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Prothy should yell in battle "Enkidle this!".


Nonono, that's Blasto's catchphrase. As for Prothy.... it seems far fetched, even for ME. Vigil alone was a fluke, a real Prothean is too much.

Too much of what? If you're talking about this whole "they're supposed to be dead"-thing, the only proper answer I can give you is, "Appearances can be deceiving."

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Imagine it walking around in crowded areas. Everyone ignoring Legion was weird enough. Everyone ignoring a completaly new alien is.... even weirder.

Ordinary people do not usually seek out oddities that stand out in a crowd, they make a mental note of it and go about their own business.

Also, I would expect the crowd-situation to be fairly different considering the fact that every civilization everywhere is in the middle of a massive, galactic war.

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Still needs a shorter version. the one you gave - isnt short enough.\\

a short version looks like thiis

"we could have had a prothean squaddy, but they sad they ripped him out of the game. too bad, i want him in"

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Arcian wrote...

Also, I would expect the crowd-situation to be fairly different considering the fact that every civilization everywhere is in the middle of a massive, galactic war.


Im about to call forth Goldwyn's law, but I really don't care.

ME3's war is starting and is at the level of WWII. Not the entire galaxy is under attack (yet) and only a few systems.

For example. Bussines is as usual in the Citadel, just that it's a time of war. When wars break out, the whole planet isn't in chaos and pandemonium. Let alone a galaxy where the battles are separated by millions of light years and deactivated Mass Relays.

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ThePwener wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Also, I would expect the crowd-situation to be fairly different considering the fact that every civilization everywhere is in the middle of a massive, galactic war.


Im about to call forth Goldwyn's law, but I really don't care.

ME3's war is starting and is at the level of WWII. Not the entire galaxy is under attack (yet) and only a few systems.

For example. Bussines is as usual in the Citadel, just that it's a time of war. When wars break out, the whole planet isn't in chaos and pandemonium. Let alone a galaxy where the battles are separated by millions of light years and deactivated Mass Relays.

That really depends on how high the Citadel is on the Reaper list of target priorities. I would expect that they'd want to regain control of their relay hub again as soon as possible.

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Still needs a shorter version. the one you gave - isnt short enough.

a short version looks like thiis

"we could have had a prothean squaddy, but they sad they ripped him out of the game. too bad, i want him in"

Sorry, pal, but this is as short as it gets. You know what they say - if you cut out too much of the cheese, you won't have much left to eat.

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Arcian wrote...

That really depends on how high the Citadel is on the Reaper list of target priorities. I would expect that they'd want to regain control of their relay hub again as soon as possible.


The Citadel isn't on high priority. It isn't going anywhere.

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I didn't say its imposible. Just that it would be bad writing from BW if they suddenly make protheans return. If some of them survived(about 10 if I remember correctly) where were they for the last 50000 years? But if BW can bring them back with a cool explanation, I would love to see them.

Description of Zayarter from ME1: "Three times in the last century, ships stopping to discharge
at Treyarmus reported geometric patterns of lights on the dark side of
Zayarter. Attempts at further investigation proved fruitless; the lights
disappear when ships approach the inner system." 

It's as if maybe some sort of civilization which settled on Zayarter is trying to hide itself from any sort of outside contact. Like maybe due to a race of sentient machines that almost wiped out their entire species after receiving a warning from Vigil through the beacon, even.

Bioware could do it, and it wouldn't have to be bad writing at all--in fact, it may even be what they've intended from the beginning, for all we know. Even if Zayarter isn't the place, it's entirely possible that there were survivors, and that they chose to rebuild their civilization in a safe place. If they picked up the survivors on the Citadel somehow, that would make even more sense--they would know the whole story, and realize that future organic civilizations would probably be safe--but they would almost certainly want to hide themselves just in case something out there was still watching which could betray them to the machines; in case they might accidentally allow the indoctrinated into their midst and destroy everything all over again. Maybe they felt "we've done our part; now we need to focus on recovery and safety for our own people." Maybe the Protheans of today are highly xenophobic, or merely agoraphobic as a sort of necessity of survival.

I think it's entirely possible, even probable that some are alive. And I would love to meet them, because even if they look weird (and they wouldn't look like the Collectors, of course--maybe not even like the original Protheans) they are so awesome as a species. I felt a deep personal connection to them, and a gratitude for giving the organic species of the galaxy a chance, not knowing if they themselves would even survive. What an amazing thing, to be connected to a species which disappeared 50,000 years ago.

I like the idea that we might convince the Protheans' descendants to come out of hiding and help us face the Reapers. I'm hoping it's exactly what happens.

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As for "Enkidle this!" catchphrase.

I think Prothy would check extra net and find that hilarious and decide to yell that in combat while slaughtering Cerberus troops.

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ThePwener wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Also, I would expect the crowd-situation to be fairly different considering the fact that every civilization everywhere is in the middle of a massive, galactic war.


Im about to call forth Goldwyn's law, but I really don't care.

ME3's war is starting and is at the level of WWII. Not the entire galaxy is under attack (yet) and only a few systems.

For example. Bussines is as usual in the Citadel, just that it's a time of war. When wars break out, the whole planet isn't in chaos and pandemonium. Let alone a galaxy where the battles are separated by millions of light years and deactivated Mass Relays.


From those few systems, Earth and Palaven( homeworld of 2 most powerful species) are getting destroyed and their fleets and armies.
I call panic button.

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ThePwener wrote...

The Citadel isn't on high priority. It isn't going anywhere.


With Citadel taken, Reapers can shut down every Mass Relay and inter-system communications, which makes any organized resistance impossible.

