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[Thargorichiban]

Nissun wrote...

Yeah, that's what I mean. What did they build, and what is actually older? Obviously the Citadel is the oldest place, but I bet they borrowed a lot from the previous races too.

Hey, by the way, I drew one of the Ilos Protheans standing up. Sometimes I wish that one of the developers took a look at fan-made Prothean interpretations, and then told us who got closer to the official design. I guess it doesn't matter now, since we're so close to release date.

Nice work! I do approve of the tentacle look for Protheans, especially after all of the statues of them. You get a nice look of one during Kasumi's loyalty mission.

I've always assumed true Protheans don't look anything like the Collectors. I figured that's why everyone was so surprised when Mordin discovered that they were based on Prothean genetics. With all of the data and artifacts left by the Protheans (and the fact statues do exist outside of Ilos as shown by Kasumi's loyalty mission) most school children in Council society probably have a good idea of what Protheans looked like.

I expect to see an awesome tentacle helmet bioware!

[BentOrgy]

LTiberious wrote...
And Casts can explain different races and different appearances.

Not that big a difference, even with things like sexual dimorphism, species still looked related. Collectors look nothing like the Ilos Statues; except for being humanoids. Besides, its not a question of different races, its a question of what one race (True Prothean.) looks like, because that's what Prothy is. His status has very little to do with it, especially considering Bioware's love for making members of the same race (Except humans.) look alike.

EDIT: And now I'm remembering; the Ilos statues also had tentacles/tubes growing out of their eye sockets. What the hell kind of evolution is that? Or is it a hint at synthetic influence?

Modifié par BentOrgy, 21 janvier 2012 - 03:54 .

[Thargorichiban]

BentOrgy wrote...

LTiberious wrote...
And Casts can explain different races and different appearances.

Not that big a difference, even with things like sexual dimorphism, species still looked related. Collectors look nothing like the Ilos Statues; except for being humanoids. Besides, its not a question of different races, its a question of what one race (True Prothean.) looks like, because that's what Prothy is. His status has very little to do with it, especially considering Bioware's love for making members of the same race (Except humans.) look alike.

Honestly I'm pretty fond of the idea that it is hard to differentiate most alien's sex. It's natural for us to easily be able to distinguish whether or not a human being is male or female. It is much more difficult for us most of the time to distinguish any other animals' sex on earth.

Just looking at an average dog (without peering at its junk) I can't really tell a male from a female. And all of these aliens wear clothing that I assume hides the naughty bits that might make it easier for a human to tell the difference. What are tiny minor changes that the human mind isn't designed to recognize (heck, we can't even recognize our own faces when they are upside-down) would be huge differences to an alien who is designed to recognize it.

Just my two cents on that subject.

[BentOrgy]

Thargorichiban wrote...

BentOrgy wrote...

LTiberious wrote...
And Casts can explain different races and different appearances.

Not that big a difference, even with things like sexual dimorphism, species still looked related. Collectors look nothing like the Ilos Statues; except for being humanoids. Besides, its not a question of different races, its a question of what one race (True Prothean.) looks like, because that's what Prothy is. His status has very little to do with it, especially considering Bioware's love for making members of the same race (Except humans.) look alike.

Honestly I'm pretty fond of the idea that it is hard to differentiate most alien's sex. It's natural for us to easily be able to distinguish whether or not a human being is male or female. It is much more difficult for us most of the time to distinguish any other animals' sex on earth.

Just looking at an average dog (without peering at its junk) I can't really tell a male from a female. And all of these aliens wear clothing that I assume hides the naughty bits that might make it easier for a human to tell the difference. What are tiny minor changes that the human mind isn't designed to recognize (heck, we can't even recognize our own faces when they are upside-down) would be huge differences to an alien who is designed to recognize it.

Just my two cents on that subject.

Agreed on most points (Though I'm pretty sure I can still recognize my own face, lol.) but that doesn't change the fact that Collectors look nothing like the Ilos Statues. So the idea of it being a genetic trait falls flat. It isn't a small change, they're completely different. 

[Thargorichiban]

BentOrgy wrote...

Thargorichiban wrote...

BentOrgy wrote...

LTiberious wrote...
And Casts can explain different races and different appearances.

