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[Lydia]

It was not that DA2 is bad...the problem was Origins was so good. (If being exceptional can ever be a problem) As a result, we ourselves raised expectations for anything that followed to such an extent that anything produced would be found lacking in one way or another. I find this heightened expectation often happens with series and sequels in other genres beside RPGs.

Oh yeah, do not bother with Sebastian his corset is laced too tight...although he protests too much, methinks! I actually wanted to slaughter him in the chantry at one point.

[ApostleinTriumph]

It's a playable game, but compared to Origins it fails in everything except Combat, which is much more quicker.

Oh, about combat, the Call of Duty spawning is terrible. So even that is not good uniformly.

[AllThatJazz]

erynnar wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

People! You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!

Or, in other words, enough with the bickering.

A Dr. Strangelove reference? You're my new best friend. Love Kubrick.

I second this! One of my favorite movies.

Thirded!  Love Kubrick, am also a Peter Sellers fan

Also, I really enjoyed DA2 (especially the characters, I'm a huge fan of Aveline and Varric), despite the repetitive and bland environments and feeling as though the third act fell apart completely. I tend not to be as vocal about my enjoyment of the game as maybe I should be, partly because I have to qualify it with a load of criticisms, and also because I totally understand where those who really dislike the game are coming from so I find it hard to argue with them Also, many of those who don't like the game are my friends here - so I usually just keep my voice down and hope no-one notices I'm a closet DA2 fan! 

[Sakatox]

Can i nail that closet shut then? Your fanness reeks and leaks out.
Enjoyment and DA2 should never be mentioned in the same sentence, just because so many things were wrong with it.(As in everything, except for *maybe* Varric's chesthair.)

Not to burst anyone's bubble, but DA:O and DA:O-A wasn't all that holy either, it was just a savior in times dire and starved. No actually good "hardcore pnp tabletop pc rpg" was around at the time, or was about to be released and DA:O came into the picture, with all its problems and goodness. It was a good time kill, but anyone saying it's GREAT is a bit delusional. Mediocre to good.

DA2 on the other hand? Abysmal, horrid, utter horse-....

[Xewaka]

Expectations. It's not so much it being actively bad (the average of proffesional reviews place it in between "adequate" and good), but it has more to do with the fact that people expected something better and closer to DA:O. Also, to many people it feels as an early beta / late alpha build in various points when playing.
In my particular opinion, the gameplay/story segregation issues and the utterly useless paraphrase system, combined with a complete lack of pacebreakers in the gameplay and the random restrictions in companion building made the game not as enjoyable as I hoped.

Sakatox wrote...
Not to burst anyone's bubble, but DA:O and DA:O-A wasn't all that holy either, it was just a savior in times dire and starved. No actually good "hardcore pnp tabletop pc rpg" was around at the time, or was about to be released and DA:O came into the picture, with all its problems and goodness.

People always forget about Drakensang. I know it's made by an obscure german developer based on an obscure german PnP RPG ruleset and setting, but still. I've yet to see another game with a character sheet as lovely as Drakensang's.

Modifié par Xewaka, 03 août 2011 - 12:00 .

[KalDurenik]

DAO had flaws... Hell i could write a book about it. Its like a super light and easy version of a CRPG that lacked depth in the rpg, stats, combat and tactics area. Lets not forget in choices and exploration also.

However if DAO had flaws then i dont even know where to put DA2... The game is a mess... Its rushed have alot of bad design choices, copy pasted areas, bad companions, lacks any depth what so ever. No tactics required, the choices have no impact worth mentioning, the lore holes are so large that im not bioware can ever fix them and the story is all over the place.

[bEVEsthda]

KalDurenik wrote...

DAO had flaws... Hell i could write a book about it. Its like a super light and easy version of a CRPG that lacked depth in the rpg, stats, combat and tactics area. Lets not forget in choices and exploration also.

......  ---

 - QUICKLY, QUICKLY!  TELL ME WHAT OTHER CRP GAMES YOU NORMALLY PLAY!  AND WHERE CAN I GET THEM?

Modifié par bEVEsthda, 03 août 2011 - 11:16 .

[MorrigansLove]

The story in DA2 is the worst I've ever seen in a RPG.

[TEWR]

erynnar wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...

I do not understand where gamers on this forum get the idea that people who play COD and other FPS are mental midgets. Many of those people some of the gamers on this forum are calling dumb will probably be examining their X-Rays in the morning or discovering the next potent drug in the war on disease.

Please, you do not need a degree in rocket science to play a CRPG. I play games from FPS to Total War and HPS simulations. Sometimes I am not in the mood to play a CRPG so I grab a FPS which can be just as involving as an CRPG. I want to have fun.

I liked DA2 because I had fun.That makes it worth the money IMHO. I sometimes grab Mortal Combat or Street Fighter because my daughter and son-in-law like to play them. and I get to play with them.

