prothean projects out there, Vigil and the team on Ilos were unaware of them. Also, Vigil didn't know what happened to the Conduit Project team after they went to the Citadel. It merely assumed they starved, and an assumption is not evidence in of itself.

I didn't say its imposible. Just that it would be bad writing from BW if they suddenly make protheans return. If some of them survived(about 10 if I remember correctly) where were they for the last 50000 years? But if BW can bring them back with a cool explanation, I would love to see them.



Eh, check the blog for long version.

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Napisano 01 sierpień 2011 - 12:44

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Arcian wrote...
From examining the evidence from Ilos, it is very likely that the protheans knew of the Reapers before the invasion. They started many projects to try and stop them. They also had a backup plan in case the Reapers attacked before they were ready, which involved building massive cryo-centrals below the project facilities.

How do you come to the conclusion that this is "very likely". I see the opposite - that the Protheans were completely surprised by the attack.

I would very much like to encounter a living Prothean in ME2, and I can imagine a Prothean surviving the millenia somewhere. There can be several reasons for that, and be it only that some Protheans, knowing cryotechnology, were so curious about the future that they let themselves put to sleep.

But advance knowledge of the Reapers? There is not a single remote hint in our information about the Protheans to suggest that. As for humans, there is evidence that the Protheans observed humans. But that is all. It's far more likely that humans were objects of study to them, not more than the most intelligent animal species we study are to us.

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Napisano 01 sierpień 2011 - 12:52

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^Question.

Why did Prothean called them Reapers only moments after their destruction?
That's really quick for them to give Reapers a name.

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Napisano 01 sierpień 2011 - 12:56

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Ieldra2 wrote...

Arcian wrote...
From examining the evidence from Ilos, it is very likely that the protheans knew of the Reapers before the invasion. They started many projects to try and stop them. They also had a backup plan in case the Reapers attacked before they were ready, which involved building massive cryo-centrals below the project facilities.

How do you come to the conclusion that this is "very likely". I see the opposite - that the Protheans were completely surprised by the attack.

Knowing that an attack will happen is not the same thing as knowing when, how and where it will happen, and what to do about it. All they really could do was to try and cover all their bases, which in the end wasn't enough.

Also, my conclusion was inspired by this thread by Mimaz98 on the Steam forums. The part you're interested in is the Prothean Legacy section.

Ieldra2 wrote...

I would very much like to encounter a living Prothean in ME2, and I can imagine a Prothean surviving the millenia somewhere. There can be several reasons for that, and be it only that some Protheans, knowing cryotechnology, were so curious about the future that they let themselves put to sleep.

Well, they were certainly advanced enough. But the presence of cryo-chambers below Ilos indicates that the protheans were aware that the planet may be endangered. Surely not by other spacefaring species, as there were none. The only real conclusion is that they found archeological evidence of a recurring extinction event, and came to the conclusion that the next "cycle" of said event was drawing near.

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But advance knowledge of the Reapers? There is not a single remote hint in our information about the Protheans to suggest that.

It is there, between the lines. I really suggest you read the steam thread I posted above.

Ieldra2 wrote...

As for humans, there is evidence that the Protheans observed humans. But that is all. It's far more likely that humans were objects of study to them, not more than the most intelligent animal species we study are to us.

Of course we were objects of study to them, but as the protheans were the only species capable of spaceflight at the time, they came to see themselves as "stewards" of the galaxy, which included protecting less advanced species and, if necessary, helping them along.

After all, the sole reason the protheans on Ilos went through what they did was so that they could protect the lesser species from the same fate they suffered.

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Napisano 01 sierpień 2011 - 01:10

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S.A.K wrote...

Agree. I didn't mean obsessed thing in a bad way. But living protheans are anti-climatic for the story line because one of the main plot points is the total destruction of the protheans by the reapers.


Sad, but true. But take these into consideration:

- Vigil knows nothing about the fate of the Ilos research team - so BioWare left themselves an open end to the topic. It is possible, that there is a sole survivor (f. e. the research team managed ), and it isn't that anti-climatic, because the species as a whole can't be restored anyway

EDIT:
also, I don't know if it is flagged, but you could have a use of all those Prothean data discs you found in ME1.

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Protheans didn't know when and where will Reapers attack.


I'll give you example with Germany and Allies with "Operation Overlord".

German knew Allies will attack but didn't know when nor where.
They expected either invade on Normandy or some other part of France that I can't remember how it's called.
Germans were also mislead they would invade Balkans as well.

And Germany got it's ass kicked there, even though they knew invasion will come and they were surprised by attack.

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Napisano 01 sierpień 2011 - 01:17

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You sir wrote a very interesting and exciting theory! I really liked how you included Kasumis friend in this whole story. As it would indeed be very bad publicity for the Alliance if the Citadel Council finds out about the living Prothean on mars... Sadly I told Kasumi to delete the data... >_>

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Nendras wrote...