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ThePwener wrote...

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That really depends on how high the Citadel is on the Reaper list of target priorities. I would expect that they'd want to regain control of their relay hub again as soon as possible.


The Citadel isn't on high priority. It isn't going anywhere.

Oh, really?

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A prothean squddie sounds good to me, and if even if he/she isin't a squadmemeber even communicating with a live prothean would be awesome talking with vigil on Illos was also pretty cool to!

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Mesina2 wrote...

Bad BSN for braking format.

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I see the orange eye things everywhere these days. Where did they get started from?

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Spirits, that picture makes me want to bite my nails to the bone. I want ME3 now.

Prothy for a squaddie? Heh, I certainly wouldn't mind. I don't think it's going to happen, though. The Prothean subplot is one of the few that have been fully resolved, why revisit? Oooh, unless it was all to lull our curiosity and make for a bigger peripety?

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TexasToast712 wrote...

I see the orange eye things everywhere these days. Where did they get started from?


Arican started to post pics with those glasses.

I had Photoshop and Arrival DLC.
That picture is born.

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Prothy for a squaddie? Heh, I certainly wouldn't mind. I don't think it's going to happen, though. The Prothean subplot is one of the few that have been fully resolved, why revisit?

Actually, the prothean subplot continued through ME1 and ME2. First you have the trinket and the orb on Eletania, both of which are flagged as plot point carryovers, both of which never appeared in ME2 meaning it will be important in ME3. Then you have the prothean orb from Kobis in the Firewalker Pack, which we still don't know what it does. Also, in LotSB, Liara says the previous broker was convinced the protheans had other plans (followed by an ambiguous handwave that he might have been grasping for straws... pfft, as if).

So yeah, the prothean subplot is far from resolved.

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I see the orange eye things everywhere these days. Where did they get started from?

On this board?

From me.

On the internet in general?

Dunno, but it's an acknowledged meme.

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TexasToast712 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Bad BSN for braking format.

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I see the orange eye things everywhere these days. Where did they get started from?

From the manliest show ever! GURREN LAGANN!

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I'd rather the Prothean was a DLC than Vanilla - that way I don't have to have it.

I find the idea somewhat interesting - but I'd rather it wasn't in my game personally (at least not in the first playthrough), Nor any other ancient device / knowledge. I'd rather ME3 was about Humanity and / or the other races rising up and fighting the Reapers back without a Prothean with knowledge on how to do it etc.

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I'd rather the Prothean was a DLC than Vanilla - that way I don't have to have it.

I find the idea somewhat interesting - but I'd rather it wasn't in my game personally (at least not in the first playthrough), Nor any other ancient device / knowledge. I'd rather ME3 was about Humanity and / or the other races rising up and fighting the Reapers back without a Prothean with knowledge on how to do it etc.

I don't think they know. If the ME3 trailer is anything to go by (the voice saying "We need a plan to stop them!", which might be the prothean) the protheans literally have no idea what to do to stop the Reapers. They might have some ideas where to start (star charts to undiscovered worlds studied before the previous invasion), but I seriously doubt they're sitting on the answer.

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Arcian wrote...

Icinix wrote...

I'd rather the Prothean was a DLC than Vanilla - that way I don't have to have it.

I find the idea somewhat interesting - but I'd rather it wasn't in my game personally (at least not in the first playthrough), Nor any other ancient device / knowledge. I'd rather ME3 was about Humanity and / or the other races rising up and fighting the Reapers back without a Prothean with knowledge on how to do it etc.

I don't think they know. If the ME3 trailer is anything to go by (the voice saying "We need a plan to stop them!", which might be the prothean) the protheans literally have no idea what to do to stop the Reapers. They might have some ideas where to start (star charts to undiscovered worlds studied before the previous invasion), but I seriously doubt they're sitting on the answer.


If thats the case then I'd throw a bit more weight behind it as part of the game proper, but to me, coupled with the ending of ME2 claiming people believed the Protheans were working on other ideas to stop the Reaper do not fill me with much confidence - don't get me wrong, I have nothing wrong with cliche, I just hope that ME3 rises a little above it without relying on it.

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So yeah, the prothean subplot is far from resolved.

You know what I mean. We know what happened in the end, even if there are details that we don't and never will understand. But it's all fair game. Wouldn't be a bad trick at all to turn the tragedy of their destiny into a plot device that saves the next cycle and perhaps the entire future. To be perfectly honest, bringing them 'back to life' for any reason other than that would be... disappointing.

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I have nothing wrong with cliche, I just hope that ME3 rises a little above it without relying on it.

People keep using this word. I don't think it means what they think it means.

On a serious note, I am hearing incredibly clear echoes from the pre-ME2 times with Legion when people speculated he could be a squadmember. It was completely unthinkable, because the geth were homicidal killbots and NOTHING ELSE!!!!!!11. The word cliché were, just as now, thrown around haphazardly for no good reason.

Your opinion is perfectly valid, don't get me wrong on that. But I trusted them to handle Legion well, and they did. So I am willing to invest trust in that they will handle the protheans well in ME3.

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Your opinion is perfectly valid, don't get me wrong on that. But I trusted them to handle Legion well, and they did. So I am willing to invest trust in that they will handle the protheans well in ME3.


Exactly... If Bioware is good at one thing, then this one thing would be giving characters depth and meaning!

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Your opinion is perfectly valid, don't get me wrong on that. But I trusted them to handle Legion well, and they did. So I am willing to invest trust in that they will handle the protheans well in ME3.


Exactly... If Bioware is good at one thing, then this one thing would be giving characters depth and meaning!

Won't stop people from complaining, though...