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[Realmzmaster]

Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion. lolnoobs liked DA2 corkey sweet did not. lolnoobs got his/her money's worth corkey sweet did not. Everyone else YMMV.

[Wydi]

lolnoobs wrote...

Wydi wrote...

Realistic?
Yes
Well, you know, there were no factories in the older days.
So they made everything in the dirt outside?
Every single piece of armor or cloth was unique.
Ofcourse, but only very very very small details, no point wasting time on that.
And why would any person walk around in 100% the same clothing for 10 (!) years? 
More effecient? If it isn't broken, no point replacing it then.
And why do 2 different (!) caves in 2 different places look totally the same?
The maker did it. Easier that way.
That's not realism, it's just lame.
Just like real life.
Btw: Fenris lived in that mansion for 10 years and never managed to remove the corpses and the dirt lying around everywhere. Is that realism, too?
Fenris is an elf, he's really lazy.

1) No
2) What I mean is: There was no assembly-line type of production, since everything was made by hand and by mostly independent crafters/tailors/smiths without any specifications on how to do it. The only exception would be the mass produced armors and weapons of the city guards.
3) There are much greater differences than you might think. Just look at the companion's clothing. Every single one of them differs from the ones of the other companions, while the rest of all the NPCs share no more than a handful of pieces.
4) One (!) single bloody suit for 10 years? I wouldn't complain if there were 10 types of clothing for ..say..Isabela to choose from. But it was only one. Nobody would do that. 
5), 6) and 7): Meh. <_<

[contextual_entity]

Dragon Age 2 isn't a bad game. It is, however, a bad game by Bioware standards.

This being the Bioware forums, you can understand how some people could be a bit miffed at that.

[Dial_595]

I sincerely believed Dragon Age 2 was a bad gaming experience entirely by its own merits, with some undeservedly favourable reviews coming in at the release, only to be replaced by scathing ones further on down the line.

I do however think that Legacy was a redeeming experience, and it gives me hope they'll make some further alterations/patching to bring the game up to a higher standard with more DLC in the future.

[Savber100]

Dragon Age 2 wasn't bad.

Dragon Age 2 was disappointing.

Mix that with DA2 being the first Bioware game that was disappointing (for me) and that disappointment increases exponentially and turns into frustration and anger. 

Modifié par Savber100, 04 août 2011 - 09:47 .

[Wydi]

Savber100 wrote...

Dragon Age 2 wasn't bad.

Dragon Age 2 was disappointing.

Mix that with the first Bioware game that was disappointing (for me) and that disappointment increases exponentially and turns into frustration and anger. 

Interesting. Normally, players tend like DAO or DA2 (or both), but you're the first one who was disappointed by both of them. 
Mind to explain what exactly you didn't like and what your "perfect game" would look like?

[LilyasAvalon]

Savber100 wrote...

Dragon Age 2 wasn't bad.

Dragon Age 2 was disappointing.

Mix that with the first Bioware game that was disappointing (for me) and that disappointment increases exponentially and turns into frustration and anger. 

You're more of a sci-fi or shooter gamer then? 

[contextual_entity]

Wydi wrote...

Mind to explain what exactly you didn't like and what your "perfect game" would look like?

I know this wasn't directed at me, but... Planescape: Torment HD, using the RED Engine* and full voice acting by the original cast.

Alas, it shall never be.

*Subject to change.

[LilyasAvalon]

Amitar wrote...

Dragon Age 2 isn't a bad game. It is, however, a bad game by Bioware standards.

This being the Bioware forums, you can understand how some people could be a bit miffed at that.

Dragon Age 2 could've been good. It was an interesting game on it's own to play, but felt more like some sort of cheap rip off produced by a second rate company.

I originally fell in love with Bioware games for story value, it was disappointing to have a game that literally had no interesting or even stable story structure. But I also HATED the way the devs treated us about our reaction to the game, and no, I don't mean the 'wtf? this game sucks B%$#S' reaction, I mean the costructive critisim ones, the ones maturely done. It was just.... insulting.

On an interesting side note, even EA eventually admitted they screwed up with DA2.

[Savber100]

Wydi wrote...

Interesting. Normally, players tend like DAO or DA2 (or both), but you're the first one who was disappointed by both of them. 
Mind to explain what exactly you didn't like and what your "perfect game" would look like?

*rereads his post*

Wth are you talking about? 

I said DA2 was disappointing but not necessarily bad. Couple that with DA2 being the FIRST disappointment, I was annoyed/angry. 

