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[ErichHartmann]

I love world PvP. Ganking is a part of the experience and winning fights against the odds while solo (I tend to be a lone wolf) makes it much more satisfying. I tried battlegrounds in WoW but just couldn't compare to picking fights in contested zones.

[AlanC9]

Dandynermite wrote...
This is the same with every single game on Steam. I connect with steam, if I am, say on holiday, I have no internet connection and cannot play Football Manager 11, Brink, Call of Duty, anything. Does it really matter, the fact you are on Bioware forums shows you have internet connection, and although you may not have internet connection 100% of the time, you don't need to be playing the game 100% of the time. I'd much prefer a system where I can sell in-game items for real money than having an offline mode.

Huh? Steam's Offline mode doesn't work for you?

[MDT1]

As the only realy interesting play in D2 was in closed battle.net this doesn't seem like a restriction to me though of course I would prefer the option to have a dual system like in D2 that also had offline characters.

I really don't see this as DRM in the first place, they are just to lazy to fight cheating in offline mode.

[Cutlass Jack]

Based on this I'll probably be giving D3 a pass. But not like there's any shortage on similar games coming out. Torchlight 2 for example.

[foogoo]

As long as there's no monthly subscription or cheaters then it's buy worthy. Wish there was an offline mode though like in Starcraft 2 that even if your net disconnects, you can still play single player but with achievements disabled.

[aftohsix]

AlanC9 wrote...

How often does your internet go down? The only time mine goes down is when there's a global power failure,and then I can't game anyway.

My internet goes down rarely, as is probably the case for most people.  What it comes down to is I just think this particular form of DRM is pants on the ground stupid.  Simply for the fact that there exists a RARE possiblity for someone to buy your product and be unable to use it.

The way I see it, if someone pays for something they are buying the right to use it whenever they want.  Not necessarily HOWEVER they want but at least use it.

In this case being able to play single player no matter what the status of your internet connection is.

You wouldn't see this in any other type of consumer product so I don't understand why it gets defended when in comes to videogames.

Modifié par aftohsix, 01 août 2011 - 03:31 .

[bleetman]

That sound you hear is my intent to actually buy and play Diablo three dropping like a highly depressing, DRM saddled stone.

Personally, my internet doesn't go down all that much. I am occasionly not in a position to be online, but that's not all that common. However, like any and all tiresome and incresingly restricting DRM that games (or any other product, really) get saddled with, I grow inextricably weary of being treated like a God damned criminal by default, at all times.

Completely banning user made mods isn't exactly doing them any favours either, given how much said mods have contributed to past Blizzard games. I mean, good grief.

Modifié par bleetman, 01 août 2011 - 03:45 .

[AlanC9]

aftohsix wrote...
You wouldn't see this in any other type of consumer product so I don't understand why it gets defended when in comes to videogames.

I'm not sure it's quite true that you don't see this with other products. I get movies and TV through Hulu and Netflix, and some of my music via Pandora. Granted, there are theoretically other paths for getting the music, movies, and some of the TV.

[aftohsix]

I guess I was thinking something more outrageous like a car that won't start without connection to the internet or something. I didn't suggest it because it's such a unrealistic and crappy example.

[Cutlass Jack]

AlanC9 wrote...

aftohsix wrote...
You wouldn't see this in any other type of consumer product so I don't understand why it gets defended when in comes to videogames.

I'm not sure it's quite true that you don't see this with other products. I get movies and TV through Hulu and Netflix, and some of my music via Pandora. Granted, there are theoretically other paths for getting the music, movies, and some of the TV.

Yes and no. If I buy a DVD of a movie at the store, I'm not required to be logged into Netflix continually to play it.

[bleetman]

aftohsix wrote...

I guess I was thinking something more outrageous like a car that won't start without connection to the internet or something. I didn't suggest it because it's such a unrealistic and crappy example.

Not especially. If the engine wouldn't start without an open line to the dealership to verify that you were legitimately driving it and not some wicked deviant, and would automatically seize up if the call ever disconnected, that would be functionally similar. And every bit as infuriatingly ridiculous.

Modifié par bleetman, 01 août 2011 - 04:05 .

[foogoo]

There should be offline mode though. No idea how you'll stop farming bots though.

[Dragoonlordz]

When people buy WoW or any other online only game they don't moan about fact the have to be connected to internet to play it, this is no different (at all) it was never advertised as an offline single player game to best of my knowledge so jumping to assumption thats what would be because previous title was is the fault of the player not the developer. It's an online game and not an offline single player game so this whole can't play offline is a non starter as far as complaints go since was not made to do so in first place in D3. If an FPS or MMO is online only then it is advertised as such, this is exactly the same thing your not buying it because it's an offline game you buy it as an online game because thats what it is.

People may have wanted D3 to be an offline single player game with an additional online mode but it is not that type of game. It is not a single player offline game so has no relevance because they have not advertised it or said it would be single player offline game at all that I have seen. People might complain it's not an mmo but mmos aren't the only genre that should or could be online only 'require internet to play' type of game that can exist. It has online group and team play, it has an online econemy, it has the option of playing solo in that online style but that does not make it a single player offline game just because you can play 'alone' when online.