I play Wii sports because my wife likes the bowling game and we can have fun together. My wife likes to play Duck Hunt (and for information purposes she holds two masters and has been teaching at the college level for twenty years), because she has fun. And sometimes after work she just wants to shoot something. The bottom line for me in playing any game is to have fun. So if Stronger_khan had fun then more power to him.

I don't get that attitude either Realz. I like my Wii, and I am well educated and have degrees. I am not fond of shooters just because I am bad at them. ROFL! I have many friends who love FPS and hack and slash, CoD, etc. I love to play silly Wii games and solitaire for heavens sake.

I don't get it either. I play CoD when I'm in the mood, and I'm not an idiot. In fact, I have a really high IQ, as do many of my friends who also play CoD.

I think what makes CoD such a strong franchise is the adrenaline rush people get when they play.

Also, I have a Wii too! Sadly the only good games I have for it are Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn, and Wii Sports. Everything else I've seen is horrendous. Well, save for anything Pokemon related. Pokemon is always awesome

[Wydi]

Xewaka wrote...

People always forget about Drakensang. I know it's made by an obscure german developer based on an obscure german PnP RPG ruleset and setting, but still. I've yet to see another game with a character sheet as lovely as Drakensang's.

*cough* *cough*  What is the "obscure" supposed to mean? <_<
I grew up with this DSA a.k.a. The Dark Eye a.k.a. the Drakensang PnP! 

[nitefyre410]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

erynnar wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...

I do not understand where gamers on this forum get the idea that people who play COD and other FPS are mental midgets. Many of those people some of the gamers on this forum are calling dumb will probably be examining their X-Rays in the morning or discovering the next potent drug in the war on disease.

Please, you do not need a degree in rocket science to play a CRPG. I play games from FPS to Total War and HPS simulations. Sometimes I am not in the mood to play a CRPG so I grab a FPS which can be just as involving as an CRPG. I want to have fun.

I liked DA2 because I had fun.That makes it worth the money IMHO. I sometimes grab Mortal Combat or Street Fighter because my daughter and son-in-law like to play them. and I get to play with them.

I play Wii sports because my wife likes the bowling game and we can have fun together. My wife likes to play Duck Hunt (and for information purposes she holds two masters and has been teaching at the college level for twenty years), because she has fun. And sometimes after work she just wants to shoot something. The bottom line for me in playing any game is to have fun. So if Stronger_khan had fun then more power to him.

I don't get that attitude either Realz. I like my Wii, and I am well educated and have degrees. I am not fond of shooters just because I am bad at them. ROFL! I have many friends who love FPS and hack and slash, CoD, etc. I love to play silly Wii games and solitaire for heavens sake.

I don't get it either. I play CoD when I'm in the mood, and I'm not an idiot. In fact, I have a really high IQ, as do many of my friends who also play CoD.

I think what makes CoD such a strong franchise is the adrenaline rush people get when they play.

Also, I have a Wii too! Sadly the only good games I have for it are Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn, and Wii Sports. Everything else I've seen is horrendous. Well, save for anything Pokemon related. Pokemon is always awesome

I never  understood that attitude  either and comes off to me at least as snobbish and childish .  I play all types of games from  RPGS(JRPGS and WRPGS)   FPS,   Fighting Games, and  Action/Adventure platformors.      I think honestly it just sour grapes  becasue  some of them feel  Bioware  Console -fied the game and that console gamers  are some how subpar to their PC counterparts.  Another notion that I laugh at as well.   I play both  MW and MW 2 in the COD series  and enjoyed then  greatly.    One the Reasons why I play RPG is becasue its a relaxing  experience for me.  Once I get tired of trying to process frame rates, memorize combos,  and get character timing down.   RPGS at least some are not that  hard and are not meant to be that hard.    

[Cutlass Jack]

Xewaka wrote...

People always forget about Drakensang. I know it's made by an obscure german developer based on an obscure german PnP RPG ruleset and setting, but still. I've yet to see another game with a character sheet as lovely as Drakensang's.

Drakensang's main problem is it assumes you have the PnP rulebook hanging around somewhere, so it doesn't explain much about the rules its playing by. But other than that, a fun series of games for the price. Definately reccomended.

[Persephone]

MorrigansLove wrote...

The story in DA2 is the worst I've ever seen in a RPG.

Play Gothic IV, Fable I&II, Risen, Two Worlds, Might and Magic X and then I dare you to repeat that claim.

[Darth Krytie]

Persephone wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

The story in DA2 is the worst I've ever seen in a RPG.

Play Gothic IV, Fable I&II, Risen, Two Worlds, Might and Magic X and then I dare you to repeat that claim.

This. People totally need some more perspective before tossing superlatives around.

[Mr.House]

MorrigansLove wrote...

The story in DA2 is the worst I've ever seen in a RPG.

Play more RPGs.

[Persephone]

KalDurenik wrote...