Let me edit my statement so that you can understand it better. 

LilyasAvalon wrote...

You're more of a sci-fi or shooter gamer then? 

I... What.... I can't..

Read above. 

Even if I hated both DA games, why make such a retarded generalization that I'm a shooter or a sci-fi lover as if that was some implied negativity to it? 

Modifié par Savber100, 04 août 2011 - 09:47 .

[Wydi]

Oh, dude, don't be miffed. We were asking legitimate questions, since you stated that both games (DAO and DA2) were disappointing to you.
And the only thing that I wanted to know is why. I haven't even implied that you might think of the DA series as bad games, it's just that you haven't explained why they were disappointing.
As I said before, most players tend to either love DAO or DA2 despite of their flaws, but you don't seem to prefer any of them at all.

And I guess that LilyasAvalon just asked that because of your avatar. You wouldn't have a Mass Effect one without liking SciFi and a little bit of shooting, right?

@Amitar: It will never happen.

Modifié par Wydi, 04 août 2011 - 09:53 .

[contextual_entity]

LilyasAvalon wrote...
Dragon Age 2 could've been good. It was an interesting game on it's own to play, but felt more like some sort of cheap rip off produced by a second rate company.

I originally fell in love with Bioware games for story value, it was disappointing to have a game that literally had no interesting or even stable story structure. But I also HATED the way the devs treated us about our reaction to the game, and no, I don't mean the 'wtf? this game sucks B%$#S' reaction, I mean the costructive critisim ones, the ones maturely done. It was just.... insulting.

On an interesting side note, even EA eventually admitted they screwed up with DA2.

It was doubling dissapointing for me, as I prefer personal stories to epic world saving ones, and Hawkes story isn't bad in premise, it's just executed poorly, imo. If you play as a Mage (but not a blood mage) the story makes a great deal more sense, but it's sad that you have to adopt a very narrow path to have the game make sense and even then it's not good.

The problem is that they clearly wanted to drop the players into the action, whereas personal stories need time to setup:
We needed to see Hawke in Lothering as the recruiters came to drag people off to Ostagar.
We needed to spend time with the Sibling that died (Mage Hawke with Bethany dodging the recruiters, Warrior/Rogue Hawke with Carver at Ostagar).
We needed to see what Hawke lost as Lothering was Destroyed and their connection with their family.
We needed to see Hawkes first year in Kirkwall working for the smugglers/mercenaries and their reaction the the newness of the environs.

Instead we got a naff outdoor dungeon with a pointless death sequence and a cutscene to the Deeproads Expedition prelude.

I think EA wanted an RPG it could treat like the the CoD/Madden/Fifa series and put no effort into market research about the majority of RPG gamers.

Modifié par Amitar, 04 août 2011 - 10:01 .

[Savber100]

Wydi wrote...

Oh, dude, don't be miffed. We were asking legitimate questions, since you stated that both games (DAO and DA2) were disappointing to you.
And the only thing that I wanted to know is why. I haven't even implied that you might think of the DA series as bad games, it's just that you haven't explained why they were disappointing.
As I said before, most players tend to either love DAO or DA2 despite of their flaws, but you don't seem to prefer any of them at all.

And I guess that LilyasAvalon just asked that because of your avatar. You wouldn't have a Mass Effect one without liking SciFi and a little bit of shooting, right?

@Amitar: It will never happen.

I never stated that I thought DRAGON AGE:ORIGINS WAS DISAPPOINTING. Where did I say that? 

I said DRAGON AGE 2 WAS DISAPPOINTING. 

Dragon Age: Origins = Savber likes

Dragon Age 2 = Savber disappointed 

That said, a perfect game is either Portal 2 or The Witcher 2. 

But hey.. Planescape Torment HD would work too. 

[Wydi]

 Erm...oops.I've somehow read "Mix that with the first Bioware game that was disappointing (for me) and that disappointment increases exponentially and turns into frustration and anger. " and thought it referred to DAO. Forget what I said..:innocent:

[bEVEsthda]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Amitar wrote...

Dragon Age 2 isn't a bad game. It is, however, a bad game by Bioware standards.

This being the Bioware forums, you can understand how some people could be a bit miffed at that.

Dragon Age 2 could've been good. It was an interesting game on it's own to play, but felt more like some sort of cheap rip off produced by a second rate company.

