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[dragonfire100]

Wydi wrote...

dragonfire100 wrote...

Ok first off i dont have D3 i dont have TL and i dont have GOW i have fable but thats not the point my point is is that why do you hate DA2 when the inporved the stuff like combat and NPCS in combat cuz aveline is a better tank then alistair.

Because from my point of view, the combat hasn't been improved but just simplified in a way that I can't stand.
I loved to micromanage my NPCs and the fights in DAO, watching over every single move my characters and companions did in combat and create well-functioning tactics for each character.
If I wanted to play a Hack'n'Slash game, I'd buy a Hack'n'Slash game. There are plenty of them out there, with lots of new ones every single month. 
Dragon Age instead is one of the very very few games left that provided classic gameplay, just like their spiritual predecessors NWN, KotOR and BG.
Whether or not Aveline is a better tank than Alistair is totally unimportant.

It really has because the combat in origins was well i hate to say this "scrach head"boring i mean the mage is the most class i hate on origins cuz when you get close they still fire there staff they dont hit with there staff the level up sysem to me was bad really bad cuz to wear armour on your rouge you need to be more stornger atleast on DA2 you can wear armour on level 17.

[DragonRageGT]

Why? Because it is compared to Dragon Age Origins and well, DA2 is really a bad game in the comparison. Also, I don't respect anyone who says rouge instead of Rogue!

Origins combat is boring? I have around 150 vids of Origins (well, 1/3 of those are combat I guess) that prove it's not while boring is a boss like that high dragon in NM diff in DA2... or the rock thing in the Deep Roads ... over 30 minutes of boredom...each!

[PinkDiamondstl]

erynnar wrote...

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

Most people are morons ,thats why...

TROLL IN THE DUNGEON!!!! I thought you ought to know...*faints*

From the mouth of babes...

The only troll here is you and that other guy/girl whatever it is. I'm just stating that Dragon Age 2 was't has bad as people ,make it out to be . I mean look at Fall Out NV people  . WASTE..OF...........MONEY!!!
:pinched::pinched:

[John Epler]

People! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!

Or, in other words, enough with the bickering.

[Wydi]

dragonfire100 wrote...

It really has because the combat in origins was well i hate to say this "scrach head"boring i mean the mage is the most class i hate on origins cuz when you get close they still fire there staff they dont hit with there staff the level up sysem to me was bad really bad cuz to wear armour on your rouge you need to be more stornger atleast on DA2 you can wear armour on level 17.

Both of your points of critique make sense - from a roleplay point of view.
A mage is trained and skilled in magical combat, but not in melee combat. While it wouldn't have been bad to have a skill tree for those situations, a mage will always be stronger when shooting magic projectiles than by hitting his armored opponent with a wooden stick (as long as he's no Shaolin monk).
As for the armors: Well..of course. A rogue isn't meant to wear heavy armor in the first place. If he does want to do so anyways, he'll have to deal with the weight. And what attribute is more suitable to do so than strength?
A level is just an indicator for experience, it's nothing that has any physical meaning to a character, as all comes down to how you spend your attribute points. You wanna wear that fancy new massive armor? Then spend your points on a little more strength! You want to increase your mana/stamina pool? Then get some more willpower.
That's what skilling is all about. 

Have you ever worn a medieval armor? I can assure you that you possibly won't be able to run around with for longer than an hour. Those tend to be very heavy and a great encumbrance to the person wearing it.
You will need Strength to wear it. It's just physics. 

[PinkDiamondstl]

I love Dragon Age 2.

[Stronger_khan]

DA2 was teh first of the series ive played, i usually spend my gaming on call of duty, well mainly first persons, in my view its refreshing to step out of that genre and see a world like DA2, its not too full of itsself to as u have to read every word to know whats happening, its good story,  nice graphics, and interesting characters....to be honest there are why more serious subpar games being made these days to bash on DA2, ive been playign it for abotu 2 days and still haevnt left the city...lol, i like to look around....i guess thats why i liked the dumbed down fighting, from the FPS genre im accustomed too, but i accept that...happy gaming

Modifié par Stronger_khan, 03 août 2011 - 03:30 .

[DragonRageGT]

Damn.. that's some really hard to read English, particularly for non-english speakers... it's like you're born to play DA2.. and CoD!

[KnightofPhoenix]

That is very unfair Rage. With all due respect.

[erynnar]

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

I love Dragon Age 2.

Good, I'm glad (for real) and all of that without calling people who disagree with you morons. 

[John Epler]

RageGT wrote...

Damn.. that's some really hard to read English, particularly for non-english speakers... it's like you're born to play DA2.. and CoD!

This is exactly the kind of post we don't need.