You sir wrote a very interesting and exciting theory!

Thank you!

Nendras wrote...

I really liked how you included Kasumis friend in this whole story. As it would indeed be very bad publicity for the Alliance if the Citadel Council finds out about the living Prothean on mars... Sadly I told Kasumi to delete the data... >_>

Yeah, I thought it made sense to connect Keiji's Graybox to the theory. Merely having information about Sovereign isn't really enough to implicate the Alliance, as Sovereign was widely known during the Eden Prime war - albeit as a warship under the command of Saren, and not a sentient dreadnought.

However, if the Alliance has known about the Reapers from before the Eden Prime War, that could get them into trouble. And god forbid that they have kept a live prothean secret from the Council for years.

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Napisano 01 sierpień 2011 - 01:43

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I am not sure whether the Alliance knew about the Reapers before the Eden Prime War or not... Probably not, because there is one point that could negate this theory. The Reaper invasion 50'000 Years ago started at the Citadel. After that incident Mass Effect travel was not possible anymore because the reapers locked them all and destroyed one world after another. So the Protheans on Mars probably didn't knew anyting or at least didn't knew much about the ongoing invasion. They were simply stuck on Mars... If they knew about the invasion they probably covered the Charon Relay with ice, if not it was a natural process...

But then again a living Prothean would be more then enough to cause trouble or even war for the Alliance...

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Nendras wrote...

I am not sure whether the Alliance knew about the Reapers before the Eden Prime War or not... Probably not, because there is one point that could negate this theory. The Reaper invasion 50'000 Years ago started at the Citadel. After that incident Mass Effect travel was not possible anymore because the reapers locked them all and destroyed one world after another. So the Protheans on Mars probably didn't knew anyting or at least didn't knew much about the ongoing invasion.

They found out about the details of the invasion the very same way the Ilos team did - the beacon network. Also, it is possible that the prothean government was aware of the coming Reaper invasion, and that the project on Mars and Ilos were two of many projects started to prepare for this invasion.

Nendras wrote...

They were simply stuck on Mars... If they knew about the invasion they probably covered the Charon Relay with ice, if not it was a natural process...

It's impossible for so much ice to coalesce around an object in just 50,000 years. It has to have been done artificially, which points to the protheans.

Nendras wrote...

But then again a living Prothean would be more then enough to cause trouble or even war for the Alliance...

Incredible political turmoil followed by the Council imposing massive concessions on the Alliance? Yes. War? It might not be that bad. Maybe if the Alliance refuse to give up their "captive".

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Napisano 01 sierpień 2011 - 03:48

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Finally read the OP. OMG if we get Prothy on Mars, so early would be just amazing and make the entire level even better Posted Image Now I can't wait to go to Mars even more thna before!

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^You did read blog post as well?

You know, the long version.

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I am not Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite (OK, probably one of the favorites) thread on the extranet.

The Eletania plot could have stopped in ME1. It DIDN'T. BioWare went ahead and made an entire DLC about it. It [i]will[/i] be in ME3.

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Mesina2 wrote...

^You did read blog post as well?

You know, the long version.

Yes and it made me even more convinced Prothy will be in ME3 :D Which is why I need to get my hopes down somehow now since if he's not, I'm gonna be very disappointed...

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I support the last Prothean helping us kick Reaper ass in ME3.

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Napisano 01 sierpień 2011 - 07:19

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Genius!

In fact, oddly enough. When I first heard of this secret thing the Alliance had done that could incriminate them so badly from Keiji's greybox. My mind went immediately to having live Protheans to study. Of course, the thought saddens me. But if it is something that could incriminate the Alliance that badly, then it will be something horrific.

Your theory has a lot to back it up when I think about! I always thought that there were still a handful of Protheans out in the galaxy. Just because the genocide of AN ENTIRE RACE that is spread out across the entire galaxy without ANY SURVIVORS just seems a bit unlikely to me.

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Unpleasant Implications wrote...

I support the last Prothean helping us kick Reaper ass in ME3.

I just realized I have to make a "Place tentacles here, bro"-Brotacles image.

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Prothy should yell in battle "Enkidle this!".

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I support this thread. Prothean squadmate ftw!

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If this doesn't happen, I won't play ME3, serious business is serious.

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Mesina2 wrote...

Prothy should yell in battle "Enkidle this!".


Nonono, that's Blasto's catchphrase. As for Prothy.... it seems far fetched, even for ME. Vigil alone was a fluke, a real Prothean is too much. Imagine it walking around in crowded areas. Everyone ignoring Legion was weird enough. Everyone ignoring a completaly new alien is.... even weirder.
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