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[AVPen]

LTiberious wrote...

SWM - One question - the Dawg - isnt he the "bonus" squaddie who replaced Prothy? Or whats the info on da dawg?

If you're refering to the FENRIS mech that roams around on the Normandy (in the Collector Edition), that would honestly be the least effective squadmate Shepard could get.... unless Tali jerry-rigged that thing with a Cain strapped to its back or something. 

Modifié par AVPen, 25 décembre 2011 - 08:33 .

[LTiberious]

Then im at peace thanks

[SmallDude21]

Is it possible for someone to PM me the details of the script or beta, i can't resist the spoilers any longer.

[LTiberious]

SRD wrote...

Is it possible for someone to PM me the details of the script or beta, i can't resist the spoilers any longer.

Remove your post. Dont ask for it again please Prothy will be a badass, warrior, who just likes to fight. 

Regarding Prothy - there's no much to him in the script. K?

Dont spoil the game for urself

[LTiberious]

Arcian wrote...

LTiberious wrote...

Regarding Prothy - there's no much to him in the script. K?

That's not really the problem, it's more that it's difficult to find what is his and what's not since he doesn't have a given name. Really, any time someone in the script says "You, do something" it could potentially be the prothean.

Nah, i meant that lurking trough the script in search of Prothy's info is stupid, due to his lines being mostly dialogues about how he is a warrior, and he is a warrior, and he is a prothean.

Yes there are many lines of his (i've got the sorted out script, so its kinda easier). But precise info, as where do you get him - is scarce.

[CroGamer002]

^lmao


Though he is wrong.

Hanars would treat him like a freaking messiah or god, not just a mere king.

Modifié par Mesina2, 27 décembre 2011 - 04:32 .

[Someone With Mass]

Arcian wrote...

 *SPOILER* 

Prothean: Since I was born, there has been only one pursuit in life: war. I look forward to seeing what peace looks like.

Shepard: It's a big galaxy.

Prothean:Perhaps I will write a book with the asar- with Doctor T'Soni. She suggests "My Journeys with the Prothean".

Shepard: You'd do that?

Prothean: I'll need a job. There will no Reapers left to kill. I believe the hanar would welcome me. I could live like a king among them.

*SPOILER*

I can't stop f***ing laughing.

He may be the last of his people, but damn it all if he doesn't get some special treatment. 

[Lotion Soronarr]

MEh... Why cna't dead things stay dead.

BioWare dissapoints me yet again with their obsessive quest to give player the most unique and rare (and less credible) companion in the galaxy

[Dean_the_Young]

I would have gone with 'Cerberus attempt to recreate Protheans by cloning/altering Collectors, plus Cypher,' myself. A Collector/Prothean hybrid, neither fully organic or totally synthetic, housing the prothean culture in its entirety but also ignorant of so much.

Don't get me wrong, I'll probably enjoy him greatly as a cynical Renegade-ish companion... but an actual Prothean companion is pretty darn contrived. A Batarian squadmate could have been equally cynical/Renegade, and actually explored more of the contemporary galaxy that's been long overlooked.

Heck, if it were simply a Prothean AI/VI modeled after someone, like Vigil was modeled after whoever the Prothean scientist was, then you could have all the snark and cynicism without the biology. The Prothean VI/AI could be equivalent to EDI in ME2.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 28 décembre 2011 - 10:14 .

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

MEh... Why cna't dead things stay dead.

BioWare dissapoints me yet again with their obsessive quest to give player the most unique and rare (and less credible) companion in the galaxy

Yeah, because a Prothean setting himself in stasis as his empire crumbles around him like the researchers on Ilos did is so far-fetched, right?

Not to mention that this Prothean has probably some of the most memorable conversations in the script.

I like when people are asking for bland and uninteresting characters and then whine about how they're just that after the game is out.

[Dean_the_Young]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Yeah, because a Prothean setting himself in stasis as his empire crumbles around him like the researchers on Ilos did is so far-fetched, right?

Given that the Prothean scientists in a secure facility never found by the Reapers only lasted a few hundred years in stasis pods...

Yes. It radically expands prior established technology, without there being any foreshadowing or prior examples of such technology to such an extent.

Not to mention that this Prothean has probably some of the most memorable conversations in the script.