I originally fell in love with Bioware games for story value, it was disappointing to have a game that literally had no interesting or even stable story structure. But I also HATED the way the devs treated us about our reaction to the game, and no, I don't mean the 'wtf? this game sucks B%$#S' reaction, I mean the costructive critisim ones, the ones maturely done. It was just.... insulting.

On an interesting side note, even EA eventually admitted they screwed up with DA2.

Dragon Age 2 is a very bad game. To some people. I'm probably included there. And stuff "constructive criticism". I played the game to end. I did note a lot of very well written dialogue, as in actually reacting to it "heck, that was clever...". I didn't think anything was wrong with the waves, except that it maybe becomes a tad repetitive. Though I thought them falling down from the sky looked ridiculous, but in terms of what combat mechanics and animations otherwise asked of me to accept, the falling enemies come very far down on my list. I suppose it could have been disappointing with the recycled environments, but by the time I really noted this - "Hey, this is really strange, never saw a game trying to do this to this extent" - my disappointment was already far beyond such trifles.

Fixing the flaws that have emerged as the most prolific from "constructive" will do nothing for this game as far as I'm concerned. And from that personal reference frame, I'm inclined to believe that might be true for some others as well.

I simply dislike the game. It rubs me completely the wrong way in almost everything. I HATE the art direction. I hate the mood of the game. I hate the direction the game has gone for the representation of gameplay mechanics (combat). I hate the spamming of fantastic combat effects for everyone.

Now if I would be "constructive", I'd drone on in something like:
I dislike the dialogue wheel and I disagree with the notion so many has, that choosing the mood of a response, rather than the response, is cool. For me that has zero roleplay value from the very second I realize that the only thing it affects is the return line. From that moment I just see and sense dull mechanics. Irrelevant and redundant mechanics. A cynical and calculated attempt to appeace me to a railroad linear game. There's nothing much wrong with the story arc or concept story itself. But the elements that make up that story feels very indifferent, even trivial. And narrative frame impacts immersion. Because by default everything has already happened. I already know the end, that Hawke is "the Champion". And that character is not trustworthy, why should I trust my play? Why wouldn't I suspect the developers would pull some trick on the story?

But playing Dr. Phil here, none of that is any real help to the developers, when it comes to me personally. We'll never get to the bottom of this that way. Because truthfully it wouldn't have mattered, - if I had liked the game. But I don't. Why not?
- Because it's a f*ing retarded console platformer for retards, with retarded anime esthetics, and when I see that retarded bearded default Hawke on the cover, I just want to knee him in the groin! "Hawke", pfft, even the name gives me a bad taste!
That's the real problem. Hope that helps.

Modifié par bEVEsthda, 04 août 2011 - 01:30 .

[nitefyre410]

bEVEsthda wrote...


- Because it's a f*ing retarded console platformer for retards, with retarded anime esthetics, and when I see that retarded bearded default Hawke on the cover, I just want to knee him in the groin! "Hawke", pfft, even the name gives me a bad taste!
That's the real problem. Hope that helps.

/facepalm 

"because I'm self entitled PC gamer  and bioware has to make EVERYTHING the way I want it ... Waaah" 


You know calling a entire section of the fan base retarded and calling entire meduim in which a story can be told retard  does not make you, clever ,smart or right.  It just makes you ... well to use you favoraite  word... Retard and childish.   

Do yourself and everyone else in  this thread a favor... grow up.

Modifié par nitefyre410, 04 août 2011 - 01:00 .

[bEVEsthda]

nitefyre410 wrote...

bEVEsthda wrote...


- Because it's a f*ing retarded console platformer for retards, with retarded anime esthetics, and when I see that retarded bearded default Hawke on the cover, I just want to knee him in the groin! "Hawke", pfft, even the name gives me a bad taste!
That's the real problem. Hope that helps.

/facepalm 

"because I'm self entitled PC gamer  and bioware has to make EVERYTHING the way I want it ... Waaah" 


You know calling a entire section of the fan base retarded and calling entire meduim in which a story can be told retard  does not make you, clever ,smart or right.  It just makes you ... well to use you favoraite  word... Retard and childish.   

Do yourself and everyone else in  this thread a favor... grow up.

/facepalm
Your comprehensive powers aren't that great, eh?

[bEVEsthda]

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

bEVEsthda wrote...


- Because it's a f*ing retarded console platformer for retards, with retarded anime esthetics, and when I see that retarded bearded default Hawke on the cover, I just want to knee him in the groin! "Hawke", pfft, even the name gives me a bad taste!
That's the real problem. Hope that helps.

