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[NugatRevolution]

Ferris95 wrote...

rwilli80 wrote...

NugatRevolution wrote...

rwilli80 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Since right handed people are the majority then they'll be the ones that are more represented in media.

But your argument doens't hold up, more gamers are hetero, so by your logic bioware shouldn't be wasting their time making s/s romance options.

?.....   

Is it just me, or did you just contradict yourself?  Perhaps you should reclarify?

Its not a contradiction I was taking the plight of the LGBT gamer wanting a character to be more like them and using it to say your argument for a left handed Shepard is just as valid as theirs. Just because the majority is one way doesn't mean that's the way it should be presented. Your desire for a left handed Shepard should be taken as seriously as a gay or lesbian gamer wanting a gay or lesbian Shepard.

Actually it shouldn't, not really. Show me some examples where left-handed people were discriminated against, demonized, killed on sight and/or denied the basic right to marriage and I'll be more inclined to take you seriously.

Well, in feudal Europe, Lefties were mistrusted by most and demonized by the extreme. 

I'm not exactly sure of the origin, but one instance where Left Handed people were considered 'Sinister' because they should shake your hand and have a dagger behind their back.

[rwilli80]

NugatRevolution wrote...

Ah, your one hole in your arugment is that I want Shepard to be left handed exclusively.

WHich I never said.

I merely want the option to have a left handed Shepard.  Others can pick what they want.

I agree, after rereading what I wrote it did sound like that's what I ment, but what I did mean is you should have the option.. just like other gamers who want their very own Shepard and not to conform to the majority, which I support.

[Prince of Kemet]

rwilli80 wrote...

Ferris95 wrote...

Actually it shouldn't, not really. Show me some examples where left-handed people were discriminated against, demonized, killed on sight and/or denied the basic right to marriage and I'll be more inclined to take you seriously.

We're not talking about that, we're talking about representation in a video game. I am not comparing the plight of those people in real life to the plight of the left handed gamer.. I am comparing the plights of both gamers... key word.

And actually left handed people were ostrisized and thought to be possessed by the devil one time in history.. were do you think the term sinister came from.. its latin for sinistra.. meaning left handed. So I am pretty sure they didn't have a good time back in the middle ages either.

EXCELLENT POINT!!!

[NugatRevolution]

rwilli80 wrote...

NugatRevolution wrote...

Ah, your one hole in your arugment is that I want Shepard to be left handed exclusively.

WHich I never said.

I merely want the option to have a left handed Shepard.  Others can pick what they want.

I agree, after rereading what I wrote it did sound like that's what I ment, but what I did mean is you should have the option.. just like other gamers who want their very own Shepard and not to conform to the majority, which I support.

Oh, okay.  Yeah, your phrasing seemed confrontational. 

[skeeter0992]

You guys have totally derailed a thread. Nobody cares whether altair or desmond or ezio were left handed.

[Masquerade_Assassin]

NugatRevolution wrote...

Masquerade_Assassin wrote...

NugatRevolution wrote...

Masquerade_Assassin wrote...

NugatRevolution wrote...

Hi.

I'm left Handed.


I'm tired of us left handed people being unrepresented in games.

I would like a "Left Handed Shepard" option.

Kthxbai

We are represented in Games.  In Assassin's Creed, the main hidden blade is attached to the Left Hand.

Captian America holds his shield with his left hand.

Within The Mass Effect Universe, I believe Kasumi is left handed as she punches with that hand.  The Omni Tool (primary) is located on the left hand.

We are represented but i'd like to be able to click both control sticks (so it won't happen accidently) and be able to switch how we hold the gun.  I figure the only game I hated as a Lefty was Skate.  You can tweak the board with the right stick but i'd be able to tweak it easier on the left stick.  They never programed an option for that in 2 and I never bought a game past 2. . . 

Wrong:


Altair : Crippled (Mutilated might be a better word) his left hand rather than his right.  Still does everything else with his right hand.  Not left handed.

Captain America: Shield is in left hand, because most melee attackers are right handed.  Therefore the shield is at a superior angle to block damage, Assuming they're right handed.  (Everyone has their shield in their left hand, please do not use this as an argument. )

Altair never "mutilated his hand" he simply cut off his ring finger.  It's a symbol of loyalty and lifelong commitment to the Fraternity.  When you use a melee attack he strikes with his left hand first.  All his weapons are left handed except throwing knifes, but if you don't have a dagger equiped he throws with his left hand.  When he jumps to a ledge, he grabs into it with his left hand.  The hidden Blade in Assassin's Creed I was the ONLY weapon you could use in Assassin's Creed I to assassinate targets. This was because many people are RIGHT handed warriors.  Wielding a weapon with your left hand was difficult to combat.  In Assassin's Creed II, Ezio uses the Hidden Gun and the Posion Blade.  Both are on the left hand.  In Brotherhood, Ezio signals his Assassins with his left hand.  Ezio didn't cut off his finger.  He burned the ring finger on the left hand.

Captian America is a valid option.  You said that left handers aren't represented in games.  Capt is in MUA 1 and 2 and in the New Captian America Movie Game.  He throws his shield with his left hand and his more "heavier attacks" are down with the shield in the left hand.  

...Altair is right handed.  If he was left handed, he would have mutilated his weaker hand (his right) and fought with his sword as a leftie.