Not that big a difference, even with things like sexual dimorphism, species still looked related. Collectors look nothing like the Ilos Statues; except for being humanoids. Besides, its not a question of different races, its a question of what one race (True Prothean.) looks like, because that's what Prothy is. His status has very little to do with it, especially considering Bioware's love for making members of the same race (Except humans.) look alike.

Honestly I'm pretty fond of the idea that it is hard to differentiate most alien's sex. It's natural for us to easily be able to distinguish whether or not a human being is male or female. It is much more difficult for us most of the time to distinguish any other animals' sex on earth.

Just looking at an average dog (without peering at its junk) I can't really tell a male from a female. And all of these aliens wear clothing that I assume hides the naughty bits that might make it easier for a human to tell the difference. What are tiny minor changes that the human mind isn't designed to recognize (heck, we can't even recognize our own faces when they are upside-down) would be huge differences to an alien who is designed to recognize it.

Just my two cents on that subject.

Agreed on most points (Though I'm pretty sure I can still recognize my own face, lol.) but that doesn't change the fact that Collectors look nothing like the Ilos Statues. So the idea of it being a genetic trait falls flat. It isn't a small change, they're completely different. 

The upside-down thing is really cool, if you get a chance look up some videos on youtube that explain the phenomenon :happy:

The collectors looking almost nothing like Prothean statues while still being linked genetically to them doesn't surprise me in the least. The Reapers had thousands of years to mess with them, replace some parts with tech, and modify the rest. We, as humans, share genetics with creatures that look nothing like us on earth. I'd imagine the protheans had quite a few pieces of choice "junk" DNA that the Reapers took advantage of when they were being repurposed (possibly much like the Keepers) into tools.

[BentOrgy]

Thargorichiban wrote...

BentOrgy wrote...

Thargorichiban wrote...

BentOrgy wrote...

LTiberious wrote...
And Casts can explain different races and different appearances.

Not that big a difference, even with things like sexual dimorphism, species still looked related. Collectors look nothing like the Ilos Statues; except for being humanoids. Besides, its not a question of different races, its a question of what one race (True Prothean.) looks like, because that's what Prothy is. His status has very little to do with it, especially considering Bioware's love for making members of the same race (Except humans.) look alike.

Honestly I'm pretty fond of the idea that it is hard to differentiate most alien's sex. It's natural for us to easily be able to distinguish whether or not a human being is male or female. It is much more difficult for us most of the time to distinguish any other animals' sex on earth.

Just looking at an average dog (without peering at its junk) I can't really tell a male from a female. And all of these aliens wear clothing that I assume hides the naughty bits that might make it easier for a human to tell the difference. What are tiny minor changes that the human mind isn't designed to recognize (heck, we can't even recognize our own faces when they are upside-down) would be huge differences to an alien who is designed to recognize it.

Just my two cents on that subject.

Agreed on most points (Though I'm pretty sure I can still recognize my own face, lol.) but that doesn't change the fact that Collectors look nothing like the Ilos Statues. So the idea of it being a genetic trait falls flat. It isn't a small change, they're completely different. 

The upside-down thing is really cool, if you get a chance look up some videos on youtube that explain the phenomenon :happy:

The collectors looking almost nothing like Prothean statues while still being linked genetically to them doesn't surprise me in the least. The Reapers had thousands of years to mess with them, replace some parts with tech, and modify the rest. We, as humans, share genetics with creatures that look nothing like us on earth. I'd imagine the protheans had quite a few pieces of choice "junk" DNA that the Reapers took advantage of when they were being repurposed (possibly much like the Keepers) into tools.

Oh! I was referring to LTiberious's post about how the Collectors and Tentacle-Prothean could be part of the same species naturally; by saying that they're just different castes or something. Which I nay-say because of how, even with genetic variances within the same species, members of the same species still resemble one another. Sorry about that.

We know that the Collectors are Protheans, that much is clear. What we don't really know, is what the true Prothean race looks like. I want to believe they were/are like the Ilos statues, because that coincides with the visions in ME1. But from the script. it sounds less likely.

[Thargorichiban]

Sofia Lamb wrote...

Something that had always bothered me about the Illos statues is that it would mean a group of scientists, who do not seem like they would have done such a thing, would have had to build them on a secret research station that would have drawn attention.

They could have been grave markers or statues of particularly important Protheans.

Heck, back during the days of the Roman Empire they liked to put up busts of who the current Emperor was so the average person knew what their leader (approximately) looked like, even though they would never meet them in person.