The 'people who play those games are dumb' path is not one I recommend treading.

Modifié par JohnEpler, 03 août 2011 - 03:41 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

I say that it's a bad RPG because the core roleplaying gameplay was effectively removed, compared to DAO. The voice, dialogue wheel, and paraphrases all serve to harm roleplaying by limiting player agency.

The parts of the game that are generally viewed as non-roleplaying components (I dispute that any part of an RPG is non-roleplaying content) such as combat, inventory, and level-design were all changed in ways that I see as moves in entirely the wrong direction.

Really. Making the combat like DAO's combat would be better. Making the loot and inventory like DAO's would be better. Designing the levels like DAO's would be better. Nearly every aspect of DA2 was worse than the corresponding features in DAO.

[Siansonea]

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

I love Dragon Age 2.

Me too. Especially after I customized the party member Tactics. Totally different game when your party actually does smart things like take potions when their health is low.

I really enjoyed the characters, especially Isabela and Aveline. And while there were story moments that made me raise an eyebrow, there certainly weren't as many as in some other games I played. I played through the game four times, three Mages and a Warrior. I still haven't completed my Rogue playthrough though, I'm not very fond of the Rogue combat role, for some reason. I've played two ManHawkes and two LadyHawkes so far, and I think I prefer ManHawke. I do want to play another LadyHawke that romances Sebastian at some point.

I think a lot of people enjoyed DA2, but aren't as vocal about it as the people who disliked the game. I think in general people are more vocal about things they dislike.

[Siansonea]

JohnEpler wrote...

People! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!

Or, in other words, enough with the bickering.

A Dr. Strangelove reference? You're my new best friend. Love Kubrick.

[DragonRageGT]

Yeah, it's unfair and I'm sorry... I never said dumb though... *whistles and walks way with soft steps*

Siansonea II wrote...

Me too. Especially after I
customized the party member Tactics. Totally different game when your party actually does smart things like take potions when their health is low. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png[/smilie]

The use potion thing worked in Origins as well but if  there is one MAJOR improvement in DA2 from DAO is the tactics indeed. I never used any mods for that in Origins and there were many actions I'd like to set up and weren't
available.. some didn't seem to work too.

But DA2 really improved those. I liked playing without babysitting my party after spending a long time adjusting every possible companion tactics to every possible situation. (thanks to some nice NM two hander threads too)

Modifié par RageGT, 03 août 2011 - 04:13 .

[Stronger_khan]

i dont mind the hate i spend more time on a thumbsticks than keyboards, but i agree the tactics setup is sweet

[erynnar]

Siansonea II wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

People! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!

Or, in other words, enough with the bickering.

A Dr. Strangelove reference? You're my new best friend. Love Kubrick.

I second this! One of my favorite movies.

[erynnar]

Siansonea II wrote...

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

I love Dragon Age 2.

Me too. Especially after I customized the party member Tactics. Totally different game when your party actually does smart things like take potions when their health is low.

I really enjoyed the characters, especially Isabela and Aveline. And while there were story moments that made me raise an eyebrow, there certainly weren't as many as in some other games I played. I played through the game four times, three Mages and a Warrior. I still haven't completed my Rogue playthrough though, I'm not very fond of the Rogue combat role, for some reason. I've played two ManHawkes and two LadyHawkes so far, and I think I prefer ManHawke. I do want to play another LadyHawke that romances Sebastian at some point.

I think a lot of people enjoyed DA2, but aren't as vocal about it as the people who disliked the game. I think in general people are more vocal about things they dislike.

I would agree with that, I certainly didn't speak out about how great DAO was when I should have. I just enjoyed it.

[Darth Krytie]

Personally, I loved DA2. I also loved Origins. I have no issue with people disliking either game. Though, I truly do not understand why people expend so much energy on it. If you hated DA2, I understand...it's too bad...and all...but why are you still posting about how much you hate it, four months after you played it? When I don't like a game, I sell it back to Gamestop, get my three bucks, and never spend another moment thinking about it.

[Realmzmaster]

I do not understand where gamers on this forum get the idea that people who play COD and other FPS are mental midgets. Many of those people some of the gamers on this forum are calling dumb will probably be examining their X-Rays in the morning or discovering the next potent drug in the war on disease.

Please, you do not need a degree in rocket science to play a CRPG. I play games from FPS to Total War and HPS simulations. Sometimes I am not in the mood to play a CRPG so I grab a FPS which can be just as involving as an CRPG. I want to have fun.

I liked DA2 because I had fun.That makes it worth the money IMHO. I sometimes grab Mortal Combat or Street Fighter because my daughter and son-in-law like to play them. and I get to play with them.

