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[Volc19]

I understand the statues being the species before the Protheans from a lore standpoint, but it would be annoying from a developmental standpoint. Those were the first "Protheans" ever shown in-lore. To retcon that would be odd. My theory is that the Protheans will resemble the Ilos statues enough to be recognizable, but will have the bug features consistent with the leak and the Collectors in order to solidify the mental link between the Protheans and Collectors for everyone.

[LTiberious]

Honestly - i'll be fine with them remaking the Prothean design. Tentacles make you renegade only in japanese porn.

So retconing the design is fine.

I want him collector-alike looking. That's pure badassery

[BentOrgy]

LTiberious wrote...

Volc19 wrote...

LT, there is a main species known as the Protheans. They started the empire and subjugated all other species into their empire. While these other species still had names, they were subsidiaries of the Prothean Empire. Prothy refers to the annexed species impersonally, implying heavily that he is of the original, ruling species.

Okay, lets put it this way.

Prothean - is based on "proto" meaning first in latin (Surprise). Thus every race before the current civ is "prothean"

But if we put this aside, and say that they themselves called themvelves Protheans....

So Ilos statues can be a different race. not the original Protheans.

They can vary Prothy's looks as much as they want. As long as protheans are "citadel races 50k yrs ago".

So even if he is from the main race, he still isnt obliged to look like those pesky Ilos statues.

Ah yes, confirming the idea of "Protheans" being multicultured - remember "The Zha" race? So even if we met their ruins in ME1/Me2 they would still be called "Prothean" ruins. Why? Because we dont know **** 'bout protheans. 

Yes i spoiled you with intel on the race Zha. Yes they are quarians 50k years ago. Yes and the Zha-Ro were Geth 50k years ago. yes im that bad of a person, to spoil you 3 lines of text, irrelevant to the story, or even any minor side mission.

One, its Zha'til. Minor gripe.

Two: Not every race 50,000 years ago was a member of the Prothean Empire, so no, the Zha don't "Have," to be called Protheans. No that it matters, considering they're mentioned once, and don't have any real bearing on the story.

Three: Turians/Salarians being Warriors/Scientist is not a fair example, because they're not restricted to that profession. Hence, their not castes. Their species merely excell at certain things than others. Its ridiculous to think that all Salarians are techies, and all Turians embrace war.

Four: Yes, as I've said; the Ilos Statues could very easily be the Inusannon, who were the race that colonized Ilos first. However, I direct you down below:

This whole argument is fairly pointless, because personally, I think the story is far more straight forward.

• Beacons sent distress signal, depicting a race that look like the Ilos Statues.
• Beacons were Prothean made.
• Beacons were probably made and used by the True Prothean race, because they were the ones who invented/acquired the technology first, and then spread it throughout the galaxy. Not to mention they were in control of the entire Empire, and thus, the entire galaxy.
• Hence, we can easily infer that the True Prothean race looked like the Ilos Statues.
• Prothy is a True Prothean. This is not a debate, its fact. So no, he can't just be "From a race 50k years ago."
• Prothy has a tentacle face.

Now, we have Vega in the script call Prothy " Buggy," and while that does imediately imply Collector, as Volc and I have said, it wouldn't be difficult for Bioware to manipulate the Ilos Statue look to include Collector eyes, making the nickname make sense.

Sorry, but the idea that Prothy is a Collector doesn't stack up against these facts. If it happens, there better be a solid reason for it.

Modifié par BentOrgy, 22 janvier 2012 - 03:40 .

[Someone With Mass]

Didn't the Protheans kill off the Zha-whatever completely by making their sun go supernova?

[darthnick427]

Volc19 wrote...

I understand the statues being the species before the Protheans from a lore standpoint, but it would be annoying from a developmental standpoint. Those were the first "Protheans" ever shown in-lore. To retcon that would be odd. My theory is that the Protheans will resemble the Ilos statues enough to be recognizable, but will have the bug features consistent with the leak and the Collectors in order to solidify the mental link between the Protheans and Collectors for everyone.

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[t3HPrO]

Having a random prothean pop out right in the middle of the Reaper Apoco seriously makes me do this:

[Volc19]

If you don't mind spoilers, please skim the thread for more information. His existence is very much explained, and he is a very interesting character. I assure you that your opinion of him will become at least slightly improved.

[prothytheprothean]

prothy better be that extra character you get with the collecters eddition!

[prothytheprothean]

i really hope prothy is a renegade , nothing better than a badass prothean squadmate

[Armass81]

He seems to be very renegadeish, supporting a darwinistic worldview(strong should survive and weak should perish, his philosophy clashes much with that of paragon Shepards) and he despises machine life, like the geth for example(this means he doesnt like EDI). He also doesnt like how the asari turned out and takes this out on poor Liara. He also holds himself above other races of the current cycle, but I guess it's kinda justified, he is older than any of them. I think he does soften up a little in the end, even against Liara.