*clutches tophat, adjusts monocle* Why, I never.

I can never tell whether comments like these are satirical or earnest.

It's earnest of course, but a detached observation. Maybe slightly self ironical. You have to read it in the context of my post as a whole.
It's really simple. I'll never like a game like DA2. And fixing only the very mechanical flaws won't help. And it's not "self entitled" in any way. It's an observation. And the sole reason I make it, is that it might be true for others who have helped create this impression that DA2 is a bad game. The suspicion that "constructive" won't get to the heart of matters.
There has been a lot of expressions of passions, which simple flaws don't explain.

Modifié par bEVEsthda, 04 août 2011 - 01:57 .

[Olmerto]

bEVEsthda is absolutely on the money here. It's the childish, adolescent approach to the game's art and animation that kills it for me. Many of the other issues could be addressed IF the game appealed to me fundamentally. It does not. It is diametrically opposed to everything I perceived the first game stood for.

[bEVEsthda]

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

bEVEsthda wrote...


It's earnest of course, but a detached observation. Maybe slightly self ironical. You have to read it in the context of my post as a whole.
It's really simple. I'll never like a game like DA2. And fixing only the very mechanical flaws won't help. And it's not "self entitled" in any way. It's an observation. And the sole reason I make it, is that it might be true for others who have helped create this impression that DA2 is a bad game. The suspicion that "constructive" won't get to the heart of matters.
There has been a lot of expressions of passions, which simple flaws don't explain.

It's perfectly possible to express passion without deliberately insulting people and using inflammatory language.

"inflammatory language"? Guilty, but I still say you have to read it in the context.
"deliberately insulting people"? No, I wouldn't do that. If I do then only if I was insulted first and I'd try to be milder about it, and at least make it a bit fair. If people read this in the context, and still feel insulted, then they have misunderstood something. That was never my intention. The subject of my irony is myself. The language I put in my own mouth make me myself the target.

Besides, the smilie as well as the context should have made this clear.

So maybe you should start to question your own agenda?

Modifié par bEVEsthda, 04 août 2011 - 02:40 .

[MonkeyLungs]

I play on console. I like bEVEsthda's posts.

Anyway ....

The ending of DA2 is enough to make the entire game a let down in my opinion. The worst Bioware ending I have played. Usually I really look forward to the endings but DA2 was like a kick to the groin ... I couldn't believe it.

[Gunderic]

bEVEsthda wrote...

Because it's a f*ing retarded console platformer for retards, with retarded anime esthetics, and when I see that retarded bearded default Hawke on the cover, I just want to knee him in the groin! "Hawke", pfft, even the name gives me a bad taste!
That's the real problem. Hope that helps.

I can somewhat echo those sentiments to an extent.

I dislike the whole presentation/marketing of Hawke, or most of the characters themselves; I wouldn't be at all upset if I'd never hear from my companions again, except Carver/Bethany, which I liked.

Kicking the bearded Hawke in the groin is always a good idea, but my personal pet peeve is this one thing called Isabela. There's really no merit to her character -- she's not even pleasing to look at ( quite the opposite, in fact ).

I admit I cringe every time I see one of her pop-culture references / jokes quotoed on these forums. It's -- I'm sorry -- I like to thing I have a sense of humour...  but her writing is atrocious! It's one of the worst characters I've ever seen in a BioWare game to date ( 'apostitutes'? I'd ground my five year old child if I'd ever hear him say that ).

Maybe I'm missing something. Is she meant to be some kind of poster child for the radical feminism that is so oft-seen on the BSN ? Seriously, I'd pay for a 10$ DLC if I could get the option to have Hawke himself execute her ( provided that she actually stays dead for once ) instead of handing her over the Qunari ( and with her eventually escaping ).

Modifié par Gunderic, 04 août 2011 - 02:49 .

[Gunderic]

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

bEVEsthda wrote...


It's earnest of course, but a detached observation. Maybe slightly self ironical. You have to read it in the context of my post as a whole.
It's really simple. I'll never like a game like DA2. And fixing only the very mechanical flaws won't help. And it's not "self entitled" in any way. It's an observation. And the sole reason I make it, is that it might be true for others who have helped create this impression that DA2 is a bad game. The suspicion that "constructive" won't get to the heart of matters.
There has been a lot of expressions of passions, which simple flaws don't explain.

It's perfectly possible to express passion without deliberately insulting people and using inflammatory language.

Well, Dragon Age 2 itself was an inflammatory product.