However if DAO had flaws then i dont even know where to put DA2... The game is a mess... Its rushed have alot of bad design choices, copy pasted areas, bad companions, lacks any depth what so ever. No tactics required, the choices have no impact worth mentioning, the lore holes are so large that im not bioware can ever fix them and the story is all over the place.

Design choices are subjective.

The writing for the companions was Bioware at its best IMHO. Varric....best character of the whole franchise.

Also, with me, it left a much deeper impression than DAO ever did.

Haven't encountered any large lore breakers in 8 playthroughs.

Loved the story except for one of the 2 endings. But then, half of DAO's endings are messed up too.

[Persephone]

Sakatox wrote...

Can i nail that closet shut then? Your fanness reeks and leaks out.
Enjoyment and DA2 should never be mentioned in the same sentence, just because so many things were wrong with it.(As in everything, except for *maybe* Varric's chesthair.)
.

According to which dogma, pray?:innocent:

[Persephone]

RageGT wrote...

Damn.. that's some really hard to read English, particularly for non-english speakers... it's like you're born to play DA2.. and CoD!

How very quaint....given that the above is not spot on English either.

Let me guess, smart people were born to play The Witcher 2? Given that such an utterly complex, political plot clearly is too much for anyone who loves DAII.

The arrogance....the mind BOGGLES!

[AngryFrozenWater]

Persephone wrote...

Sakatox wrote...

Can i nail that closet shut then? Your fanness reeks and leaks out.
Enjoyment and DA2 should never be mentioned in the same sentence, just because so many things were wrong with it.(As in everything, except for *maybe* Varric's chesthair.).

According to which dogma, pray?:innocent:

Dogma? That cannot change how I feel about a game. If I finish it 4 times then it must do something good.

[Persephone]

Darth Krytie wrote...

Persephone wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

The story in DA2 is the worst I've ever seen in a RPG.

Play Gothic IV, Fable I&II, Risen, Two Worlds, Might and Magic X and then I dare you to repeat that claim.

This. People totally need some more perspective before tossing superlatives around.

Having joined Steam and browsing their "RPG" section actually doubled my affection for DAII. Some MAJOR duds on there.

[Persephone]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Sakatox wrote...

Can i nail that closet shut then? Your fanness reeks and leaks out.
Enjoyment and DA2 should never be mentioned in the same sentence, just because so many things were wrong with it.(As in everything, except for *maybe* Varric's chesthair.).

According to which dogma, pray?:innocent:

Dogma? That cannot change how I feel about a game. If I finish it 4 times then it must do something good.

Don't confuse everything with LOGIC. We DAII lovers cannot grasp something so complex! :lol:

Modifié par Persephone, 03 août 2011 - 03:38 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

Persephone wrote...

Darth Krytie wrote...

Persephone wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

The story in DA2 is the worst I've ever seen in a RPG.

Play Gothic IV, Fable I&II, Risen, Two Worlds, Might and Magic X and then I dare you to repeat that claim.

This. People totally need some more perspective before tossing superlatives around.

Having joined Steam and browsing their "RPG" section actually doubled my affection for DAII. Some MAJOR duds on there.

Let me get this right... The store in which you buy your games doesn't have any bad RPGs? That's interesting. Which store do you use?

[Mr.House]

Persephone wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Sakatox wrote...

Can i nail that closet shut then? Your fanness reeks and leaks out.
Enjoyment and DA2 should never be mentioned in the same sentence, just because so many things were wrong with it.(As in everything, except for *maybe* Varric's chesthair.).

According to which dogma, pray?:innocent:

Dogma? That cannot change how I feel about a game. If I finish it 4 times then it must do something good.

Don't confuse everything with LOGIC. We DAII lovers cannot grasp something so complex! :lol:

My brain hurts.

[Persephone]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Darth Krytie wrote...

Persephone wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

The story in DA2 is the worst I've ever seen in a RPG.

Play Gothic IV, Fable I&II, Risen, Two Worlds, Might and Magic X and then I dare you to repeat that claim.

This. People totally need some more perspective before tossing superlatives around.

Having joined Steam and browsing their "RPG" section actually doubled my affection for DAII. Some MAJOR duds on there.

Let me get this right... The store in which you buy your games doesn't have any bad RPGs? That's interesting. Which store do you use?

Well, Saturn Austria messes up a lot, but their (limited) RPG section isn't 90% meh in my opinion.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Persephone wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Darth Krytie wrote...

Persephone wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

The story in DA2 is the worst I've ever seen in a RPG.

Play Gothic IV, Fable I&II, Risen, Two Worlds, Might and Magic X and then I dare you to repeat that claim.

This. People totally need some more perspective before tossing superlatives around.

Having joined Steam and browsing their "RPG" section actually doubled my affection for DAII. Some MAJOR duds on there.

Let me get this right... The store in which you buy your games doesn't have any bad RPGs? That's interesting. Which store do you use?

Well, Saturn Austria messes up a lot, but their (limited) RPG section isn't 90% meh in my opinion.

Let me get out of your way then. It looks like you are more interested in trolling today.