Modifié par Armass81, 22 janvier 2012 - 10:29 .

[prothytheprothean]

DarthSliver wrote...

I do support Prothy, but i am not sure how well he would fight. I mean he would need training I image with the Technology of the time and i am sure the armor doesnt auto-fit. I more or less support him as an NPC because it just doesnt seem logical to me that he would be fight-ready.
I also like the idea that Protheans did manage to survived and just stayed hided all this time and them being in stasis on Mars would make the most sense.

Your statement makes sense , but he might not have been like you have mentioned , he might have been a warrior/renegade type prothean who might have had battle experience.

[prothytheprothean]

Armass81 wrote...

He seems to be very renegadeish, supporting a darwinistic worldview(strong should survive and weak should perish) and he despises machine life, like the geth for example. He also doesnt like how the asari turned out and takes this on poor Liara. He also holds himself above other races of the current cycle, but I guess it's kinda justified, he is older than any of them. I think he does soften up a little in the end, even against Liara.

that description sounds accurate , he could soften up on legion liara (probably if you paragon pursuade him) or he could hate them even more (probably a renegade action)

[LTiberious]

BentOrgy wrote...

LTiberious wrote...

Volc19 wrote...

LT, there is a main species known as the Protheans. They started the empire and subjugated all other species into their empire. While these other species still had names, they were subsidiaries of the Prothean Empire. Prothy refers to the annexed species impersonally, implying heavily that he is of the original, ruling species.

Okay, lets put it this way.

Prothean - is based on "proto" meaning first in latin (Surprise). Thus every race before the current civ is "prothean"

But if we put this aside, and say that they themselves called themvelves Protheans....

So Ilos statues can be a different race. not the original Protheans.

They can vary Prothy's looks as much as they want. As long as protheans are "citadel races 50k yrs ago".

So even if he is from the main race, he still isnt obliged to look like those pesky Ilos statues.

Ah yes, confirming the idea of "Protheans" being multicultured - remember "The Zha" race? So even if we met their ruins in ME1/Me2 they would still be called "Prothean" ruins. Why? Because we dont know **** 'bout protheans. 

Yes i spoiled you with intel on the race Zha. Yes they are quarians 50k years ago. Yes and the Zha-Ro were Geth 50k years ago. yes im that bad of a person, to spoil you 3 lines of text, irrelevant to the story, or even any minor side mission.

One, its Zha'til. Minor gripe.

Two: Not every race 50,000 years ago was a member of the Prothean Empire, so no, the Zha don't "Have," to be called Protheans. No that it matters, considering they're mentioned once, and don't have any real bearing on the story.

Three: Turians/Salarians being Warriors/Scientist is not a fair example, because they're not restricted to that profession. Hence, their not castes. Their species merely excell at certain things than others. Its ridiculous to think that all Salarians are techies, and all Turians embrace war.

Four: Yes, as I've said; the Ilos Statues could very easily be the Inusannon, who were the race that colonized Ilos first. However, I direct you down below:

This whole argument is fairly pointless, because personally, I think the story is far more straight forward.

• Beacons sent distress signal, depicting a race that look like the Ilos Statues.
• Beacons were Prothean made.
• Beacons were probably made and used by the True Prothean race, because they were the ones who invented/acquired the technology first, and then spread it throughout the galaxy. Not to mention they were in control of the entire Empire, and thus, the entire galaxy.
• Hence, we can easily infer that the True Prothean race looked like the Ilos Statues.
• Prothy is a True Prothean. This is not a debate, its fact. So no, he can't just be "From a race 50k years ago."
• Prothy has a tentacle face.

Now, we have Vega in the script call Prothy " Buggy," and while that does imediately imply Collector, as Volc and I have said, it wouldn't be difficult for Bioware to manipulate the Ilos Statue look to include Collector eyes, making the nickname make sense.

Sorry, but the idea that Prothy is a Collector doesn't stack up against these facts. If it happens, there better be a solid reason for it.

[*]For Shep/Liara. Everyone living 50k years before - is a prothean. (Not enough info)[*]Remember - we are working with incomplete information (!) So Salarians are scientists (we can find them in labs). Turians - are warfolk.
[*]Dammit this bulleting. [*]///[*]///[*]///[*]///[*]I repeat- Tentacles are not renegadish. And hard to animate. So its prefferable for BW's designers to have Prothy more Collector like, rather than with tentacles.[*]And yes - my theory implies that he is "pure" prothean. "Pure" Protheans were warfolk (for instance). But Ilos was a research facility, so there could be a different race operating those.[*]But your right. This is pointless

[LTiberious]

and i can see that Arcians back.

