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[Lady Olivia]

Arcian wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

May we all be enkindled.

May He carry the Light.

Come to think of it, since we might visit Kahje, wonder how would the hanar react to Prothy.

I'd wager it would be like sticking Jesus or God among a bunch of hardcore Christians.

Someone ought to write an excerpt (or ten) form hanar religious writings. Could be anonymous, ancestral wisdom, fable, fairytale... or authored, opinionated, perhaps referencing an opposing school of thought. Would be a great read.

Is there an audience in ME community for such things at all? For world-building, in-character fan-fiction?

Actually, never mind. Don't want to derail.

[CroGamer002]

^Do we really need new Star Trek thingy?


And this reminded when some Samara fans wanted that with Justicar Code.

[Leonia]

Hey Dragon Age has a lot of this stuff in its codex, why not Mass Effect as well? I'd be ALL over that.

[CroGamer002]

^Anyone reads that?


Wait, stupid question.

Modifié par Mesina2, 03 août 2011 - 08:16 .

[Lady Olivia]

Arcian wrote...

This is tickling my creative nerve.

I was so hoping you'd say that. 

[CroGamer002]

^Too be giant nerd to read that and forever to be a virgin or be left in the dark and not be "true" Enkilder fan?

[Thalador]

What? This thread doesn't mention Ksad Ishan, the Chief Overseer of the Ilos Research Facility, one of the scientists beyond the Conduit, the one Vigil got the voice and personality imprints from, one of the 12 saviours who gave us a chance, and *takes breath* ... possibly the guy who will be that Prothean squadmate/NPC ally if the rumours are true? Blasphemy...

Modifié par Thalador, 03 août 2011 - 10:30 .

[CroGamer002]

^When and where was he mentioned?

[Legion 2.5]

Prothean squadmate would totally win and who should voice it?

[Thalador]

Ksad Ishan on ME wiki

Modifié par Thalador, 03 août 2011 - 10:25 .

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

I'm interested in hearing more about the protheans. I'm trying to write a little story based on the Protheans, so it would be great to meet one in ME3.

'm not sure it will really happen though, but we'll see.

About it being a DLC character.. I really doubt they'd let something that big be an optional DLC, It would be like making Varric an optional DLC character in DA2.

[Sepewrath]

It would be rather lame if a Prothean popped up out of nowhere in ME3, I'm sure there is some clever TV Trope name for it, but terrible works just fine for me. If it were another VI that actually looked like a Prothean that miraculously survived or was restored by EDI or something, Maybe another Beacon, but instead of random images, had Prothean standing there talking, fine. But it would be ridiculous for a Prothean to be alive, especially since all they are is just victim number 7,000,001.

[Chewin]

I kinda liked the longer version more:unsure:

[S.A.K]

Arcian wrote...

Sepewrath wrote...

It would be rather lame if a Prothean popped up out of nowhere in ME3

I can only assume you didn't read my OP, as nothing in it suggests the prothean will "pop out of nowhere". Either that or you did read the OP and completely disregarded everything I said in it, which is regrettable but acceptable. The exit is right down the hall and to the left. Thanks for coming to share your thoughts on the matter.

I can imagine a scene when prothean pops out of nowhere.
*Shepard is watching a vid in his quarters when.*
Prothy: Commander Shepard?
Shepard: AAAAAH!!! WHAT THE F#$@?

Modifié par S.A.K, 04 août 2011 - 09:57 .

[Ieldra]

Arcian wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Arcian wrote...
From examining the evidence from Ilos, it is very likely that the protheans knew of the Reapers before the invasion. They started many projects to try and stop them. They also had a backup plan in case the Reapers attacked before they were ready, which involved building massive cryo-centrals below the project facilities.

How do you come to the conclusion that this is "very likely". I see the opposite - that the Protheans were completely surprised by the attack.

Knowing that an attack will happen is not the same thing as knowing when, how and where it will happen, and what to do about it. All they really could do was to try and cover all their bases, which in the end wasn't enough.

Also, my conclusion was inspired by this thread by Mimaz98 on the Steam forums. The part you're interested in is the Prothean Legacy section.

Yeah, that was about the most implausible part of that thread. Really, conspiracy theories and wishful thinking abound. As I answered there, scenarios supported by an argument like "Why else would they....." you can usually discount as conspiracy theories. There is always an infinite number of possible scenarios that may cause a specific event to happen. To give the argument weight, you'd need to show some evidence that things *actually* *did* happen for the specific cause.

Ieldra2 wrote...
I would very much like to encounter a living Prothean in ME2, and I can imagine a Prothean surviving the millenia somewhere. There can be several reasons for that, and be it only that some Protheans, knowing cryotechnology, were so curious about the future that they let themselves put to sleep.

