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[CroGamer002]

[Volc19]

Welly well well, what do we have here? That is some mighty fine art.

[Nissun]

He looks like he's underwater, haha. That makes it even more Cthulhu-esque.


The top of his head reminds me of a Quarian... And the presence of that cloth baffles me. I mean, every other Prothean fanart we've had lacked any clothes. Why did the artist think he needed to wear something? If anything, it only makes the rest of his nakedness more obvious.

[Caleb Dolan]

i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w378/cd4142/Masseffectedit.jpg
My photoshop edit i did on the protheans transforming into the collector's. 

[BentOrgy]

Volc19 wrote...

Bent, we actually aren't sure if Prothy is the DLCmate or in the vanilla game yet. It's likely, but not confirmed. Just throwing that out there.

I suppose; his presence does seem fairly important, hinting at a more... Stable role in the game, but I'm still thinking all the "Prothean DLC," news we've known about for a while is still legitimate.

@Oh  Rawhs: It may or may not be cool, but it still wouldn't make any sense. You might as well have your robotic dog as a squadmate. Again, there's no way it can logically happen. That's what I meant about remebering the game.

@Mesina: That's... Pretty terrfying actually. Lol, it looks like he's coming apart.

[Tazzmission]

BentOrgy wrote...

Volc19 wrote...

Bent, we actually aren't sure if Prothy is the DLCmate or in the vanilla game yet. It's likely, but not confirmed. Just throwing that out there.

I suppose; his presence does seem fairly important, hinting at a more... Stable role in the game, but I'm still thinking all the "Prothean DLC," news we've known about for a while is still legitimate.

i read the file leak and all i will say is be ready to be amazed

[BentOrgy]

Tazzmission wrote...

BentOrgy wrote...

Volc19 wrote...

Bent, we actually aren't sure if Prothy is the DLCmate or in the vanilla game yet. It's likely, but not confirmed. Just throwing that out there.

I suppose; his presence does seem fairly important, hinting at a more... Stable role in the game, but I'm still thinking all the "Prothean DLC," news we've known about for a while is still legitimate.

i read the file leak and all i will say is be ready to be amazed

Er, I've read the script as well, so I already know what happens. I meant the fact that the Prothean DLC we've heard about will more than likely feature him, because of eariler screens saying things like "New squadmate," and such.

[LTiberious]

BentOrgy wrote...

@LTiberious.


You keep referring to Mass Effect as being merely a "Game," like that somehow prevents it from being complex. That it "Has," to be straight-forward and linear in its design philosophy. Ever play the Metal Gear series? It doesn't. Nassana Dantius was renegade, was she scarred and scary looking? No. Besides, Cthulhu is pretty damn renegade, and he notoriously has tentacles.

And once again, we have never, ever, in any way shape or form, been told that the Prothean Empire was divided into castes, yet you keep talking about it like its canon. You have no reason to say that the Ilos scientists were a race "Designated," to do anything; because the idea of castes is never present. Ever.

He "Has," to be a "Warfolk," because his race conquered the galaxy? Really? So if humans conquered the galaxy, then we'd all be "Warfolk?" That makes no sense; not everyone of a given race has to agree with their leaders, and its absolutely bizarre to think that entire race of people could only do one thing proficiently. The True Protheans won the galaxy through their technology, they were both warriors and scientists, just like human. Soldiers, and Techies, same species, different methods. Nothing to do with species specific castes.

Incomplete information? I've given several facts (That you even say make sense.) To support the theory that Prothy is a lanky, tentacled faced Ilos Statue look-a-like. All based on very complete information. (Beacons, visions, statues, etc.)

Besides, think about it: Because the Prothean empire did include many different races, its highly illogical to assume that all the Collectors we fought were from one race. If that's the case, then the Collector-look could never be an indication of how the Protheans actually looked, because all the Collectors looks the same, despite possibly being from different species.

So again; while there is absolutely no information that supports a "Caste," theory, but there is a fair amount that screams "Prothy has tentacles."

Well, BW couldnt cheat I know how gamedev works, khehe.