I do wonder about how they will combat bots and farmers but if they can manage to control that then it's fine. Anyways said what I think of it, I will buy it since I'm sure will be a fun game and although connected to net to play it thats no different to me than logging in to play WoW in the past only I won't have to pay a subscription fee so the what 13mil? people who play WoW would also be able to play D3 in exactly the same manner > Log in and play.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 01 août 2011 - 04:58 .

[foogoo]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

When people buy WoW or any other online only game they don't moan about fact the have to be connected to internet to play it, this is no different (at all) it was never advertised as an offline single player game to best of my knowledge so jumping to assumption thats what would be because previous title was is the fault of the player not the developer. It's an online game and not an offline single player game so this whole can't play offline is a non starter as far as complaints go since was not made to do so in first place in D3. If an FPS or MMO is online only then it is advertised as such, this is exactly the same thing your not buying it because it's an offline game you buy it as an online game because thats what it is.

People may have wanted D3 to be an offline single player game with an additional online mode but it is not that type of game. It is not a single player offline game so has no relevance because they have not advertised it or said it would be single player offline game at all that I have seen. People might complain it's not an mmo but mmos aren't the only genre that should or could be online only 'require internet to play' type of game that can exist. It has online group and team play, it has an online econemy, it has the option of playing solo in that online style but that does not make it a single player offline game just because you can play 'alone' when online.

I do wonder about how they will combat bots and farmers but if they can manage to control that then it's fine. Anyways said what I think of it, I will buy it since I'm sure will be a fun game and although connected to net to play it thats no different to me than logging in to play WoW in the past only I won't have to pay a subscription fee so the what 13mil? people who play WoW would also be able to play D3 in exactly the same manner > Log in and play.

Yeah this was what I was thinking as well. It's because of the multiplayer aspect hence the DRM, unlike SP bioware games. Although why you can't play single player offline is a bit odd.

[Dragoonlordz]

foogoo wrote...

Yeah this was what I was thinking as well. It's because of the multiplayer aspect hence the DRM, unlike SP bioware games. Although why you can't play single player offline is a bit odd.

In the end it's a system specification no different to RAM or CPU or Harddisk space even OS. In that you don't buy a game for your laptop if you can't play it due to your system not being up to spec, if your system doesn't have the internet then you don't meet the spec to play this much like any other example. Upgrade your ISP much like upgrade your CPU if doesn't meet specs. As for wi-fi, well you can't play your console if there isn't a monitor or TV in room, you can't go swimming if theres no water and so on. The solution wait till get home, friends or known wi-fi spot then play it or go to swimming pool to swim etc. Honestly don't remember seeing anyone moan about this when WoW was released and it makes no difference that WoW is an MMO, there is no law stating that only MMOs need to log in to play especially since Blizzard have never said that D3 was a single player offline game to begin with.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 01 août 2011 - 05:27 .

[akselic]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

 there is no law stating that only MMOs need to log in to play especially since Blizzard have never said that D3 was a single player offline game to begin with.

You are right but is it wrong to expect or want a single player game when the previous games in the series had them and multiplayer was just on top of that? You aren't looking at the other point of view at all my friend

[Lord Phoebus]

I'm glad I have no interest in Diablo 3. If you're playing single player who cares if you cheat, you're not ruining anyone elses fun, as long as they keep single player and multiplayer characters separate (e.g. single player characters client side and mutiplayer server side). What happens if your connection goes down and you haven't saved in a while? If you're playing multiplayer, I'm not sure this does anything more to discourage cheating than any other MMO does. This, together with the auction house, makes it look like Blizzard isn't interested in players who want to play the game for fun, they're only interested in the compulsive and competitve gamers.

[Dragoonlordz]

akselic wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

 there is no law stating that only MMOs need to log in to play especially since Blizzard have never said that D3 was a single player offline game to begin with.

You are right but is it wrong to expect or want a single player game when the previous games in the series had them and multiplayer was just on top of that? You aren't looking at the other point of view at all my friend

Nah I get why people wanted single player offline game as I too would love that but in the end it is what it is and being online or offline won't impact my enjoyment of it in fact might even make it much more fun I'm thinking. Given it will have elements that made WoW so successful such as Auction House (regulated) so no dodgy black market scamming through ebay plus no need to actually buy if don't wish too can farm own items or use ingame currency. The teaming up with friends to do things much like forming groups (style) of team work to do things that are hard for solo play but still able to play solo even if online.

I wouldn't buy a game my machine wouldn't play so much like hardware specs, internet connection spec is the same thing to me which means something for some that may require an upgrade to hardware or in this case ISP. I had to upgrade my entire PC just to play TW2 which is an offline game I see no reason why wouldnt upgrade ISP which would of been cheaper if wished to play D3. As for playing while at work maybe should do work play when get home if playing on laptop, plus you wouldn't whip out your laptop in middle of park etc to play because would endup with it stolen. If out for meal at cafe and it has no internet connection then wait till get home or around friends, it's not a big deal imho. Sometimes net connections drop out but its very rare they dont come back after few minutes or hours so thats not big issue.