Well, they were certainly advanced enough. But the presence of cryo-chambers below Ilos indicates that the protheans were aware that the planet may be endangered. Surely not by other spacefaring species, as there were none. The only real conclusion is that they found archeological evidence of a recurring extinction event, and came to the conclusion that the next "cycle" of said event was drawing near.

No, that's exactly NOT the only real conclusion. That's just the conclusion that fits your theory best. If I may repeat what I said above: There is always an infinite number of possible scenarios that may cause a specific event to happen. To give the argument weight, you'd need to show some evidence that things *actually* *did* happen for the specific cause.

Ieldra2 wrote...
But advance knowledge of the Reapers? There is not a single remote hint in our information about the Protheans to suggest that.

It is there, between the lines. I really suggest you read the steam thread I posted above.

I have read it, and I don't see a single remote hint that things actually did happen that way. All I see is a *possible* scenario. Now would you please give me some evidence to prefer this possible scenario to the infinity of other possible scenarios! If you can, then we'll talk again.

Ieldra2 wrote...
As for humans, there is evidence that the Protheans observed humans. But that is all. It's far more likely that humans were objects of study to them, not more than the most intelligent animal species we study are to us.

Of course we were objects of study to them, but as the protheans were the only species capable of spaceflight at the time, they came to see themselves as "stewards" of the galaxy, which included protecting less advanced species and, if necessary, helping them along.

This is 100% pure speculation in a void. Again, there is no single piece of evidence that things actually happened that way. That the protheans were the only species capable of spaceflight (which, btw, is just an assumption) is no sufficient reason to assume they saw themselves as stewards of the galaxy.

After all, the sole reason the protheans on Ilos went through what they did was so that they could protect the lesser species from the same fate they suffered.

Actually, no, first they wanted to survive and see if their species could survive. Then, they wanted to warn any future species. Wouldn't you do the same? Wouldn't almost any member of any species in the galaxy, faced with total extinction? Regardless of whether or not you felt as "steward of the galaxy".

Again, I would like to see a living prothean at some point. But this theory of the Protheans as a beneficial precursor race is pure mythology-building. It's based on the intuition that because they came before and were more advanced than we are, they must have been "better".  It's the space equivalent of the "Golden Age" myth prevalent in many cultures.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 04 août 2011 - 10:41 .

[goofyomnivore]

I think the Prothean mission is indeed in the game, but the squadmate has probably been cut. However here is my crack-head theory of a "squadmate".

By Prothean they mean a Prothean synthetic-organic hybrid. The Prothean's attempt at a perfect harmony between man and machine, and when the Reapers came reaping they hadn't taken it out of stasis yet. It was lucky enough to be an isolated top secret project away from much of the infastructure on Mars/Illos/whatever planet the "Prothean mission" is on. Copy and paste Shayle from DA:O, severe memory loss, superiority complex, alone-ness in world, and machine/object like following of PC gives it purpose.

(3:55AM and running on no sleep thinking capabilities when this was typed)

[Swimming Ferret]

I would only support a Prothean squad mate if s/he was romancable. If s/he is, then HELL YEAH

[Ieldra]

Arcian wrote...
However, the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Just as a general comment: absence of evidence should indeed count for evidence of absence if you can reasonably expect the evidence to be there and it isn't. Not that that necessarily applies to your scenario - too see nothing after 50k years is quite plausible.

That's what theories are for. Every potential discovery starts with a hypothesis, and that is exactly what this is. I'm not saying I'm right. I'm not even saying things are going to happen the exact way I have theorized they might. But I have done research to come up with a plausible solution - not to you perhaps, but then again consensus is never universal.

Now, as I've interpreted every of your point as you basically saying "You're not necessarily right", I can only agree. Only BioWare really knows how the story will unfold. I have just presented a theory on how it may unfold.

Ah....my claim was actually somewhat stronger. It is "You have no grounds to see your theory as plausible". And your claim wasn't as weak as you make it out to be - you know, you should be careful with statements like "The only conclusion is....."

Generally, my problem with your "beneficial precursor hypothesis" is that you assume intention and foreknowledge where I can't see any evidence for it, and that your scenario sounds more like a golden age myth set in space than like real history. As a rule, I would find it much more plausible to assume the Protheans were a species like any other. The distance in time and certain historical events then brings people to engage in myth-building around them, which is what the hanar have done. If some character in the ME universe published your scenario in a book and we heard about it on CDN, I would find it very interesting, but the actual, real, material history behind stuff like this tends to be a little less mythological and more down-to-earth.

The principle I'm using, btw, is an extension of the "principle of mediocrity": unless we have evidence to the contrary, it's plausible to assume that the protheans were a species like any other.