Welcome back

[LTiberious]

Well i thought you will eventually go away

[LTiberious]

You'r welcome. I just didnt expect your return this early.

[LTiberious]

np np

[BentOrgy]

LTiberious wrote...

For Shep/Liara. Everyone living 50k years before - is a prothean. (Not enough info)
Remember - we are working with incomplete information (!) So Salarians are scientists (we can find them in labs). Turians - are warfolk.

Dammit this bulleting. 
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I repeat- Tentacles are not renegadish. And hard to animate. So its prefferable for BW's designers to have Prothy more Collector like, rather than with tentacles.
And yes - my theory implies that he is "pure" prothean. "Pure" Protheans were warfolk (for instance). But Ilos was a research facility, so there could be a different race operating those.
But your right. This is pointless

Not really, considering Shep/Liara don't even know that the Protheans were a multi-species race until they meet Prothy, and by that time they do have enough information.

You're still implying that all Salarians are scientists, and all Turians are warriors, which is silly. They're people, like humans. Are all humans a single profession? No, they're not. Yes, the two races have a higher probablility of being those things, but they're not limited, which is what a caste system is.

Not "Renegadish." What's you're point? All badguys have to look like Darth Sidious? It doen't change what we've already learned in ME1.

And they're not that hard to animate; as a senior at A.I, majoring in game art and design. (Currently this term doing low-poly modeling.) I can tell you that adding a few anchor points and applying low intensity physics to the mesh is not that hard. Nor would it take up that much processing power. If you've played it, look at Elise's hair in Fable 3, its not that hard. So no, its not preferable, it would be lazy, and conflict (Unless explcitly told otherwise.) with their own lore.

There is no evidence that the True Protheans were "Warfolk," as you call them. Just because Prothy is a warrior doesn't mean anything, nor does his race's concuring of the galaxy. He never once refers to the Ilos team and himself as being any different, outside of him being a soldier, and they being scientists.

In fact, he refers to them as "Our scientists." and while that's a vague term, considering the afformentioned multi-species nature of the Empire, Prothy makes very clear early on the distinction between his race and the assimlated ones. And considering his arrogance, and they way he talks about the concuring of the other races, and the way they dealt with the Zha'til, it seems to me that all True Protheans were farily full of themselves. Which is only fair, considering what they did. But my point is, Prothy would have probably made it clear if the Ilos team were an assimilated race or not. Seeing as he didn't, and Vigil himself makes no mention of the assimilated races either, its safe to assume the Ilos team were True Prothean, just like Prothy.

You also have to remember the nature of the Ilos facility; bulding the Conduit. Now, I realize every race in the galaxy was under reaper attack, and that such a time is no time for racism, but for some reason I can't shake the idea that the True Protheans kept the other races in the dark about their higher technology. If the other races had the ability to recreate a mass relay, they could easily rebel against their masters.

Besides, I thought  I'd made it pretty clear, that the True Race did resemble the Ilos Statues? Why am I saying all this again?

Modifié par BentOrgy, 23 janvier 2012 - 12:36 .

[LTiberious]

@Bent
Repeating one of my statements: We are working with incomplete information here. So we have to use a simplified model of reality to ease our calculations.

Its a game, so thats why Renegades should look Renegadish, and Paragons look Paragonish. Its easier to explain/understand.

Quote from the devs "No hair movement, due to tech and size constraints. and yes - time constraints". Inaccurate, but you've got the idea. Thats the thing with tentacles.


Because dammit, its a game. And again - incomplete information. You'r sequence is logical, i'd give it that.

But.

Try to imagine the "Protheans" as multiple races. And Zha'til as a non-citadel race.

Protheans - friends/bro's. Zha'til - measly pests.


So he relates to the scientist caste via "Our scientists". Because there was a race designated for that (simple model, repeat.)

Not the whole script has leaked, so we dont know much 'bout assimilated races.
But (!) if he is the "true" prothean, from the race which conquered other races, then he is from the "warfolk". Because warfolk conquer dammit


I imply that there could be casts. Surely not as simple as i explain. But races that prefer one activity to another. And thus - we have the Warfolk, Scientists, Workers.
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Another arguement to my theory is very simple.

Its a game. There was never a script for the whole trilogy, aside the "Reapers-Reaper Friends->War".
So Prothean history is written on the go. Thus, making previous games a very bad base for an arguement (specially ME1, where Protheans were just a legend).

And yes - if something doesnt add - mass effect field it.

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Honestly speaking this has gone way to far, we are discussing different models, different things with no simple structure of the problem, thus making our efforts fruitless.

[AdmiralCheez]

So what'd I miss?

[Blacklash93]

t3HPrO wrote...

Having a random prothean pop out right in the middle of the Reaper Apoco seriously makes me do this:

Not everything in life has foreshadowing, you know. Surprising things happen.

If you don't like it then don't buy it.