Nassana was a paranoid ****. And she looked like one

Well...  Okay, no proof of my theory. But you know there are plotholes, right? And you know that the story is written on the go. So some things shown, should be rewritten to improve gameplay in part 2.

Well, actually Collectors can pretty much define how Protheans looked like. Atleast the "bug" part. Because its hard to change the "type" from "human-like" to "buggy". It's the full rework of the genetic code. Hell, they could use any race that is out there.to make a "buggy enemy".


And, yes. From the gamedev viewpoint the players see protheans as "insectoid-collector-look-alikes" rather those statues at Ilos. (Don't look at bsn, its bull****). And Prothy should be based on them, for people to see him as a Prothean.

Start thinking about humans as humans.

[LTiberious]

And they dont have another Squadmate's dialogues in the script. So yeah

[Volc19]

You know, it's generally only the people who only played ME2 that see the Protheans as Collector lookalikes. Everyone else started with the beacons and Ilos as their primary mental image of the Protheans. I know that you have some sort of personal vendetta against the Cthulu faces, but it would be quite the lore error if Prothy bared no semblance to the Protheans in the beacons and engraved on Ilos. Then again, to be consistent with the leak, it is safe to assume that liberties have been taken with the statues to make them more connected to the Collectors in order to solidify the link between the two for those that have a primary stake in ME2.

[LTiberious]

@Volc - Tentacles - renegadish only in japanese porn (!). remember that

Well... I still don't see a guy from the statue in my squad. But a collector look-alike - i do. And many of us i think do.

And another arguement should be thrown - i cant recall insects with tentacles.

[BentOrgy]

As a Japanese man, I can tell you not all our tentacles are renegades.

However, as a future game developer, I can say; yes, they can, and do cheat very, very often. They re-use assets like bandits, and cut plenty of corners when it comes to animations. Yet you say you know "How gamedev works?"

But that's beside the point.

I'd love to see where you got this "Most players think Protheans look like Collectors," information from, and how the hell its from a "gamedev," point of view. Most of this thread's opinion contradicts your assessment, and BSN is the perfect place to look. Because, you know, they're fans.

And again, no, they can't: Collectors all look alike, so unless you're honestly saying that all races looked relatively the same 50,000 years ago, when the Reapers redesigned the species of the Prothean Empire into the Collectors, they made them all completely unrecognizable.

In short; because the Collectors are made up of several species, yet all look identical, you CAN'T use their appearance to gauge how a species looked, True Prothean or otherwise, because if you tried, every species that was converted would look the same. Which is ridiculous.

Yes, there are plotholes in the story, but I fail to see what that has to do with anything here; considering the reasons for Protheans looking like the Ilos Statues are painfully straight forward. The "Buggy," nickname is not exclusive to the Collector look, its just the first thing that comes to your mind because of ME2. As I have repeated, and Volc has said before, it wouldn't be hard for Bioware to tweak the Statue design.

A little retcon to an overall untouched design (The statues.) makes a lot more sense than completely disregarding Mass Effect 1's lore and story, by giving something that isn't even explained that much. The Collectors were introduced, and then never explained until halfway through the story, at which point the revelation that they were once Protheans lasts for about... A two minutes, and is then promptly never mentioned or elaborated on ever again.


And Nassana was still renegade, being paranoid had nothing to do with it; she payed Shepard to kill her own sister, yeah, I'd call that pretty renegade.

Modifié par BentOrgy, 24 janvier 2012 - 05:32 .

[AdmiralCheez]

District 9? In my Mass Effect?

I think I died and went to heaven.

[AVPen]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

District 9? In my Mass Effect?

I think I died and went to heaven.

Now that would be damn awesome.

[Shifty-looking Chicken]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

District 9? In my Mass Effect?

I think I died and went to heaven.

I thought I was in Hell once. Turned out to be a KFC restaurant.

[BentOrgy]

AVPen wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

District 9? In my Mass Effect?

I think I died and went to heaven.

Now that would be damn awesome.

Her dying, or the other thing?

Kidding.

[Someone With Mass]

I liked District 9 as well.

