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Atemeus wrote...

After you reveal the evidence, Tali seems to be equally, or perhaps even more so concerned about the civil unrest that seems to spring up between the Quarian people as political factions begin to become more divided and internal conflict becomes imminent, most likely screwing the Quarians over completely even before they wage suicide against the Geth.


Her father got reckless for results and that led to the deaths of everyone on the Alerei due to his devotion to Tali and wanting to build her a house on the homeworld. Anyone that died on the Alerei was willingly a part of Rael'Zorah's experiments to brainwash and enslave an entire race that now values as a culture its' own ability to self-determination beyond all else.

The Quarians need to see just what the hell their leaders are doing, but not if doing so might put wind under the wings of Daro'Xen's path to self-destructive galactic domination- which is exactly the reason that my Shepard withheld the evidence. Of course, she discovers everything later anyway, but that's a bit of metagaming and also completely unavoidable, in order to provide a villain for ME3.


The Quarians do not need to be going to war against anything but the Reapers, now or in the future. They need to know all of the facts one day, but it is not stupid to preserve the stability of the Quarian people in the short term.

Tali's devotion to her father is indeed selfish, in my opinion. It's one of her biggest flaws actually, her blind devotion to her Dad's reputation. Of course, that's just one more reason to make her better than Liara as it sets her apart from being such a Mary-Sue. But it's also a sign of her rejection of her own needs in favor of others, even in favor of the needs of the dead which is indeed selfless in and of-itself, even if it is in this case an unfitting recipient in our opinions.

I doubt Tali is done growing as a character for the trilogy anyway, because we were told by Casey Hudson's twitter that as a main character Tali has a character story arc and final resolution come ME3, like the others.


100% agree on this. Her devotion to her father might be a little selfish. But when it comes to revealing the evidence, not revealing is the right choise because it would favor war with the geth.

Watch this vid OP and make your choice;)

Modifié par S.A.K, 02 août 2011 - 10:19 .


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Tali is my cannon shepard's true love. altho I did romance liara in ME1 I broke it off with her in ME2 makeing it clear that shepards feelings where only for tali. to me tali is sweet and far more in love with shepard than liara was. liara is kinda more like a fling. you get cought up in the heat of the moment jsut befor you hunt down the bad guy. but with tali she starts with a crush and falls deeply for shepard. her feelings are more true where liara seems to not even care that you dump her and she has a thing with the drell that got kidnapped.

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Atemeus wrote...

After you reveal the evidence, Tali seems to be equally, or perhaps even more so concerned about the civil unrest that seems to spring up between the Quarian people as political factions begin to become more divided and internal conflict becomes imminent, most likely screwing the Quarians over completely even before they wage suicide against the Geth.


Her father got reckless for results and that led to the deaths of everyone on the Alerei due to his devotion to Tali and wanting to build her a house on the homeworld. Anyone that died on the Alerei was willingly a part of Rael'Zorah's experiments to brainwash and enslave an entire race that now values as a culture its' own ability to self-determination beyond all else.

The Quarians need to see just what the hell their leaders are doing, but not if doing so might put wind under the wings of Daro'Xen's path to self-destructive galactic domination- which is exactly the reason that my Shepard withheld the evidence. Of course, she discovers everything later anyway, but that's a bit of metagaming and also completely unavoidable, in order to provide a villain for ME3.


The Quarians do not need to be going to war against anything but the Reapers, now or in the future. They need to know all of the facts one day, but it is not stupid to preserve the stability of the Quarian people in the short term.

I agree with this part.

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yeah, lets not forget tali being dextro based as so many of talimancers proudly claim in the sigs. that doesnt mesh well with humans :P

the entire tali romance is so utterly impractical its laughable (same with garrus, but moreso with tali).

like i said, its not even about her risking her life, or shepard being selfish or anything. its just the amount of emotional stress it'd put on the relationship outside of being galaxy saving heroes. the whole having to prepare and schedule any intimate time together alone would pretty much kill the mood. its just not believable at all.

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S.A.K wrote...

100% agree on this. Her devotion to her father might be a little selfish. But when it comes to revealing the evidence, not revealing is the right choise because it would favor war with the geth.

Watch this vid OP and make your choice;)


Okay that was just depressing... i'd never let tali die

Modifié par darthnick427, 05 août 2011 - 08:52 .


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Atemeus wrote...

