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[whykikyouwhy]

@Raya Aroukii - That's a possibility. Personally though, I'm leaning more toward mankind cursing itself inadvertantly than anyone projecting an actual curse. Hubris, best laid plans of mice & men, and all that. When man has a god complex, things tend to go awry, often without the participation of any outside force/deity.

But that's just my stance on it. I could be completely wrong. Gods can be testy and all.

[Raya Aroukii]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

@Raya Aroukii - That's a possibility. Personally though, I'm leaning more toward mankind cursing itself inadvertantly than anyone projecting an actual curse. Hubris, best laid plans of mice & men, and all that. When man has a god complex, things tend to go awry, often without the participation of any outside force/deity.

But that's just my stance on it. I could be completely wrong. Gods can be testy and all.

Or Flemeth could've started the blights for her own amusement.

[whykikyouwhy]

I would nev...I mean, Flemeth would never do that.

In all seriousness, I don't know that it would serve her in any way to do so. She seems to be concerned with self-preservation. A Blight might make that either difficult, or tedious.

[TEWR]

Old God babies. That was why she sent Morrigan with the Warden.


I don't think she counted on Morrigan taking the baby and running though.

[Raya Aroukii]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

I would nev...I mean, Flemeth would never do that.

In all seriousness, I don't know that it would serve her in any way to do so. She seems to be concerned with self-preservation. A Blight might make that either difficult, or tedious.

I was just joking, lol. Maybe something along the lines of what happened in the legend about her happened. She was wronged so gravely by someone and in rage, caused the blights without thinking of how it would affect her.

Also, the darkspawn stayed away from her hut in the Korcari Wilds, either it truly was her magic shielding her from them, or they had a reason to be afraid of her.

Modifié par Raya Aroukii, 01 août 2011 - 07:16 .

[whykikyouwhy]

@Raya Aroukii - I'm of the opinion that she is aiding heroes and placing them, like chess pieces, into certain circumstances or positions (the warden, Hawke, etc). So maybe if she had a hand in the Blight, she is staging things to make amends somehow. Or to fight an even bigger bad down the line.

[Raya Aroukii]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

@Raya Aroukii - I'm of the opinion that she is aiding heroes and placing them, like chess pieces, into certain circumstances or positions (the warden, Hawke, etc). So maybe if she had a hand in the Blight, she is staging things to make amends somehow. Or to fight an even bigger bad down the line.

Na, she's not aiding heroes, she's kidnapping them for her hero dungeon. So far, every hero that has disappeared under mysterious circumstances is her fault...Hafter, Calenhad, Maric, the Warden, Hawke, who knows how many others... 


But, I do agree with you. I think she remains an enigma, because if we were to learn the truth about her, it would somehow prevent her from accomplishing her goals.

[Mr.House]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Old God babies. That was why she sent Morrigan with the Warden.


I don't think she counted on Morrigan taking the baby and running though.

Which is why she sent the Warden to kill Flemeth and get her book.:innocent:

[Raya Aroukii]

Mr.House wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Old God babies. That was why she sent Morrigan with the Warden.


I don't think she counted on Morrigan taking the baby and running though.

Which is why she sent the Warden to kill Flemeth and get her book.:innocent:

Totally unrelated to the topic, but, could you please explain what's happening in your avatar?

[Mr.House]

Raya Aroukii wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Old God babies. That was why she sent Morrigan with the Warden.


I don't think she counted on Morrigan taking the baby and running though.

Which is why she sent the Warden to kill Flemeth and get her book.:innocent:

Totally unrelated to the topic, but, could you please explain what's happening in your avatar?

My Warden getting slapped.

[jlb524]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I don't think she counted on Morrigan taking the baby and running though.

I got the impression that Flemeth did count on that happening.  She knows her Morrigan XD

[MrProliferation]

I think it's interesting how much this intersects with the elven mythology. What if what Corypheus thought was calling him was actually Fen'Harel, the elven trickster God? Or, conversely, if Fen'Harel and Dumat are the same thing going by different names? You can't really accept the Chantry's terms of the debate when there are competing mythologies that can also partially explain it. It may be that there never was a Gold City, but some force used that myth in order to entice something/someone to come into the Fade and free it. I don't think one can accept that the Gold City or Dumat are what they say they are. It's quite possible that whatever force was calling to the Magisters was the very force imprisoned in the "Gold City" and wanted to escape.

We know that the magisters were goaded on by some sort of force, a Calling, and that that Calling was the same one that guides the Darkspawn (and that Corypheus has learned how to channel). The Architect's big accomplishment was learning how to silence it. I think that's going to play out in a major way. If Corypheus ends up being the "big bad" of another DA game, I think whether you spared the Architect or not is going to influence how/what you are able to use to fight him.

Corypheus can control not just Darkspawn, but also Gray Wardens. That's a nightmare, right there. I think the Gray Wardens are going to have a rough time of it with that on their hands. The question will be what Corypheus' objectives are with that kind of power. I don't think Corypheus will push for a Blight. It'll be something more selfish than that, and whether Corypheus is in thrall to the force he released and is a conduit of it or is more of an independent figure.