Being able to use his left hand in certain scenarios when he still prefers his right in most scenarios does not make him a leftie.


And as for Captain America - You ignored my argument, so I will ignore yours.

You don't seem to understand the retoric of the Assassin's Creed Universe.  The finger was cut off to show dedication to the fraternity and also the Hidden Blade can only be used at the cost of a finger.  If his more dominate hand was the right then the hidden blade would be mounted on his right hand and the right ring finger would be cut off, but it isn't.

[rwilli80]

Ferris95 wrote...

rwilli80 wrote...

Ferris95 wrote...

Actually it shouldn't, not really. Show me some examples where left-handed people were discriminated against, demonized, killed on sight and/or denied the basic right to marriage and I'll be more inclined to take you seriously.

We're not talking about that, we're talking about representation in a video game. I am not comparing the plight of those people in real life to the plight of the left handed gamer.. I am comparing the plights of both gamers... key word.

And actually left handed people were ostrisized and thought to be possessed by the devil one time in history.. were do you think the term sinister came from.. its latin for sinistra.. meaning left handed. So I am pretty sure they didn't have a good time back in the middle ages either.

Didn't mean to get mad, just a sore spot for me. For obvious reasons I guess. And yes I'm aware that left-handed peopl were ostricized at one point, I just misinterpreted your post and got a bit mad at what I thought was you comparing the two groups.

My B.

Not a problem I did the same thing, I misinterpreted somebody elses post in this thread too. Afterall we're just human.. mistakes happen.

[Prince of Kemet]

It's just like driving a car. I recently started playing Forza Motorsports 3 & 4. Every so often I'll buy a car or have one given to me that has the steering wheel on the right side. Do I protest or **** and moan about that? NO. It won't affect how the car operates and it won't affect its performance. If a left-handed Shep and a right-handed Shep fire the same weapon, press the same button....I guarantee the outcome will be the same.

[skeeter0992]

If you had a more dominant hand, Why take a finger off of it? Also, why attach all that weight to an arm that needs to be quick and nimble for sword play?

Dammit, I gave in to this nonsense.

[NugatRevolution]

You seem to ignore that Altair uses his sword with his right hand. Therefore Righthanded. I'm done arguing with you.

[skeeter0992]

No, Im saying "IF" he was left handed. Chances are (about 90%) he is right handed.

[rwilli80]

Prince of Kemet wrote...

It's just like driving a car. I recently started playing Forza Motorsports 3 & 4. Every so often I'll buy a car or have one given to me that has the steering wheel on the right side. Do I protest or **** and moan about that? NO. It won't affect how the car operates and it won't affect its performance. If a left-handed Shep and a right-handed Shep fire the same weapon, press the same button....I guarantee the outcome will be the same.

Is that why firearms companies are putting out more and more variets of left handed weapons? If you're left handed and firing a weapon built for a right handed user your going to get pelted with spent hot casings, you might fumble with the controls until you get use to it, but there is still a learning curve, just like teaching a left handed person who is used to using their left hand for everything to shift with their right hand.

[NugatRevolution]

skeeter0992 wrote...

No, Im saying "IF" he was left handed. Chances are (about 90%) he is right handed.

Wasn't talking to you.   

Just got sick of the 'Half-Page' quote box so I stopped quoting.

[Praetor Knight]

NugatRevolution wrote...

I would like a "Left Handed Shepard" option.

I'd have zero problem having this.

And, if I have enough of an understanding of what this would mean in-game, the most should be a different set of animations, followed by QA.

And here's a fun way to see one's ocular dominance! And this site also has the Miles Test.

I seem to be right eye dominant myself.

Modifié par Praetor Shepard, 01 août 2011 - 05:55 .

[skeeter0992]

My bad. I'm a lefty and I would like to see it, just not the counter strike mirrored weapon version. But its not something I'm losing sleep over.

[NugatRevolution]

skeeter0992 wrote...

My bad. I'm a lefty and I would like to see it, just not the counter strike mirrored weapon version. But its not something I'm losing sleep over.

I dont' REALLY mind either way.  I just find it a bit surprising that you can choose your class, looks and ethics, but can't choose your dominant hand.


if it's THAT much of a programming hassle, I dont' really mind if it's not implimented.

[LPPrince]

No joke, I thought the title was Left Handed Gerbils...UNITE!!

What the fois gras is this?

[skeeter0992]

I think it would be to much trouble. Just the way I pull back the bolt would be completely different.

[Arppis]

Older FPS games atleast had a choice to switch left handed if you wanted. Guess it's harder to do today.

[Dariuszp]

Agree. I'm left handed too. Back in the days, you could select if you want your weapon in left or right hand. But there was only 1st person shooters :-) They just draw weapons on the screen. Here you must alter all animations :-D
Probably too much trouble. Especial with cut-scenes.

[NugatRevolution]

Well, I'm not aware of how modeling works.

The logical course of action would be to have a completely different actor who is left handed go through all the animations again...


Now that I think about it, that does sound like a lot of work...

[Xarathox]

Thread title made me think of this.

Modifié par Xarathox, 01 août 2011 - 06:11 .

[Praetor Knight]

Xarathox wrote...



Thread title made me think of this.

Yes, we need representation!