Tali isn't even close to fanservice, in fact her romance is the best one in relation to being a natural extension and progression of the character.


Tali's romance was fan service.

Perhaps you weren't here between ME1 and ME2, but Tali was only made romanceable because the main board was being flooded with "Y u no romanceable, Tali?" threads. That, and threads completely unrelated to Tali were often derailed by Talimancers.

Her romance was put into ME2 becacause there was a loud and obnoxious fan demand for it.

If she had been a romance option from the first game I'm guessing some things would have been done differently.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 06 août 2011 - 07:43 .


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Han Shot First wrote...

Atemeus wrote...

Tali isn't even close to fanservice, in fact her romance is the best one in relation to being a natural extension and progression of the character.


Tali's romance was fan service.

Perhaps you weren't here between ME1 and ME2, but Tali was only made romanceable because the main board was being flooded with "Y u no romanceable, Tali?" threads. That, and threads completely unrelated to Tali were often derailed by Talimancers.

Her romance was put into ME2 becacause there was a loud and obnoxious fan demand for it.

If she had been a romance option from the first game I'm guessing some things would have been done differently.

If that is true than why isn't Wrex a permanent member in ME2 and 3 and a romance option he has a large fanbase also by your logic Jacob, Jack, Miranda, and Thane are fan service as well because they weren't romanceable in ME1. Face it Bioware knows what they are doing and Tali's romance was pulled off well.

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Han Shot First wrote...

Atemeus wrote...

Tali isn't even close to fanservice, in fact her romance is the best one in relation to being a natural extension and progression of the character.


Tali's romance was fan service.

Perhaps you weren't here between ME1 and ME2, but Tali was only made romanceable because the main board was being flooded with "Y u no romanceable, Tali?" threads. That, and threads completely unrelated to Tali were often derailed by Talimancers.

Her romance was put into ME2 becacause there was a loud and obnoxious fan demand for it.

If she had been a romance option from the first game I'm guessing some things would have been done differently.

She was intended to be a romance option for ME1.

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Clonedzero wrote...

yeah, lets not forget tali being dextro based as so many of talimancers proudly claim in the sigs. that doesnt mesh well with humans :P

the entire tali romance is so utterly impractical its laughable (same with garrus, but moreso with tali).

like i said, its not even about her risking her life, or shepard being selfish or anything. its just the amount of emotional stress it'd put on the relationship outside of being galaxy saving heroes. the whole having to prepare and schedule any intimate time together alone would pretty much kill the mood. its just not believable at all.

How is that not believable?

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CERBERUSDEMAN wrote...

If that is true than why isn't Wrex a permanent member in ME2 and 3 and a romance option he has a large fanbase 


Wrex can die.

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Roxy12 wrote...

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Lets face it, Tali is loyal, selfless, and smart. That and I can't wait to hear Tali's shock at being picked over an Asari. XP


Tali asks Shepard to hide war crimes from the governing body of her people to preserve her father's memory.

How is that selfless?

She asks Shepard to hide the evidence so that her father isn't made out to be a super devil through the generations at the risk of her own exile; how is that not selfless?Image IPB


But her father was a "super devil" and she tells me to withhold the evidence to protect the image of him. Her stupid father that killed everyone aboard the Alerei. I think some people want to know why their family members and friends had to die and the quarians need to see just what the hell their leaders are actually doing. If they're going to go to war, they need to know all of the facts. Withholding this evidence is just plain selfish.

No, giving the evidence is selfish. It does nothing but convince the quarians to go to war which will likely kill them all. Not to mention it will ruin the image of Tali`s father. No good would come out of it except telling the relatives of those that died what happened.... which is what would happen anyway if you lie about it. Theres NO reason to give them the evidence.
Why do people not get that?

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PseudoEthnic wrote...

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They should. Especially when the entire galaxy is at stake.

With that mind set, none of the romances are smart.

lol true.

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Barquiel wrote...

CERBERUSDEMAN wrote...

If that is true than why isn't Wrex a permanent member in ME2 and 3 and a romance option he has a large fanbase 


Wrex can die.

And so can everyone in ME2.

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CERBERUSDEMAN wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

CERBERUSDEMAN wrote...

If that is true than why isn't Wrex a permanent member in ME2 and 3 and a romance option he has a large fanbase 


Wrex can die.

And so can everyone in ME2.


true

But we already know that...