By the way, did anyone else get the same chill I got from seeing Corypheus look at Larius right before you kill him, and then see Larius suddenly convulse in the background right as Corypheus is dying and then stand up straight?

Modifié par MrProliferation, 01 août 2011 - 07:36 .

[TEWR]

Well, she knew Morrigan was going to try to kill her.


I don't know if she knew she'd get an Eluvian to work.

[whykikyouwhy]

And hence, her security deposit a la Sundermount-bound amulet.

[TEWR]

MrProliferation wrote...

I think it's interesting how much this intersects with the elven mythology. What if what Corypheus thought was calling him was actually Fen'Harel, the elven trickster God? Or, conversely, if Fen'Harel and Dumat are the same thing going by different names? You can't really accept the Chantry's terms of the debate when there are competing mythologies that can also partially explain it. It may be that there never was a Gold City, but some force used that myth in order to entice something/someone to come into the Fade and free it. I don't think one can accept that the Gold City or Dumat are what they say they are. It's quite possible that whatever force was calling to the Magisters was the very force imprisoned in the "Gold City" and wanted to escape.

I'm inclined to think that Fen'Harel imitated Dumat and created an illusion of a Golden City over top of the actual black city for the Magisters, telling them they need to go there.

We know that the magisters were goaded on by some sort of force, a Calling, and that that Calling was the same one that guides the Darkspawn (and that Corypheus has learned how to channel). The Architect's big accomplishment was learning how to silence it. I think that's going to play out in a major way. If Corypheus ends up being the "big bad" of another DA game, I think whether you spared the Architect or not is going to influence how/what you are able to use to fight him.

Corypheus can control not just Darkspawn, but also Gray Wardens. That's a nightmare, right there. I think the Gray Wardens are going to have a rough time of it with that on their hands. The question will be what Corypheus' objectives are with that kind of power. I don't think Corypheus will push for a Blight. It'll be something more selfish than that, and whether Corypheus is in thrall to the force he released and is a conduit of it or is more of an independent figure.

That would be awesome if the Architect and his Disciples helped to defeat Corypheus and his minions, and helped the Wardens resist heeding Corypheus' call.

By the way, did anyone else get the same chill I got from seeing Corypheus look at Larius right before you kill him, and then see Larius suddenly convulse in the background right as Corypheus is dying and then stand up straight?

I've only played Legacy once, and I had to see these things mentioned on the forums. I never noticed the staring at Larius or the convulsions. I did however notice Larius acting strange and I did think he was possessed by Corypheus (standing upright, speaking very clearly).

[Quill74Pen]

This is an interesting discussion, but all I can add to it is this: I think *all* of the races of Thedas and the planet overall — human, elven, dwarven, Qunari, etc. — are being played for fools by entities who see them as nothing more than pawns in some cosmic game of chess.

It would be very gratifying to see these entities humbled once and for all.

Quill74Pen

[Mr.House]

Cory is not dead, he either has a powerful warrior or a powerful mage as his host and will wreak havoc later. Remember, he's living proof of the origin of the darkspawn and some of the inacuries in the Chantries teachings.

[jlb524]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I don't know if she knew she'd get an Eluvian to work.

I suspect that Morrigan heard about eluvians from Flemeth (where else would she have heard about them?) and there was possibly some info on them contained in Flemeth's true grimoire.  IIRC, Morrigan needed the Dalish elf book for the scrying ritual so she could find one.

I think it's a set-up.

[TEWR]

That's what I've been thinking. I just don't think Flemeth thought Morrigan would get one working.

And the book Morrigan took just had information on the Eluvians. The Scrying ritual is what Finn did to find out where Morrigan went.

Though I guess Morrigan had to do a scrying to know where an Eluvian was, so she must've stopped by the ruins and grabbed a shard.

[Giltspur]

Speaking of Eluvians and Flemeth, I was replaying DAO recently and asking Leliana about Flemeth legends. She mentioned that mothers tell their daughters that if they look in the mirror too long Flemeth will get them. It reminded me of the demon trying to get Merrill through the Eluvian. It also caused me to think of the woman known for her beauty that was possessed by a demon. Which then reminded of that scene on Sundermount with Flemeth acting like she could see the path Merrill was on and seeming to caution her.

Modifié par Giltspur, 01 août 2011 - 08:00 .

[Mr.House]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

That's what I've been thinking. I just don't think Flemeth thought Morrigan would get one working.

And the book Morrigan took just had information on the Eluvians. The Scrying ritual is what Finn did to find out where Morrigan went.

Though I guess Morrigan had to do a scrying to know where an Eluvian was, so she must've stopped by the ruins and grabbed a shard.

Or the book had some locations of where the Eluvians where.

[TEWR]

Hmmm.... it's possible. The elves didn't know what an Eluvian was, as it was old elvish. It's possible the entire book was old elvish.


But I doubt it myself.

[Matriach]

Kinda off-topic, but all this talk about Morrigan recreating the eluvian made me want to ask about this...Is Morrigan a blood mage or just a really powerful apostate?