Does that require him to be a real, living Prothean however? Why not a VI/AI construct, like EDI?

Or a Prothean sexbot, instead of EDI?

I like when people are asking for bland and uninteresting characters and then whine about how they're just that after the game is out.

Perhaps you're confusing two different groups of people here.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 28 décembre 2011 - 10:29 .

[Someone With Mass]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

I would have gone with 'Cerberus attempt to recreate Protheans by cloning/altering Collectors, plus Cypher,' myself. A Collector/Prothean hybrid, neither fully organic or totally synthetic, housing the prothean culture in its entirety but also ignorant of so much.

Don't get me wrong, I'll probably enjoy him greatly as a cynical Renegade-ish companion... but an actual Prothean companion is pretty darn contrived. A Batarian squadmate could have been equally cynical/Renegade, and actually explored more of the contemporary galaxy that's been long overlooked.

Heck, if it were simply a Prothean AI/VI modeled after someone, like Vigil was modeled after whoever the Prothean scientist was, then you could have all the snark and cynicism without the biology. The Prothean VI/AI could be equivalent to EDI in ME2.

I don't think Protheans would do something like that, seeing how they're believing more in the natural evolution than technological advancements.

Not to mentions that AIs probably weren't so popular during their time.

I also enjoy the simplicity of this Prothean. He isn't some scientific breakthrough or a hybrid made in a desperate attempt to come up with a weapon to use against the Reapers or to hide information about the Prothean empire or some VI designed to strategize. He's simply a soldier who thought that all was lost and needed to hide until the next cycle.

[Dean_the_Young]

Someone With Mass wrote...

I don't think Protheans would do something like that, seeing how they're believing more in the natural evolution than technological advancements.

Not to mentions that AIs probably weren't so popular during their time.

We had Vigil, who was modeled after personality. The Prothean precedent is established. Have a cynical, less benevolent version instead.

I also enjoy the simplicity of this Prothean. He isn't some scientific breakthrough or a hybrid made in a desperate attempt to come up with a weapon to use against the Reapers or to hide information about the Prothean empire or some VI designed to strategize. He's simply a soldier who thought that all was lost and needed to hide until the next cycle.

Given that even Vigil was dying and on the verge of collapse, that's hardly simplicity by relation.

[Someone With Mass]

Dean_the_Young wrote...
Given that the Prothean scientists in a secure facility never found by the Reapers only lasted a few hundred years in stasis pods... 

Yes. It radically expands prior established technology, without there being any foreshadowing or prior examples of such technology to such an extent.

That's because that facility was powering hundreds of stasis pods. The place where our Prothean is hidden only had one running.

And I don't think a Prothean would take much joy in having/creating a sexbot for really no good reason in a time of war.

One synthetic squadmate is enough.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 28 décembre 2011 - 10:36 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...
Given that the Prothean scientists in a secure facility never found by the Reapers only lasted a few hundred years in stasis pods... 

Yes. It radically expands prior established technology, without there being any foreshadowing or prior examples of such technology to such an extent.

That's because that facility was powering hundreds of stasis pods. The place where our Prothean is hidden only had one running.

And yet Illos was undetected, while Eden Prime was wiped out. We can make equivalence all day.

Stasis pods were never suggested to be a 'fifty thousand year' sort of thing, especially considering how much prothean technology we see degrade over the years: undisturbed and unbombed Vigil itself is on its last legs, the beacon on Eden Prime was ready to blow up, but a never-discovered power generator keeps chugging for 50k to let a flawless Prothean champion wake up from a long nap? That's stretching quite a bit.

And I don't think a Prothean would take much joy in having/creating a sexbot for really no good reason in a time of war.

Sure. Stress relief.

It was more a joke on the absurdity of a sex bot companion in general. I mean, I might have taken it at face value if EDI took the form of a man-bot. Give Joker a sexual identity crisis. And if a Prothean VI/AI just got stuck in the EDI body by circumstance, I'd let Bioware play that straight as well.

Point is, it doesn't need to be a Prothean-built sexbot.

One synthetic squadmate is enough.

Bring back Legion as permanent squadie! 

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

MEh... Why cna't dead things stay dead.