"For those asking about 'permanent' squad members, don't assume squad members will work the same way as me1 and me2."

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also, liara is actually useful gameplay-wise.

tali is near useless in both games so far

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Clonedzero wrote...

also, liara is actually useful gameplay-wise.

tali is near useless in both games so far

So I guess you could totally remove Tali and get everything done; right it's not like you need her information on Saren showing his connection to geth the council would have made Shepard a Spectre and sent him/her after Saren with no proof whatsoever that they weren't just making stuff up.

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CERBERUSDEMAN wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

also, liara is actually useful gameplay-wise.

tali is near useless in both games so far

So I guess you could totally remove Tali and get everything done; right it's not like you need her information on Saren showing his connection to geth the council would have made Shepard a Spectre and sent him/her after Saren with no proof whatsoever that they weren't just making stuff up.

because story and gameplay are the exact same thing right? :whistle:

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Clonedzero wrote...

CERBERUSDEMAN wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

also, liara is actually useful gameplay-wise.

tali is near useless in both games so far

So I guess you could totally remove Tali and get everything done; right it's not like you need her information on Saren showing his connection to geth the council would have made Shepard a Spectre and sent him/her after Saren with no proof whatsoever that they weren't just making stuff up.

because story and gameplay are the exact same thing right? :whistle:

Well people sometimes use them for the same thingImage IPB either way it's wrong I always used Tali and Wrex the only time I really used Liara was on Noveria for the extra story bits and Ilos in a playthrough that I romanced her because it seemed fitting.

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Liara, definitely. Lair of the Shadow Broker proves her to be your equal and how much she cares for you, even willing to let you go after all that.

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Clonedzero wrote...

CERBERUSDEMAN wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

also, liara is actually useful gameplay-wise.

tali is near useless in both games so far

So I guess you could totally remove Tali and get everything done; right it's not like you need her information on Saren showing his connection to geth the council would have made Shepard a Spectre and sent him/her after Saren with no proof whatsoever that they weren't just making stuff up.

because story and gameplay are the exact same thing right? :whistle:


Clonedzero's got a point.

Plus if it wasn't for Shepard popping up at the right moment b*tch would've have been shot dead. Plus technically even if you did arrive late and she got killed you could just take the evidence you need off her body...so yeah.

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#147
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Clonedzero wrote...

also, liara is actually useful gameplay-wise.

tali is near useless in both games so far

Actually she was the most useful squadmate in ME1. The AI in that game was so bad, your allies never helped out anyway. Tali helps more because she can be used outside of combat. She was also the most useful squadmate against synthetics, and you fight a lot of synthetics in ME1. I dont understand how someone can say she was useless in ME1. Mindboggeling.

Modifié par Quole, 06 août 2011 - 11:47 .


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Soccer FeverMan wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

CERBERUSDEMAN wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

also, liara is actually useful gameplay-wise.

tali is near useless in both games so far

So I guess you could totally remove Tali and get everything done; right it's not like you need her information on Saren showing his connection to geth the council would have made Shepard a Spectre and sent him/her after Saren with no proof whatsoever that they weren't just making stuff up.

because story and gameplay are the exact same thing right? :whistle:


Clonedzero's got a point.

Plus if it wasn't for Shepard popping up at the right moment b*tch would've have been shot dead. Plus technically even if you did arrive late and she got killed you could just take the evidence you need off her body...so yeah.

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...and you save the b*tch Liara in ME1 as well. I doubt Liara would have been able to take out a legion of geth including a colossus in ME2... so your logic is flawed.

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Quole wrote...

...and you save the b*tch Liara in ME1 as well. I doubt Liara would have been able to take out a legion of geth including a colossus in ME2... so your logic is flawed.

Forgive me if I misunderstand but, wasn't it Shepard who took out the legion of Geth and the Colossus? Because the only Geth Colossus I remember in ME2 with Tali involved was on Haestrom, where she was trapped by enemy Geth.

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Unpleasant Implications wrote...

Quole wrote...

...and you save the b*tch Liara in ME1 as well. I doubt Liara would have been able to take out a legion of geth including a colossus in ME2... so your logic is flawed.

Forgive me if I misunderstand but, wasn't it Shepard who took out the legion of Geth and the Colossus? Because the only Geth Colossus I remember in ME2 with Tali involved was on Haestrom, where she was trapped by enemy Geth.

It was. He said Tali would have died to that, I said Liara would have too.