[BentOrgy]

I agree with the statues being possibly of prominent protheans, or that perhaps they're paying respect to the race that colonized Ilos previously.

They're not that weird.

[Thargorichiban]

Does anyone get the feeling that Prothy might occasionally go "old man" in some dialogue and look at the current level of weapons/tech that is available to him as inferior?

Prothy: "Back in my day when Protheans were running things we could have enslaved a race like the Krogan to do our fighting in just a week! You kids, talking about diplomacy and whatnot. Where are all the good empires these days?"

Shepard: "Wasn't your 'day' ruined by the Reapers?"

Prothy:

[RideshLive]

I have the feeling that Prothy/Javrik is gonna be one of if not the best BioWare character ever, you know, someone universally loved like HK-47.

[BentOrgy]

Thargorichiban wrote...

Does anyone get the feeling that Prothy might occasionally go "old man" in some dialogue and look at the current level of weapons/tech that is available to him as inferior?

Prothy: "Back in my day when Protheans were running things we could have enslaved a race like the Krogan to do our fighting in just a week! You kids, talking about diplomacy and whatnot. Where are all the good empires these days?"

Shepard: "Wasn't your 'day' ruined by the Reapers?"

Prothy:

I vote yes.

He could be like Zaeed, just more.... Subtle and philosophical. Like Sun Tzu.
And yay! Someone remembers HK!

[GodWood]

Someone With Mass wrote...
Point is that the fans have absolutely no right to demand anything from BioWare.

I didn't say anything about demanding, nor did you.

I said fans should be free to offer feedback and their own opinions on the product that they, as the customer, are purchasing. Unfortunately for you I guess, this is also a belief shared by Bioware.

Not to mention that every time I see someone whine about something BioWare is doing, their own suggestions often turns out to be much, much worse.

And it just so turns out ME3 is a combination of all the worst fan ideas put together.

[Someone With Mass]

GodWood wrote...
And it just so turns out ME3 is a combination of all the worst fan ideas put together.

Well, that's thankfully just your opinion.

[Someone With Mass]

Ice Cold J wrote...

Again, HIDING in stasis for 50,000 years?

How? Why?

How could something like that be powered and not be found and why wouldn't he/she/it awaken earlier than 50,000 years to WARN US ABOUT THE DAMN REAPERS IN THE FIRST PLACE!?!?!

Again, SOO close to declaring shenanigans on this game... I love the franchise, but there are several MAJOR plot holes scattered across the games that they refuse to write their way out of or even address.

What if the stasis pod wasn't programmed to wake him up because he didn't know if the power requirement was enough?

I mean, Cerberus woke him up just like that.

And he couldn't have known how the evolution of the other species would progress or how long it'd take. The salarians were fly-eating lizards during his time.

If he had woken too early, then there could have a chance that the other races simply hadn't developed mass effect technology yet.

[JosephDucreux]

Still can't believe that Prothy would just be on ice for about 50 millenniums and just pop out all of a sudden just as the Reapers are attacking.

Where the hell was he even hiding all this time?

[Nissun]

BentOrgy wrote...
And yay! Someone remembers HK!

Nobody forgets HK47. Nobody.

Anyway, speaking of Collector-Illos appearances: Could the collectors be based on Harbringer's native species? Since we know that Reapers process entire races, maybe they just went with that design and changed the Protheans completely.

And another question: I know that after Mass Effect 2 the collectors are pretty much gone, but do you think there is any chance of encountering them as enemies in ME3? From what I've seen in the trailers, it seems like we'll be fighting Reaper forms (husks, etc) most of the time. But maybe they could have a cameo or something like that. Harbringer's personal guard maybe? I'd love to see that.

It's probably not likely, though. But hey, the new enemies look great, so it's no big deal.

[Armass81]

Nissun wrote...

BentOrgy wrote...
And yay! Someone remembers HK!

Nobody forgets HK47. Nobody.

Anyway, speaking of Collector-Illos appearances: Could the collectors be based on Harbringer's native species? Since we know that Reapers process entire races, maybe they just went with that design and changed the Protheans completely.

And another question: I know that after Mass Effect 2 the collectors are pretty much gone, but do you think there is any chance of encountering them as enemies in ME3? From what I've seen in the trailers, it seems like we'll be fighting Reaper forms (husks, etc) most of the time. But maybe they could have a cameo or something like that. Harbringer's personal guard maybe? I'd love to see that.