BioWare dissapoints me yet again with their obsessive quest to give player the most unique and rare (and less credible) companion in the galaxy

Yeah, because a Prothean setting himself in stasis as his empire crumbles around him like the researchers on Ilos did is so far-fetched, right?

Not to mention that this Prothean has probably some of the most memorable conversations in the script.

I like when people are asking for bland and uninteresting characters and then whine about how they're just that after the game is out.

The Prothean is garbage. The idea is garbage.

This is a road we have walekd over a zillion times..
Introduce a race/culture/create that is rare/mysterius/never seen as friendly.
Have it join the team.

It's getting boring. Predicatble.
Adventuring parties/teams in BioWare games have been getting more and more redicolous and are approaching "bad JRPG" levels..

Also, when have I ever whined about an average, well-adjusted character?
Bland and uninterestign to you maybe...but I find that better than "team united colros of benetton"..or should I say "traveling circus/mental hospital"

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...
One synthetic squadmate is enough.

And one alien squadmate isn't?
And one "unique" squadmate isn't?

See the problem here?

[LTiberious]

Great "Prothy" art

http://i786.photobuc...hellick/tzu.jpg

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Actually Prothy's lines and his relationships with the crew are marvelous.


And its stupid to say that if even Prothy was dead when the eggheads found him - he's dead forevar.

You know we have genetic recounstruction in ME?

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And @Lotion - he's a DLC character. Stupid to rage 'bout that

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...
One synthetic squadmate is enough.

And one alien squadmate isn't?
And one "unique" squadmate isn't?

See the problem here?

Not really. Variety is the spice of life. I'd rather take the Prothean than some lame batarian.

Plus the fact that he can add to the Prothean story. Which he does a couple of times.

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

The Prothean is garbage. The idea is garbage.

This is a road we have walekd over a zillion times..
Introduce a race/culture/create that is rare/mysterius/never seen as friendly.
Have it join the team.

It's getting boring. Predicatble.
Adventuring parties/teams in BioWare games have been getting more and more redicolous and are approaching "bad JRPG" levels..

Also, when have I ever whined about an average, well-adjusted character?
Bland and uninterestign to you maybe...but I find that better than "team united colros of benetton"..or should I say "traveling circus/mental hospital"

Marvelous double standard you have there.

[Dean_the_Young]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...
One synthetic squadmate is enough.

And one alien squadmate isn't?
And one "unique" squadmate isn't?

See the problem here?

Not really. Variety is the spice of life. I'd rather take the Prothean than some lame batarian.

How about some awesome Batarian?

Plus the fact that he can add to the Prothean story. Which he does a couple of times.

Any character could add to any story. It's not a question of 'could', but 'should' and 'is this a good way to do so.'

How does a squadmate, as opposed to an interactable character, add to the story in a way to justify being a squadmate? 

If Prothean were an intact Vigil-style construct, complete with a personality pattern and otherwise, how much would be lost? If Prothean was a personality construct, we wouldn't lose the wit. We wouldn't lose the lore gains. We wouldn't even lose the personality clashes. At most we'd lose a few of the out-of-Normandy encounters, like running into a Hanar... though those could be rescripted such as having a Hanar get lost on the Nromandy.


Likewise, how does the Prothean story (a long dead race) trump the living galaxy? The Batarian subplot has been the focus of major DLC each game, and was supposed to be the crux of Arrival, yet despite the foreshadowing the Batarians remain almost entirely undeveloped and ignorred. The Terminus was also only superficially interacted with in ME2: a Terminus species companion would also expand a good fraction of the galaxy. Or we could deal with a Turian disident/independent Turian colony, giving a companion who actually develops the Turian Heirarchy which Garrus only referenced. We could get a Blasto, or a Volus spectre, or some other minor Citadel species to add other stories.


The Prothean has to justify itself as a companion on more than 'add lore to the Protheans.' Anyone could have a cynical wit.

[Someone With Mass]

Well, for one, the VI's technical purpose would be kind of pointless if it only exists to tell about the story of the Protheans in detail and be snarky/arrogant at the same time. There's really no reason to have such a thing when there are other machines that have and can tell such facts without getting a personality in the way.

How about some awesome Batarian?

There's no such thing.

[CroGamer002]

^Racist.