I play Wii sports because my wife likes the bowling game and we can have fun together. My wife likes to play Duck Hunt (and for information purposes she holds two masters and has been teaching at the college level for twenty years), because she has fun. And sometimes after work she just wants to shoot something. The bottom line for me in playing any game is to have fun. So if Stronger_khan had fun then more power to him.

[Darth Krytie]

Realmzmaster wrote...

I do not understand where gamers on this forum get the idea that people who play COD and other FPS are mental midgets. Many of those people some of the gamers on this forum are calling dumb will probably be examining their X-Rays in the morning or discovering the next potent drug in the war on disease.

Please, you do not need a degree in rocket science to play a CRPG. I play games from FPS to Total War and HPS simulations. Sometimes I am not in the mood to play a CRPG so I grab a FPS which can be just as involving as an CRPG. I want to have fun.

I liked DA2 because I had fun.That makes it worth the money IMHO. I sometimes grab Mortal Combat or Street Fighter because my daughter and son-in-law like to play them. and I get to play with them.

I play Wii sports because my wife likes the bowling game and we can have fun together. My wife likes to play Duck Hunt (and for information purposes she holds two masters and has been teaching at the college level for twenty years), because she has fun. And sometimes after work she just wants to shoot something. The bottom line for me in playing any game is to have fun. So if Stronger_khan had fun then more power to him.

So, you're telling me that Gaming is for fun...and it's not srs bzns? What a revelation.

lol I agree, though. I game for enjoyment. Not so I can brag to people I've never met that I beat X game on Level So Insane You'll Cry Tears Of Joy When It's Over. I do it for the fun. And when a game's not fun, I don't waste time playing it or talking about it.

[Stronger_khan]

i had a blasty blast!
http://steamcommunit...677966625096256

[comrade8472]

Kevin Lynch wrote...

Wow, I didn't think there were enough hours in a couple of days to complete the game with normal life like eating, sleeping, and personal hygiene interfering. You must have blown through it with very little branching into the side quests and exploring. How much time did you spend on non-main plot points?

you think that was bad....
back when the game was released (I had no life)

Did 3 complete playthroughs of Dragon age 2 as much of the quests that at the time were completeable and as much of the story as possible and a complete dragon age origins playthrough all the Dlc except golem of agmorok all in 3 weeks.
haven't played since though....
*  Spoilers removed by user
any thing else? Right all on 360

Modifié par comrade8472, 03 août 2011 - 04:53 .

[Rafficus III]

Darth Obvious wrote...

hornedfrog87 wrote...

It has it's faults and I can name numerous, but it does not negate that it is a good DA game, let alone a good game in general. I can also name numerous flaws with Origins as well, but when we start discussing these flaws true RPG fans seem to clam up or become a little heated.

I think Origins was much better than DA2, but I will readily admit Origins flaws:

- tedious inventory system (and how backpacks are somehow such a rare, hard-to-find item)
- repetitive combat
- levels that seemed to never end (e.g. Deep Roads)

Aside from the few flaws, Origins had a fantastic story, and it laid the foundation for what could have been a really good franchise. Unfortunately, the people at Bioware have never heard the expression "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" because they completely gutted DA2, taking away much of what made the original game good...

DA2:

- terrible story. The ultimate conflict between the Qunari and the people of Kirkwall ended up being merely a sideshow to the sophomoric 3rd act. Worst ending to a Bioware title ever (until Legacy came along and was possibly even worse). Also, the framed narrative was a pointless waste of time.
- combat is even more repetitive than DA:O, since the ridiculous enemy paratrooper "waves" occur in virtually every fight. Were they trying to make this game hopelessly boring, or what? There is no way they could have playtested this, or their playtesters would have been put to sleep by this tedium.
- inability to customize teammates' armors, and even the armor options for the main character have been drastically reduced compared to the original game. Giving the player a lot fewer choices is never a good idea, and many of the choices that should be up to the player have now all been decided by the devs. Is this my game or someone else's? Weird. Effective way to kill replay value, though. Thanks for saving me some time.
- recycled maps to the point of absurdity. Again, inducing boredom is never a good idea, Bioware.
- same tedious inventory system as in DA:O.
- inability to truly affect the world around you with your choices. Instead of being the player in an RPG, you are just a spectator along for the ride. Ugh...

What they fixed in DA2:

- no more levels that go on forever

That's it. They fixed one thing, and butchered most of the rest of the game, to the point that it is barely recognizable as Dragon Age. DA2 isn't even close to being a "good" game, and was one of the biggest let-downs in all of my years of gaming.