It's probably not likely, though. But hey, the new enemies look great, so it's no big deal.

Theres no collectors in ME3, sorry.

[BentOrgy]

I think idea of Harby modeling the Collectors after its own species is interesting. Kind of creepy, like he misses seeing his race physically in the galaxy, and so recreates them out of some twisted longing.

Hm....

There's also something I don't think has been brought up: The possibility that the Protheans looked like neither the Ilos Statues, or the Collectors. Bioware could easily troll us all.

Modifié par BentOrgy, 21 janvier 2012 - 11:29 .

[Armass81]

Someone With Mass wrote...

GodWood wrote...
And it just so turns out ME3 is a combination of all the worst fan ideas put together.

Well, that's thankfully just your opinion.

It's not just him, lot of Cerberus fanboys are up about this game, cause it turned out their precious terrorist organization might not be so good after all(dun dun duuuun)...

I do agree though that they could have done a little more with TIM, but still it is mostly pure malice from them not getting it exactly as they wanted it.

Get over it, I say...

Modifié par Armass81, 21 janvier 2012 - 11:49 .

[LTiberious]

BentOrgy wrote...

Thargorichiban wrote...

BentOrgy wrote...

Thargorichiban wrote...

BentOrgy wrote...

LTiberious wrote...
And Casts can explain different races and different appearances.

Not that big a difference, even with things like sexual dimorphism, species still looked related. Collectors look nothing like the Ilos Statues; except for being humanoids. Besides, its not a question of different races, its a question of what one race (True Prothean.) looks like, because that's what Prothy is. His status has very little to do with it, especially considering Bioware's love for making members of the same race (Except humans.) look alike.

Honestly I'm pretty fond of the idea that it is hard to differentiate most alien's sex. It's natural for us to easily be able to distinguish whether or not a human being is male or female. It is much more difficult for us most of the time to distinguish any other animals' sex on earth.

Just looking at an average dog (without peering at its junk) I can't really tell a male from a female. And all of these aliens wear clothing that I assume hides the naughty bits that might make it easier for a human to tell the difference. What are tiny minor changes that the human mind isn't designed to recognize (heck, we can't even recognize our own faces when they are upside-down) would be huge differences to an alien who is designed to recognize it.

Just my two cents on that subject.

Agreed on most points (Though I'm pretty sure I can still recognize my own face, lol.) but that doesn't change the fact that Collectors look nothing like the Ilos Statues. So the idea of it being a genetic trait falls flat. It isn't a small change, they're completely different. 

The upside-down thing is really cool, if you get a chance look up some videos on youtube that explain the phenomenon :happy:

The collectors looking almost nothing like Prothean statues while still being linked genetically to them doesn't surprise me in the least. The Reapers had thousands of years to mess with them, replace some parts with tech, and modify the rest. We, as humans, share genetics with creatures that look nothing like us on earth. I'd imagine the protheans had quite a few pieces of choice "junk" DNA that the Reapers took advantage of when they were being repurposed (possibly much like the Keepers) into tools.

Oh! I was referring to LTiberious's post about how the Collectors and Tentacle-Prothean could be part of the same species naturally; by saying that they're just different castes or something. Which I nay-say because of how, even with genetic variances within the same species, members of the same species still resemble one another. Sorry about that.

We know that the Collectors are Protheans, that much is clear. What we don't really know, is what the true Prothean race looks like. I want to believe they were/are like the Ilos statues, because that coincides with the visions in ME1. But from the script. it sounds less likely.

Casts in a multi-racial "civilisation". 
Remember.

Protheans=Citadel Races 50k yrs ago.

Thats the idea

[BentOrgy]

Right, but Prothy wasn't part of the assimilated races, he was pure Prothean. So I still don't understand.

Even if they did have castes (Which is still unlikely, we're talking about entire races of people, throughout the entire galaxy. That would like saying all whites are workers, all africans are traders, all asians are teachers, etc.) Prothy wouldn't look like a Collector, because if the True race looked like the Ilos Statues, that would make him part of the "Scientist," race. And of course, we know he isn't a scientist.

So basically: if you're saying the Statue Species are scientists, but also the true race, then Prothy can't look like a Collector, but neither could he be a Scientist. Its a paradox, because its fact that Prothy is a "True," Prothean,