[LTiberious]

I meant Tentacles like Ilos statues

[LTiberious]

BentOrgy wrote...

As a Japanese man, I can tell you not all our tentacles are renegades.

However, as a future game developer, I can say; yes, they can, and do cheat very, very often. They re-use assets like bandits, and cut plenty of corners when it comes to animations. Yet you say you know "How gamedev works?"

But that's beside the point.

I'd love to see where you got this "Most players think Protheans look like Collectors," information from, and how the hell its from a "gamedev," point of view. Most of this thread's opinion contradicts your assessment, and BSN is the perfect place to look. Because, you know, they're fans.

And again, no, they can't: Collectors all look alike, so unless you're honestly saying that all races looked relatively the same 50,000 years ago, when the Reapers redesigned the species of the Prothean Empire into the Collectors, they made them all completely unrecognizable.

In short; because the Collectors are made up of several species, yet all look identical, you CAN'T use their appearance to gauge how a species looked, True Prothean or otherwise, because if you tried, every species that was converted would look the same. Which is ridiculous.

Yes, there are plotholes in the story, but I fail to see what that has to do with anything here; considering the reasons for Protheans looking like the Ilos Statues are painfully straight forward. The "Buggy," nickname is not exclusive to the Collector look, its just the first thing that comes to your mind because of ME2. As I have repeated, and Volc has said before, it wouldn't be hard for Bioware to tweak the Statue design.

A little retcon to an overall untouched design (The statues.) makes a lot more sense than completely disregarding Mass Effect 1's lore and story, by giving something that isn't even explained that much. The Collectors were introduced, and then never explained until halfway through the story, at which point the revelation that they were once Protheans lasts for about... A two minutes, and is then promptly never mentioned or elaborated on ever again.


And Nassana was still renegade, being paranoid had nothing to do with it; she payed Shepard to kill her own sister, yeah, I'd call that pretty renegade.

That was a stereothype joke.

http://social.biowar...3/index/9057661  - poll.

They can simply take one big colony and remake it. There aren't many collectors from what i can see. So at max 5 mill colony of entities consisting of 1 race is enough.

"Buggy" and "More eyes than 2" are quotes from the script.



Renegade=Rebel. Not evil/tends to betray

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Still dont trust BSN on the Poll. Some strange people can be met here, and in great numbers.

Modifié par LTiberious, 24 janvier 2012 - 06:31 .

[LTiberious]

Okay, people do see them as Ilos statues.

Then the people who i asked IRL are different.

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Buggy still persists as an arguement

[BentOrgy]

I knew it was a joke, as I was joking back.

A poll with only five votes? While the votes are obviously in my favor, I don't quite understand why you brought it up. Considering one, as I said, it proves my point, and two, as I also said, there are too few votes to make it valid in any debate.

While its true that all the Collectors we've met could theoretically be from the same colony, that doesn't mean the same species; there are many colonies in the current timeline that house several different species, I doubt 50,000 years ago was any different. Then we have EDI specifically noting that the Collector she scanned was from the Styx Theta Cluster, implying that there were more variations.

Not to mention they were still heavily modified to look that way; and we still have never had any reason to assume that the True Protheans looked like that. For all we know, that form was what Harbinger thought was best for his soldiers to take. Others have recently sparked the idea that they could resemble Harbinger's race. Two lines from an incomplete script are no reason to believe that the True Race looked anything like Collectors, when we have more reasons to say they don't.

And you're splitting hairs now with the renegade/rebel thing. Betraying is a "Renegade," thing to do, and is generally seen as evil.

And strange or not; they're still people, with valid opinions, and most of those valid opinions apparently say; tentacle.

[LTiberious]

There will be more votes, and i already see for which point.

Colony - 10mill people
5 mill one race
5 mill - others.
5 mill of Warfolk->Collectors
5 mill others ->Husks->Help capture all the Warfolk.

Renegade in ME is Rebel. And yes - you cant betray those, to whom you did not sworn allegience.

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But the script says "Buggy, your Sun-Tzu, but with more eyes".
And this just kills your theory.