I'll respectfully disagree with this. Several of your points read off more as insults, rather than providing input on how it could have been improved. And most of it, I really do not see eye to eye with. I used to have Origins on the PS3 and racked up 12 characters, along with all the achievements. The previous months before DA2 released I traded it in for the Ultimate Edition of the 360 and did the same thing, just with 8 others. Since DA2's release, I have played as somewhere around 6 to 8 different characters. I've invested some time. So here's my rebuttal:

Origins flaws

Other races: Genlocks were green midgets. Qunari were larger scaled humans and elves were smaller scaled humans with pointy ears. To anyone other than a serious RPG fan, it can be seen as terrible art development. DA2 improved this by transforming genlocks into beasts that looked like they could kill you, not steal your lucky charms. The Qunari were more developed in their philosophy as well as given an edgy look, that I'd say paid off. The elves I will say looked rather like Avatar inspirations, but set themselves apart from looking incredibly human.

Combat: at times incredibly slow and, like you said, tedious. Play as a warrior at the gates of Denerim in the final scene and watch how many times your enemies are cut down before you even land a hit. At other times, your character will struggle to set up a foundation to attack and in turn continues to shake giving of the illusion they are humping some poor darkspawn. DA2 sped this up and fixed the stuttering glitch. Also, rogues and mages are now insanely fun to play as because of how Bioware gave each class unique and distinguishing traits.

Graphics: I'm sorry, but they do matter. A friend saw me playing Origins when it was released and mistook it for being an older game than Baldurs Gate 2 because of it's visuals. Though DA2's graphics aren't great, they're a step in the right direction. But Bioware, this is 2011, I want to see DA3 have amazing graphics like what I've seen in ME3 so far.

Story: "Oh no he didn't." Yes, yes I did. I love Origins, I love the Lore, I love the characters, but you cannot get anymore D&D cookie cutter story-wise. You know, unstoppable hero gathers allies in unlikely places to lead humanity's last defense against an ensuing war with monsters and dragons. You truly cannot mock DA2 for it's story without examining Origins story first.

Dialogue: the script selection along with the only form of suggestive dialogue given by the Warden carried out by a brow raise speaks for itself. It was rather anticlimactic in my opinion.

DA2's flaws

Recycling: I think Bioware got the memo on this from one of the posts I saw by Laidlaw. To touch on this, Legacy fixed this problem as I saw no recyclying.

Loot: I really don't want to have 20X ornate rings or belts, I want some inventory that has a little meaning to it like what Origins offered.

Story: the Qunari are very fascinating in my opinion and I think the game easily could have centered on their people and Qunari invasions. The story is not terrible, but I felt like it was rushed at times and kept us from memorable moments. I would have liked to have seen Aveline's wedding, just an example.

Battles: slow them down a bit, just not to Origins style though. This isn't DBZ, so no need to go 100 MPH. Also, bring back the epic finishers. Pulling finishing moves in Origins was the main reason I enjoyed battles; it was a reward in of itself.

I saw no real problem with others armor as it kept me from focusing on the tasks and game at hand rather than equipping like crazy. And to be honest, a majority of my characters and companions only deviated armor every now and again in Origins when I reached a certain level. DA2 affected the world greatly by how characters responded to you and what quests opened or closed. Can anyone say Grace? And that nifty little statue you get for killing the Arishok, I'd say you changed the world.

Maybe I enjoyed this game more than I thought. Nevertheless, I respect your opinions, however I don't fully embrace most of them. I truly enjoyed and loved both games and I look forward too more DLC and DA3.

Modifié par hornedfrog87, 03 août 2011 - 04:59 .

[erynnar]

Realmzmaster wrote...

I do not understand where gamers on this forum get the idea that people who play COD and other FPS are mental midgets. Many of those people some of the gamers on this forum are calling dumb will probably be examining their X-Rays in the morning or discovering the next potent drug in the war on disease.

Please, you do not need a degree in rocket science to play a CRPG. I play games from FPS to Total War and HPS simulations. Sometimes I am not in the mood to play a CRPG so I grab a FPS which can be just as involving as an CRPG. I want to have fun.

I liked DA2 because I had fun.That makes it worth the money IMHO. I sometimes grab Mortal Combat or Street Fighter because my daughter and son-in-law like to play them. and I get to play with them.

I play Wii sports because my wife likes the bowling game and we can have fun together. My wife likes to play Duck Hunt (and for information purposes she holds two masters and has been teaching at the college level for twenty years), because she has fun. And sometimes after work she just wants to shoot something. The bottom line for me in playing any game is to have fun. So if Stronger_khan had fun then more power to him.

I don't get that attitude either Realz. I like my Wii, and I am well educated and have degrees. I am not fond of shooters just because I am bad at them. ROFL! I have many friends who love FPS and hack and slash, CoD, etc. I love to play silly Wii games and solitaire for heavens sake.