I dunno I think some people making mountains out of molehills but they entitled to do so just think that it's a knee jerk reaction tbh. The game will be a huge success as most people have internet connections and you wouldn't buy something couldn't play to begin with instead buy something else or upgrade to be able to play.

While I was surprised they using WoW style online to play that Blizzard currently uses for their MMO, it has had no effect on my decision to buy and enjoy the game once out. But maybe I'm special.

[akselic]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I dunno I think some people making mountains out of molehills but they entitled to do so just think that it's a knee jerk reaction tbh. The game will be a huge success as most people have internet connections and you wouldn't buy something couldn't play to begin with instead buy something else or upgrade to be able to play.

While I was surprised they using WoW style online to play that Blizzard currently uses for their MMO, it has had no effect on my decision to buy and enjoy the game once out. But maybe I'm special.

Hehe I think that applies to pretty much any game series where they change something especially if previous games have been popular. Most people still end up liking the games with the changes I also have no doupt D3 is going to be a huge success, if only for the reason that a huge amount of players have been waiting for something like that since D2 and most copycat games fail in one way or another.

I've never been a huge fan of online games, I like games where I can take my time while taking a smoke, getting coffee and maybe taking a break now and then. Most types of online play (aside from short map fps games) don't allow this kind of behavior because it means others have to wait for you. But like I mentioned a few times, I respect your view and in the end it's just a matter of personal taste. My opinion might be more towards no, but that doesn't make it wrong for others, such as yourself, to enjoy it.

[Volus Warlord]

Wasn't planning on getting it anyway.

[blothulfur]

Since my internet connection goes down more regularly than a ten dollar pro I don't see much point in buying this, pity I bought the last two and hellfire and lord of destruction and enjoyed a good few scraps on battlenet still I must have pissed blizzard off in some manner to thus not be trusted.

I really was getting into all the extrapolations on Metzens lore as well, never mind plenty more fish in the sea.

[SOLID_EVEREST]

Never even once glanced at the Diablo series. I was kind of eyeballing Diablo: 3, but if they do go forward with that, I'm not even going to glance at it anymore. Sounds like a bunch of crap that any game company would do something like that. My internet, although pretty fast, goes down a fair amount of times because I live pretty far from the city.

[Fishy]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

When people buy WoW or any other online only game they don't moan about fact the have to be connected to internet to play it, this is no different (at all) it was never advertised as an offline single player game to best of my knowledge so jumping to assumption thats what would be because previous title was is the fault of the player not the developer. It's an online game and not an offline single player game so this whole can't play offline is a non starter as far as complaints go since was not made to do so in first place in D3. If an FPS or MMO is online only then it is advertised as such, this is exactly the same thing your not buying it because it's an offline game you buy it as an online game because thats what it is.

People may have wanted D3 to be an offline single player game with an additional online mode but it is not that type of game. It is not a single player offline game so has no relevance because they have not advertised it or said it would be single player offline game at all that I have seen. People might complain it's not an mmo but mmos aren't the only genre that should or could be online only 'require internet to play' type of game that can exist. It has online group and team play, it has an online econemy, it has the option of playing solo in that online style but that does not make it a single player offline game just because you can play 'alone' when online.

I do wonder about how they will combat bots and farmers but if they can manage to control that then it's fine. Anyways said what I think of it, I will buy it since I'm sure will be a fun game and although connected to net to play it thats no different to me than logging in to play WoW in the past only I won't have to pay a subscription fee so the what 13mil? people who play WoW would also be able to play D3 in exactly the same manner > Log in and play.

D3 ain't really a MMORPG (massive multiplayer online role playting game) . It's a game offering a free multiplayer service with a campaign that can be played with more than 2 player. You can do everything solo in diablo 3.

It's will probably take a short amount of time before the game is cracked.Do you really want everything you do tracked by those corporation? Poop hole corporation should keep track of your anus aize also .. I mean it's their poop hole after all. Personnaly i think what you purchase should be yours  . With video game/software you're starting to own  nothing because they lock everything or start to put tons of crappy restriction or DRM . Because of Pirates?
Yeah let's blame the pirates for what they do . Am i the only one seing something wrong?

If you lose your CD key they won't send you a new one but wil lcall you a thief if you crack YOUR SOFTWARE that you PURCHASED.

I can understand they want to protect their intelectual property . I`m not making copy . I want full access to what i purchased.

Modifié par Suprez30, 01 août 2011 - 09:27 .

[Nizzemancer]

probably same system as SC2, Online activation, then you can only earn achievments while online. Unless they need it for verification so people don't cheat and then sell items in the new auction house feature.

[Chromie]

Meh I remember my internet not working once and that was when I moved in to my current house. I may **** and moan but I'm still getting it and I bet a lot of other people will too. I already deal with it in Starcraft 2.